A Personal Reflection on the Trinity and Salvation

[TomL]

Not according to Scripture. If you have a trinity god it's called idolatry.

There is only one God, the Father, according to Scripture.

Um it is faith in Jesus that saves

John 3:16

For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

Eph 2:8–9

For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast.

Rom 10:9–10

that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.

Acts 16:31

And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”

Mark 16:16

The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

1 John 5:13

These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

John 5:24

Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

1 Peter 1:3–5

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 into an inheritance imperishable and undefiled and unfading, reserved in heaven for you 5 who are being protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time,

Rom 3:22–24

that is, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. For there is no distinction, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by his grace, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,

Gal 2:16

but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

John 11:25–26

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me, even if he dies, will live, and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die forever. Do you believe this?”

2 Thess 2:13

But we ought to give thanks to God always concerning you, brothers dearly loved by the Lord, because God has chosen you as first fruits for salvation by the sanctification of the Spirit and faith in the truth,

Acts 13:39

by this one everyone who believes is justified!

Rom 4:5

But to the one who does not work, but who believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited for righteousness,

1 Cor 15:1–2

Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel which I proclaimed to you, which you have also received, in which you also stand, by which you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the message I proclaimed to you, unless you believed to no purpose.

Eph 1:13–14

in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the down payment of our inheritance, until the redemption of the possession, to the praise of his glory.

2 Tim 3:15

and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

John 20:31

but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Acts 15:11

But we believe we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus in the same way those also are.”

John 6:47

Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes has eternal life.

Romans 10:9


that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

John 6:40

For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks at the Son and believes in him would have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

Gal 3:22

But the scripture imprisoned all under sin, in order that the promise could be given by faith in Jesus Christ to those who believe.

Acts 13:38–39

“Therefore let it be known to you, men and brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, and from all the things from which you were not able to be justified by the law of Moses, 39 by this one everyone who believes is justified!

Acts 10:43

To this one all the prophets testify, that through his name everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins.”

Acts 26:18

to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a share among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’

Romans 3:23–25

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified as a gift by his grace, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God made publicly available as the mercy seat through faith in his blood, for a demonstration of his righteousness, because of the passing over of previously committed sins,

Rom 5:1

Therefore, because we have been declared righteous by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

 

[civic]

Um it is faith in Jesus that saves

John 3:16

For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

Eph 2:8–9

For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast.

Rom 10:9–10

that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.

Acts 16:31

And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”

Mark 16:16

The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

1 John 5:13

These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

John 5:24

Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

1 Peter 1:3–5

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 into an inheritance imperishable and undefiled and unfading, reserved in heaven for you 5 who are being protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time,

Rom 3:22–24

that is, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. For there is no distinction, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by his grace, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,

Gal 2:16

but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

John 11:25–26

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me, even if he dies, will live, and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die forever. Do you believe this?”

2 Thess 2:13

But we ought to give thanks to God always concerning you, brothers dearly loved by the Lord, because God has chosen you as first fruits for salvation by the sanctification of the Spirit and faith in the truth,

Acts 13:39

by this one everyone who believes is justified!

Rom 4:5

But to the one who does not work, but who believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited for righteousness,

1 Cor 15:1–2

Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel which I proclaimed to you, which you have also received, in which you also stand, by which you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the message I proclaimed to you, unless you believed to no purpose.

Eph 1:13–14

in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the down payment of our inheritance, until the redemption of the possession, to the praise of his glory.

2 Tim 3:15

and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

John 20:31

but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Acts 15:11

But we believe we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus in the same way those also are.”

John 6:47

Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes has eternal life.

Romans 10:9


that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

John 6:40

For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks at the Son and believes in him would have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

Gal 3:22

But the scripture imprisoned all under sin, in order that the promise could be given by faith in Jesus Christ to those who believe.

Acts 13:38–39

“Therefore let it be known to you, men and brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, and from all the things from which you were not able to be justified by the law of Moses, 39 by this one everyone who believes is justified!

Acts 10:43

To this one all the prophets testify, that through his name everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins.”

Acts 26:18

to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a share among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’

Romans 3:23–25

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified as a gift by his grace, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God made publicly available as the mercy seat through faith in his blood, for a demonstration of his righteousness, because of the passing over of previously committed sins,

Rom 5:1

Therefore, because we have been declared righteous by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Yep faith in the Father does not save.

 

[FreeInChrist]

No but they are not there yet.

But they will be.

 

[TomL]

But they will be.

OK

 

[TomL]

Yep faith in the Father does not save.

Imagine being saved by an ordinary man rather than God.

 

[civic]

Imagine being saved by an ordinary man rather than God.

It’s just the opposite of what the Bible teaches yet they have taken satans bait, hook line and sinker

 

[Hosanna]

If you believe in the Trinity you know how to interpret God's word.

To think we will ever fully understand the Trinity is to make the mistake of thinking God is fully understandable. God is infinite. He is beyond us. Trying to “fully understand” God is like a 2-year-old trying to “fully understand” the complexities of relationships, marriage, and parenting!

The word Trinity means three-in-one. No, the word Trinity does not appear in the Bible. But that doesn’t mean the concept isn’t clearly taught. The early church absolutely believed – and taught – the belief in a God who was three-in-one.

