Your Views on The Trinity

[Peterlag]

Last I checked, John 2:19-21 is still in the Bible.

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Jun 6, 2025

Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT): The idea of the self-resurrection of Jesus is first found in Johannine theology (Jn. 2:19, 21; 10:17, 18) (2:335, egeirō, Oepke).

Here's another:

New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology (NIDNTT): The resurrection of Jesus is not described only with God as subject and Jesus as object; the vb. may be taken in rans. in the middle voice with Jesus as subject, i.e. "he arose from the dead" (e.g. Rom. 6:4, 9; 8:34, and especially in the Synoptics, Mk. 14:28; 16:6; Matt. 27:63). This change in usage shows that while the...

• Fred

Yep, that's your 1 verse. The other 50 or 60 that say God rose Christ you ignore.

 

[Runningman]

Already did.

Where did anyone say anything about Jesus resurrecting himself after he died?

Looks like Paul and all of the disciples went around the entire Roman empire teaching everyone that someone other than Jesus resurrected Jesus. They all agree with me.

 

[Fred]

Yep, that's your 1 verse.

That's all I need.

The other 50 or 60 that say God rose Christ you ignore.

Which does not contradict that one verse.


Both are true.

 

[mikesw]

[Edited] Yep, that's your 10 verses. The other 50 or 60 that say God rose Christ you ignore.

Peterlag had accidentally forgot to as the 0 after the 1. Fred's findings point to 10 verses, if I counted right. Of course, some were a bit more direct and clear than others.

 

[Peterlag]

That's all I need.



Which does not contradict that one verse.


Both are true.

The obvious difficulty in John 2:19 is that Jesus said “I” will raise up this sanctuary, which causes some problems. One of them is that the other times the Bible speaks of Jesus getting up from the dead it is the Father, God, who raises Jesus, he does not raise himself. Many verses plainly state that it was God who raised Jesus. Acts 2:32; 4:10; 5:30; Rom. 10:9; 1 Cor. 6:14; Gal. 1:1; 1 Thess. 1:9-10. Also, another problem caused by Jesus saying “I will raise it up” is that Jesus died on the cross and so if Jesus was dead then he could not raise himself from the dead.

When a single passage seems to say something that is difficult and/or contradicts many other passages, we should not reinterpret the many clear passages so that they agree with the one contradictory verse. If we base our theology on an unclear or obscure text and ignore the clear passages, we inevitably fall into error. When dealing with a difficult passage that contradicts many clear passages, the correct approach is to consider other possibilities such as transmission errors, translation errors, or simply that the passage means something that we have not considered. Even if after considering other possibilities the obscure passage remains puzzling, we should not abandon the many clear passages and accept a contradictory interpretation.

 

[Peterlag]

Where did anyone say anything about Jesus resurrecting himself after he died?

Looks like Paul and all of the disciples went around the entire Roman empire teaching everyone that someone other than Jesus resurrected Jesus. They all agree with me.

Acts 3:15 is one of my favorites...

15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

 

[mikesw]

Acts 3:15 is one of my favorites...

15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

No problem. Jesus is one with God. That does not nullify all other scriptures.