Your Views on The Trinity
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Donald
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In Catholic theology, we understand the persons of the Blessed Trinity subsisting within the inner life of God to be truly distinct relationally, but not as a matter of essence, or nature. Each of the three persons in the godhead possesses the same eternal and infinite divine nature; thus, they are the one, true God in essence or nature, not “three Gods.” Yet, they are truly distinct in their relations to each other.
Tothalordbeallglory
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Someone has got to be kidding me .
But at least there is truth in this
HE is defintely in league with the pope .
Though the nar realm is blind to this fact .
But at least there is truth in this
HE is defintely in league with the pope .
Though the nar realm is blind to this fact .
Horatius
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Good to see you here Father Donald.
MTMattie
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Echad is the Hebrew word for one, but more precisely it means a single entity but made up of more than one part.is not the Lord God is Jesus? let's see. Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."
if the Lord God sent his angel, then ..... let the bible speak, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
well that three just had a flat tire..... for the Lord God is JESUS.......YIKES!.
Of course the Lord God is Jesus. Jesus makes up part of the more then one part.
Ever since Echad has been introduced here on these forums I have gone abput to learn the meaning.
Isaiah 48:16 And now YHVH and His Ruach (Spirit) have sent Me (an eternal person speaking in verse 12 and 16 – Yeshua)
Full verse vs 16
Come near to Me, listen to this:
From the beginning I have not spoken in secret,
From the time it took place, I was there.
And now the Lord God has sent Me, and His Spirit.”
Three entities can be clearly seen in that verse. The nature of God is a mystery, but we can clearly see that although God is Echad, He is much more than that –
Interpretation
In the Hebrew Bible hallelujah is actually a two-word phrase, hal(le)lu-Yah, and not one word. The first part, hallu, is the second-person imperative masculine plural form of the Hebrew verb hillel (הִלֵּל).The phrase "hallelujah" translates to "praise Jah/Yah",though it carries a deeper meaning as the word halel in Hebrew means a joyous praise in song, to boast in God.
DavidTree
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But you said "nope" to the THREE
MTMattie
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I did? If I did somehow it was by error and please show me so I can get a mod to correct it,because I know the Three is truth.
I know the three is individual. So please show me where I said nope to the three,
DavidTree
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Lord God Almighty is THREE
civic
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Yes and Amen !!!
101G
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so, we can take this as you cannot answer 101G question? thought so.
if you cannot obey the scriptures, then don't answer. the scriptures are clear "one sat on the throne."
good day.
101G.
MTMattie
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Echad is the Hebrew word for one, but more precisely it means a single entity but made up of more than one part.
The Lord God Almighty is Echad and He is Elohim = Hallelu YAH
In the Hebrew Bible hallelujah is actually a two-word phrase, hal(le)lu-Yah, and not one word. The first part, hallu, is the second-person imperative masculine plural form of the Hebrew verb hillel (הִלֵּל).
Yes three. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.... God in 3 persons blessed Trinity.....
Johann
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MTMattie
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When? At the end!
#1 - (The FATHER sits on the Throne) - Revelation 4:2 "Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne was standing in heaven, and One sitting on the throne.
#2 - (the SON Stands in the Midst of the Throne) - Revelation 5:6 "And I saw between the throne (with the four living creatures) and the elders a Lamb standing, as if slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent out into all the earth.
I get so tired of assuming translations and explanations for the written word. If one cannot quote the verses exactly, let them alone.
DavidTree
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You do not realize that you just consented to defeat.
The word 'one' is not in the TEXT = because THEY are THREE
The word for 'one' when pertaining to Elohim is Echad
In Revelation 4:3
The [One] = "one" was ADDED to the TEXT and is INACCURATE
ὁ (ho) = 'the' = is correct definition in this passage of text it means 'The'
Article - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.
seated there
καθήμενος (kathēmenos)
Verb - Present Participle Middle or Passive - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 2521: To sit, be seated, enthroned; I dwell, reside. From kata; and hemai; to sit down; figuratively, to remain, reside.
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Johann
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Matthew 19:28 (ESV)
"Jesus said to them, 'Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the Son of Man will sit (καθίσει, kathisei) on his glorious throne (θρόνου, thronou), you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.'"
Matthew 25:31 (ESV)
"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit (καθίσει, kathisei) on his glorious throne."
Mark 16:19 (ESV)
"So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down (ἐκάθισεν, ekathisen) at the right hand of God."
Hebrews 1:3 (ESV)
"After making purification for sins, he sat down (ἐκάθισεν, ekathisen) at the right hand of the Majesty on high."
Revelation 3:21 (ESV)
"The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit (καθίσειν, kathisein) with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down (ἐκάθισα, ekathisa) with my Father on his throne."
Greek Verbs:
καθίσειν (kathisein) - Aorist Active Infinitive - "to sit"
ἐκάθισα (ekathisa) - Aorist Active Indicative, 1st Person Singular - "sat down"
Revelation 5:6 (ESV)
"And between the throne (θρόνου, thronou) and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain..."
While this verse depicts the Lamb standing, the context is the throne room of God, where the Lamb (Jesus) is identified as central to the throne's authority.
Revelation 22:1 (ESV)
"Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne (θρόνου, thronou) of God and of the Lamb."
These verses collectively show that Jesus is depicted as sitting on a throne in several contexts:
In the eschatological future (Matthew 19:28, 25:31).
At the right hand of God following His ascension (Mark 16:19, Hebrews 1:3).
Sharing the throne of God as both the victorious Lamb and the reigning King (Revelation 3:21, 22:1).
He is causing confusion.
J.
DavidTree
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Revelation 3:21 (ESV)
"The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit (καθίσειν, kathisein) with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down (ἐκάθισα, ekathisa) with my Father on his throne."
The LORD Jesus Christ prophesied Rev 3:21 = John 17:1-5
Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
101G
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First ERROR, God is not a "PART" of himself.......
PART, 1. a piece or segment of something such as an object, activity, or period of time, which combined with other pieces makes up the whole.
2. some but not all of something.
is God some of himself? or is God a piece or segment of himself?
MY God man think. LISTEN CAREFULLY,
Isa 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
none else means no piece or segment of him, any some of him...... Oh my God .... 101G cannot believe peoples are this far lost.
the answer to God's plurality is "EQUAL SHARE", just as Phil 2:6 tells us twice, "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
The terms... "Form" and "equal WITH", again tells us plurality. until one come to this truth you will always be in darkness and lost.
101G.
DavidTree
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I understand where you are coming from when you say: "single entity"
We have to be careful with the 'single entity' designation to Elohim.
Echad Elohim is much more then a 'single entity' but THEY are ONE
No human can fully understand this!!!
Any attempt to fully explain this will fall short of the Glory of Elohim = 1 Kings 8:27
“But will Elohim indeed dwell on the earth?
Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You.
How much less this temple which I have built!
What do you see here???
101G
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LOL, Oh boy. ok, ONE QUESTION, "if it's the Father who sits on the throne, WHO GAVE THE FATHER POWER?" for
Rev 4:11 states, " Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created". the one setting "receive power" so MT please post scripture and Name as to who is more POWERFUL than the Father to give him POWER? remember the one setting "RECEIVE" .... POWER. now that scripture and name as to who is more POWERFUL than the Father to give the Father POWER.... can't wait to hear this false answer.....
YIKES!101G.
101G
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no you are in ERROR, just read the very next verse, Rev 4:3 "And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald".
D.T. ..... HOW MANY IS "HE?" ... thank you. how IGNORANT some are.
101G.
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