The Bible is full of Scripture speaking of there being only one God, as well as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all being God. That’s where the confusion comes from.

 

[mikesw]

Imagine being saved by an ordinary man rather than God.

Interesting point. You had quoted John 3:16
For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

Imagine how pretentious it would be for someone who is only as a creation in the world claiming that that others just have to believe in a man rather than in God. It is when men claim to be the Messiah instead of the divine Son that they demonstrate the anti-Christ spirit and the highest arrogance and self-exaltation.

 

[TomL]

Interesting point. You had quoted John 3:16
For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

Imagine how pretentious it would be for someone who is only as a creation in the world claiming that that others just have to believe in a man rather than in God. It is when men claim to be the Messiah instead of the divine Son that they demonstrate the anti-Christ spirit and the highest arrogance and self-exaltation.

Yep

 

[mikesw]

Yep

There is enough insight into the Triune God to put into a book.

 

[Jay]

"The Trinity is the foundational Christian belief that God is one Being who exists in three Persons.”

 

[Runningman]

Yep faith in the Father does not save.

Scripture teaches that the Father saved Jesus repeatedly throughout the Bible. He resurrected Jesus and saved him.

Hebrews 5
7During the days of Jesus’ earthly life, He offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the One who could save Him from death, and He was heard because of His reverence.

 

[Runningman]

If you believe in the Trinity you know how to interpret God's word.

To think we will ever fully understand the Trinity is to make the mistake of thinking God is fully understandable. God is infinite. He is beyond us. Trying to “fully understand” God is like a 2-year-old trying to “fully understand” the complexities of relationships, marriage, and parenting!

The word Trinity means three-in-one. No, the word Trinity does not appear in the Bible. But that doesn’t mean the concept isn’t clearly taught. The early church absolutely believed – and taught – the belief in a God who was three-in-one.

The Bible is full of Scripture speaking of there being only one God, as well as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all being God. That’s where the confusion comes from.

Scientologists and Mormons say the same thing. The difference between trinitarians and Unitarians is that we don't interpret the Bible. We read what the Bible says and believe it in accordance with God is never described as a trinity in all of Scripture.

 

[Runningman]

"The Trinity is the foundational Christian belief that God is one Being who exists in three Persons.”

Trintiarianism is not Christianity because Christianity is what Jesus taught. You would have to be in line with his teachings to lay claim to being Christian.

 

[Runningman]

Imagine being saved by an ordinary man rather than God.

Ah, so you don't understand sin sacrifices. Animal sacrifices were being used for the forgiveness of sins. How much more can a sinless man forgive sins if animal sacrifices were doing it?

You trinitarians take a lot of heat for rejecting the sin sacrifice of Jesus. Tell me, do you believe the immortal God died for your sins or a mortal man?

 

[Jay]

Trintiarianism is not Christianity because Christianity is what Jesus taught. You would have to be in line with his teachings to lay claim to being Christian.

I sure I'm a Christian and in line with all that Gods word tell us.

 

[Jay]

Scientologists and Mormons say the same thing. The difference between trinitarians and Unitarians is that we don't interpret the Bible. We read what the Bible says and believe it in accordance with God is never described as a trinity in all of Scripture.

So in reality your saying Unitarians misinterpret the bible. Thanks for the heads up.

Actual fact, that even the expressions that Jesus used indicate His deity. One of the most important of these was, “But I say to you.”

This was introduced in connection with a quotation from the Old Testament Scriptures. In effect, He was saying, “Moses said that, but I say this to you.” He was implicitly claiming the right or authority to supplement what they had learned from Moses, the one they regarded as having been God’s special spokesperson.

Take a look at the way Jesus reported these statements. He did not use the customary prophetic introduction, “The Word of the Lord came to me, saying …” Rather, he simply said, “I say to you.” He did not claim to be reporting the message God had revealed to him. He was claiming that his words were God’s words.

That's Right...Jesus is God.

 

[TomL]

Ah, so you don't understand sin sacrifices. Animal sacrifices were being used for the forgiveness of sins. How much more can a sinless man forgive sins if animal sacrifices were doing it?

You trinitarians take a lot of heat for rejecting the sin sacrifice of Jesus. Tell me, do you believe the immortal God died for your sins or a mortal man?

Newsflash they were not.

They were temporary

And no, it is not the immortality that died but the humanity in the immortal God-man

Do you really imagine a man might have eternal life to give to all however?

That the death of a single ordinary man might be worth the remission of sin of all mankind?

 

[Hosanna]

Scientologists and Mormons say the same thing. The difference between trinitarians and Unitarians is that we don't interpret the Bible. We read what the Bible says and believe it in accordance with God is never described as a trinity in all of Scripture.

So you study Scientologists and Mormons and Unitarians then give advice on how to study the Bible? Good luck with that.

Read this...
In Genesis 1:1, the plural noun “Elohim” (“God”) is joined with the singular verb “created”: “In the beginning, [Elohim] created the heavens and the earth.” The pattern is repeated in Genesis 1:27: “So [Elohim] created man in his own image, in the image of [Elohim] he created him; male and female he created them.”

It's in the video by Nabeel Qureshi above. Genesis 1:1 provides the first and fundamental building block of trinitarian theology.