󠅤 The Lord sent Jesus Christ

Runningman · Saturday at 5:24 PM

The below passage says the Lord sent Jesus.

My questions are simple. Since Jesus is Lord and the Lord sent Jesus then do you agree that the Father is the Lord? Is there one Lord, two Lords, and can there be two Lords who co-exist without being the same Lord? Anyone here believe there is a hierarchy?

Acts 3 (KJV)
19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Fred · Saturday at 5:50 PM

Runningman said:
Anyone here believe there is a hierarchy?

In function, not in being.

The expression 'from the presence of the Lord' (ἀπὸ προσώπου τοῦ κυρίου) reads equally in reference to the Father and to the Son.

Acts 3:19
Repent ye therefore, and return, that your sins may be blotted out, in order that times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
2 Thessalonians 1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His might.

Runningman · Saturday at 6:04 PM

Fred said:
In function, not in being.

The expression 'from the presence of the Lord' (ἀπὸ προσώπου τοῦ κυρίου) reads equally in reference to the Father and to the Son.

Acts 3:19
Repent ye therefore, and return, that your sins may be blotted out, in order that times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
2 Thessalonians 1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His might.

It says the Lord sent Jesus. What does that mean?

Fred · Saturday at 6:05 PM

Runningman said:
It says the Lord sent Jesus. What does that mean?

It means the Father sent Jesus.

Runningman · Saturday at 6:08 PM

Fred said:
It means the Father sent Jesus.

Great I agree. Then who is the one Lord.

Eph. 4
5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

1 Cor. 8'
6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Fred · Saturday at 6:09 PM

Runningman said:
Great I agree. Then who is the one Lord.

Eph. 4
5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Jesus

Runningman said:
1 Cor. 8'
6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Jesus

Runningman · Saturday at 6:11 PM

Fred said:
Jesus

Jesus

Jesus sent Jesus?

Fred · Saturday at 6:16 PM

Runningman said:
Jesus sent Jesus?

No.

You asked me who the the 'one Lord' was and then you quoted 2 passages. I gave my answer for each passage.

Speaking of which, I posted this almost a year and a half ago:

F

Thread 'The Unitarian challenge for those who deny Jesus is Almighty God'

Sep 10, 2023

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/i-wish-i-were-a-unitarian.617/#post-15606

This thread is from what I discussed in the link above. Unfortunately, the one to whom I was addressing evaded this issue, so if any other Unitarian (those who deny the Lord Jesus is Almighty God) can defend their belief I would be interested in seeing to whom they apply the following passages to.

The Father or the Lord Jesus?
Matthew 10:28 (Him)

John 7:18 (He is true, and there is no unrighteousness in Him)

Acts 1:24 (Lord)
Acts 2:20 (Lord)
Acts 2:21 (Lord)
Acts 2:25 (Lord)
Acts...

Runningman · Saturday at 6:22 PM

Fred said:
No.

You asked me who the the 'one Lord' was and then you quoted 2 passages. I gave my answer for each passage.

Speaking of which, I posted this almost a year and a half ago:

F

Thread 'The Unitarian challenge for those who deny Jesus is Almighty God'

Sep 10, 2023

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/i-wish-i-were-a-unitarian.617/#post-15606

This thread is from what I discussed in the link above. Unfortunately, the one to whom I was addressing evaded this issue, so if any other Unitarian (those who deny the Lord Jesus is Almighty God) can defend their belief I would be interested in seeing to whom they apply the following passages to.

The Father or the Lord Jesus?
Matthew 10:28 (Him)

John 7:18 (He is true, and there is no unrighteousness in Him)

Acts 1:24 (Lord)
Acts 2:20 (Lord)
Acts 2:21 (Lord)
Acts 2:25 (Lord)
Acts...

Fred

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Forum: The Trinity

So the Lord who sent Jesus isn't the same Lord as Jesus?

Fred · Saturday at 6:25 PM

Runningman said:
So the Lord who sent Jesus isn't the same Lord as Jesus?

You can respond to the passages in my thread first. You asked me about two passages and I answered them right away.

Runningman · Saturday at 6:33 PM

@Pancho Frijoles @Peterlag

Runningman · Saturday at 6:34 PM

Fred said:
You can respond to the passages in my thread first. You asked me about two passages and I answered them right away.

This thread is important. We need need to know who God is.

Fred · Saturday at 6:35 PM

Runningman said:
This thread is important. We need need to know who God is.

And my thread is directly related to that. Two Unitarians that I know of already ran away.

Runningman · Saturday at 6:41 PM

Fred said:
And my thread is directly related to that. Two Unitarians that I know of already ran away.

In this thread there have been no disagreements among Christians.

Fred · Saturday at 6:43 PM

Runningman said:
In this thread there have been no disagreements among Christians.

Those who deny the Lord Jesus is God are not Christians.

Pancho Frijoles · Saturday at 6:45 PM

Fred said:
In function, not in being.

Function is determined by being.
Jesus and the Father cannot exchange roles, because that would not be compatible with their being.

For example, Jesus could NOT have sent the Father to the World, or to tell the Father what to do and say.
It is not like you and me going in the same car to the shopping mall and agreeing on who will be driving the car.
It is more like your brain and your keyboard: they do different things because they ARE different things.
The relationship between The Father and Jesus will always be asymmetrical, because only one of them is God

Fred · Saturday at 6:50 PM

Pancho Frijoles said:
Function is determined by being.

No, it isn't.
My wife is submissive to me (Ephesians 5:24), but we are both equally people.

Functional subjection does not necessitate ontological inferiority.

Runningman · Saturday at 6:54 PM

Fred said:
Those who deny the Lord Jesus is God are not Christians.

Then why are you here denying that Jesus is who he said he is?

Fred · Saturday at 6:56 PM

Runningman said:
Then why are you here denying that Jesus is who he said he is?

Jesus taught He is the proper recipient of prayer which demonstrates He is God.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-bible-does-not-teach-to-pray-to-jesus.2040/page-19#post-114059

Runningman · Saturday at 7:00 PM

Fred said:
Jesus taught He is the proper recipient of prayer which demonstrates He is God.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-bible-does-not-teach-to-pray-to-jesus.2040/page-19#post-114059

Please try to stay on the topic since we have already discussed that. So the Lord sent Jesus and the Lord is the Father?

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