Your Views on The Trinity

Peterlag said:
Speaking of baptism...

These words also are not found in any Greek Manuscript before the 15th century and in no ancient Version. E. W. Bullinger., A Critical Lexicon and Concordance to the English and Greek New Testament: (London: Samuel Bagster & Sons, 1975), Appendix A. p. 11.

1 John 3:7-8
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
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God's words are always Truth

Yes or No???
 
DavidTree said:
Think my Brother = Think TRUTH = "Thy Word is Truth"

Dwell on His Name = LORD - JESUS - CHRIST = 3
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Um... LORD - JESUS - CHRIST = 3 = the same all in one person.

I always think Lord God- Jesus the Christ- Holy Spirit = 3

From my signature:
Daughter of the King ~ Rella
 
MTMattie said:
Um... LORD - JESUS - CHRIST = 3 = the same all in one person.

I always think Lord God- Jesus the Christ- Holy Spirit = 3

From my signature:
Daughter of the King ~ Rella
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LORD JESUS CHRIST is the FATHERS Name, the SON's Name , the HOLY SPIRIT's Name

John 17:6 - “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world."

The THREE are Echad = THEY all share in the NAME

Revelation 4:8

“Holy, Holy, Holy, = 3x
Lord God Almighty, = 3x
Who was and is and is to come!” = 3x
 
DavidTree said:
LORD JESUS CHRIST is the FATHERS Name, the SON's Name , the HOLY SPIRIT's Name

John 17:6 - “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world."

The THREE are Echad = THEY all share in the NAME

Revelation 4:8

“Holy, Holy, Holy, = 3x
Lord God Almighty, = 3x
Who was and is and is to come!” = 3x
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THEY all share in the NAME =but they are still 3 separate.
 
MTMattie said:
@Capbook ,

Why do you suppose does @Peterlag still even read a bible when he believes it has been so bastardized?

To give the devil his due..... I just was checking on when this happened and look at what I found.

And if proven to be true........., then all translations have had Jesus lying when they all say Jesus instructed his followers to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit as part of the Great Commission, emphasizing the importance of making disciples of all nations. This command is found in Matthew 28:19-20.

@Capbook, not meaning to drag you into this but I , personally will dot have a direct dialog with @Peterlag ....

And I have absolutely no issues with the Trinity.... PERIOD....

But if this is true, someone... and not necessarily the Catholics... changed Matt 28: 19-20 and a very deep dive is needed.
Because if this is true... then every single person living or dead who would have been baptized under a formula that did NOT originate with Jesus... Matt 28: 19-20 might very well be not baptized as was the intention.

Blessings to all

Please look at the link here as I was unsuccessful to actually copy and paste so it could be read with clarity.





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I have an initial reading of the link you've provided. Yes, many verses mentioned about baptism in Jesus name. And I check the NASB+ about its rendering, I find Mat 28:19-20 convincing because, NASB textual reliance, majority are from Westcott and Hort, "The New Testament in Original Greek. And Westcott and Hort relied heavily on Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus, of which book of John are supported by the oldest manuscripts, the papyrus 66 and papyrus 75. Even the Byzantine manuscripts where KJV heavily relied on renders the text the same. UBS (United Bible Societies) and na28 (28th edition of the Nestle-Aland Novum Testamentum Graece) render the text the same.

I believe the text is true, apostle Paul also mentioned the three in his benediction in 2 Cor 13:14.

Mat 28:19 “ N1 R1 Go G4198 , therefore G3767 , and  R2 make G3100  disciples G3100  of  R3 all G3956  the nations G1484 ,  R4 baptizing G907  them in the name G3686  of the Father G3962  and the Son G5207  and the Holy G40  Spirit G4151 ,
 

There are many descriptions, titles, and names for God in the Bible...​

and I would like to add God’s proper name is “Yahweh” which occurs more than 6,000 times in the Hebrew Old Testament and is generally translated as “LORD.” But God is also referred to as Elohim, Adonai, El Shaddai, the Ancient of Days, the Holy One of Israel, Father, Shield, and by many more designations. Furthermore, God is holy (Leviticus 11:44), which is why He was called “the Holy One” (the Hebrew text uses the singular adjective “holy” to designate “the Holy One." He is also spirit (John 4:24). It makes perfect sense since God is holy and God is spirit that “Holy” and “Spirit” are sometimes combined and used as one of the many designations for God.

None of the dozens of descriptions, titles, or names of God are believed to be a separate, co-equal “Person” in a triune God except for the “HOLY SPIRIT” and there is no solid biblical reason to make the "Holy Spirit” into a separate “Person.” In other contexts the “HOLY SPIRIT” refers to the gift of God’s nature that He placed on people and the new birth to the Christian. This holy spirit nature of God was a gift from God to humankind and we see this in the case of Acts 2:38 when the spirit is specifically called a "gift" when given to the Christian.
 
