A Personal Reflection on the Trinity and Salvation

[dwight92070]

I wasn't asking you if you buy it or not. I was telling you how it is.

Here's a little homework assignment for you to prove my point. Find even one reference to God being a they or them and maybe your assertions will have some credibility. Good luck.

Would you accept an "Us" and "Our"? Genesis 1:26 and Genesis 11:7

No, of course you wouldn't because destroys your whole argument.

Next fallacy.

 

[dwight92070]

You're reviling Jesus Christ by turning him into an idol. I am sure he is appalled and will judge you for it. Jesus Christ taught that the only true God is the Father,.

Let's see now. Jesus' own disciples worshiped Him, the two Mary's worshiped Him. Mat.28:9; the blind man worshiped Him John 9:38; the wise men worshiped Him; one of the ten lepers worshiped Him; Thomas worshiped Him; in fact every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea and the four living creatures, and the twenty-four elders and millions upon millions of angels WORSHIPED HIM - and yet you say WE are turning him into an idol!?

What folly! The truth is that YOU are denying Him what is rightfully His - worship and praise, and glory and honor and power and dominion and blessing!!!

 

[Rory Wilson]

You're reviling Jesus Christ by turning him into an idol. I am sure he is appalled and will judge you for it. Jesus Christ taught that the only true God is the Father,.

And Jesus and God are One. "I and the Father are one" is found in John 10:30. This statement by Jesus is a key declaration of his unity with God

 

[civic]

And Jesus and God are One. "I and the Father are one" is found in John 10:30. This statement by Jesus is a key declaration of his unity with God

The Same God, different Persons. This is where both Unitarians and Oneness error.

 

[Rory Wilson]

The Same God, different Persons. This is where both Unitarians and Oneness error.

Right I can see that, Unitarianism and Oneness theology are distinct but both reject the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. Unitarianism typically sees God as one person and Jesus as a human Messiah who was granted divine attributes, but not as a co-equal, co-eternal, distinct person of God.

Oneness theology, a form of modalism, goes further by viewing Jesus as the single person of God who appeared in different "modes" or "roles" as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, an error from a trinitarian perspective because it denies the distinct personhood of the Son.

 

[Runningman]

Would you accept an "Us" and "Our"? Genesis 1:26 and Genesis 11:7

No, of course you wouldn't because destroys your whole argument.

Next fallacy.

God said "Let us make man in our image" but who are the us and our? They are never identified as a trinity. Thereafter, no one said God is a they or them. The "us" wouldn't make sense to be a trinity.

 

[Runningman]

Let's see now. Jesus' own disciples worshiped Him, the two Mary's worshiped Him. Mat.28:9; the blind man worshiped Him John 9:38; the wise men worshiped Him; one of the ten lepers worshiped Him; Thomas worshiped Him; in fact every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea and the four living creatures, and the twenty-four elders and millions upon millions of angels WORSHIPED HIM - and yet you say WE are turning him into an idol!?

What folly! The truth is that YOU are denying Him what is rightfully His - worship and praise, and glory and honor and power and dominion and blessing!!!

Bowing to someone doesn't suggest idol worship and they weren't worshipping Jesus as God. They were bowing to Jesus because they considered him to be the Son of God and a king.

Here's the way Jesus taught people to worship. Kindly note, he never taught anyone to worship himself or a trinity.

John 4
23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”

 

[Runningman]

And Jesus and God are One. "I and the Father are one" is found in John 10:30. This statement by Jesus is a key declaration of his unity with God

God and the disciples are One.

John 17
21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one—

 

[dwight92070]

I no longer hold to the doctrine of the Trinity. For a time, I believed it was essential—something that had to be accepted without question. But through study, prayer, and reflection, I stepped away from that framework. Too often, I’ve seen division and hostility arise over this doctrine, and I believe such conflict misses the heart of the gospel.


That said, I have deep love and respect for those who affirm the Trinity. My disagreement isn’t a rejection of them—it’s a call to refocus. Because ultimately, salvation doesn’t come through doctrinal precision. It comes through faith in Yeshua, the one whom God has sent.


Jesus said, “This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent” (John 17:3). The emphasis is clear: knowing the Father and believing in the Son is the foundation of eternal life.


Paul echoes this in Romans: “If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9). No creed or theological system can replace that simple, powerful truth.


So while doctrines may vary, and interpretations may differ, let us not forget: it is Yeshua who saves. Not our systems. Not our labels. Just Him.

So if our labels and systems do not save, then why did you even have to tell us your current status regarding the Trinity? Why even bring that up?

 

[dwight92070]

Bowing to someone doesn't suggest idol worship and they weren't worshipping Jesus as God. They were bowing to Jesus because they considered him to be the Son of God and a king.

Poppycock! Then why did Peter tell Cornelius to "Get up", when Cornelius bowed down to him? Peter said, "I too am just a man."
Why did the angel in Revelation tell John, when he was worshiping at the angel's feet, "Do NOT DO THAT ... WORSHIP GOD." Revelation 19:10 and 22:9.

Here's the way Jesus taught people to worship. Kindly note, he never taught anyone to worship himself or a trinity.

He never refused worship, did He? He said, "If these remain silent, even the rocks will cry out.", acknowledging that He WAS WORTHY OF WORSHIP.

John 4
23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”

Which is why so many in the New Testament did worship Jesus along with the Father.

 

[Runningman]

Poppycock! Then why did Peter tell Cornelius to "Get up", when Cornelius bowed down to him? Peter said, "I too am just a man."
Why did the angel in Revelation tell John, when he was worshiping at the angel's feet, "Do NOT DO THAT ... WORSHIP GOD." Revelation 19:10 and 22:9.

He never refused worship, did He? He said, "If these remain silent, even the rocks will cry out.", acknowledging that He WAS WORTHY OF WORSHIP.


Which is why so many in the New Testament did worship Jesus along with the Father.

So any time someone in the Bible is worshipped it means they are bowing to God? Abraham bowed to people, Nathan bowed, many bowed. Bowing can be called worship, but it doesn't infer deity. Why did you think they were worshipping Jesus as God? Which verse says that and why do you reject Jesus' explicit teaching about how the true worshippers worship the Father in spirit and truth? Physical bowing isn't spirit and truth worship.

John 4
23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”