To all,
again, there is no three. it is only the Holy Spirit, (SHARED.... NOT SEPARATED, but EQUALLY SHARED). ONE "PERSON" ONLY, SHARED. hence LORD, and "Lord"..... the "Lord" is the EQUAL SHARE of the LORD, G2758 κενόω kenoo in flesh bone and blood.

REASON people.

101G.
 
Peterlag said:

There are many descriptions, titles, and names for God in the Bible...​

and I would like to add God’s proper name is “Yahweh” which occurs more than 6,000 times in the Hebrew Old Testament and is generally translated as “LORD.” But God is also referred to as Elohim, Adonai, El Shaddai, the Ancient of Days, the Holy One of Israel, Father, Shield, and by many more designations. Furthermore, God is holy (Leviticus 11:44), which is why He was called “the Holy One” (the Hebrew text uses the singular adjective “holy” to designate “the Holy One." He is also spirit (John 4:24). It makes perfect sense since God is holy and God is spirit that “Holy” and “Spirit” are sometimes combined and used as one of the many designations for God.

None of the dozens of descriptions, titles, or names of God are believed to be a separate, co-equal “Person” in a triune God except for the “HOLY SPIRIT” and there is no solid biblical reason to make the "Holy Spirit” into a separate “Person.” In other contexts the “HOLY SPIRIT” refers to the gift of God’s nature that He placed on people and the new birth to the Christian. This holy spirit nature of God was a gift from God to humankind and we see this in the case of Acts 2:38 when the spirit is specifically called a "gift" when given to the Christian.
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Peter
Your words in this post of yours qualifies you as a false teacher.

Why do you feel compelled to speak against the words of God???

The reward of teachers who speak proudly against the words of the LORD is condemnation.

Flee falsehood and cling to the TRUTH.
 
101G said:
To all,
again, there is no three. it is only the Holy Spirit, (SHARED.... NOT SEPARATED, but EQUALLY SHARED). ONE "PERSON" ONLY, SHARED. hence LORD, and "Lord"..... the "Lord" is the EQUAL SHARE of the LORD, G2758 κενόω kenoo in flesh bone and blood.

REASON people.

101G.
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Genesis chapter 1
#1 - Elohim is Plural
#2 - Elohim is THREE
#3 - Elohim will always be THREE

Gospel
#1 - The Word from Genesis chapter 1 is Elohim
#2 - All things were created by The Word (Genesis ch1 = John ch1)
#3 - The FATHER sent His Word which became flesh as the ONLY begotten SON of the FATHER
#4 - Heaven Opens to The SON of the FATHER(God) and the HOLY SPIRIT Rests Upon the SON = THREE

Revelation
#1 - ELOHIM is Plural = Holy Holy Holy = 3x
#2 - ELOHIM = He who was and is and is to come = 3x
#3 - ELOHIM will always be THREE = LORD GOD ALMIGHTY =THREE
 
DavidTree said:
It hasn't = ELOHIM is THREE
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And these three ARE ONE .
I have a real serious question that i have suddenly been unctioned huge to ask us all .
This is all over me , i feel like a bottle ready to burst
and i must speak .
HERE is the question .
WOULD the LOVE that came of GOD
ever once silenced the mouth of Christ of the apostels.
SO how come i see a love today that has done just that
and has even ran off sheep who do speak TRUTH .
WOULD THE LOVE OF GOD have EVER ONCE silenced the truth that does correct
that does so edify
for sake of LETS JUST GET ALONG . DAVID THIS is all over me now .
THIS GENERATION HAS BEEN DECIEVED and would have ran JESUS , the apostels ,
as it does even his sheep RIGHT OUT of churches . as they were called HATERS
and judgers . BUT WOULD THE LOVE OF GOD have ever done such a thing .
WOULD the love of GOD RAN OUT those who warned against false doctrine
AND exposed false teachers .
AND YET , and YET
i see a love that says WE DONT NAME NAMES . JESUS DID , so did the apostels .
I SEE a love today that says WE DONT JUDGE any time someone shows up TO CORRECT SINFUL behavoir
and to expose what is false and who is false . BUT I MUST SAY THAT LOVE AINT COMING FROM GOD
CAUSE JESUS warned against THE PHARISEES DIDNT HE .
YET if a man cometh and warns against THE RCC , ITS DONT JUDGE .
JESUS warned against sin
but today if a sheep warns against it , ITS DONT JUDGE HATER
JOHN , paul and others EVEN NAMED THE NAMES
but today , HOW DARE THEE DO such a thing . WE HAVE BEEN OUTRIGHT DECEIEVED
and this generation by todays standard of what IT THINKS IS LOVE and is loving
WOULD HAVE RAN HIM RIGHT OUT of churches , as well as the apostles
as well as his own sheep today . SOMETHING HAS WENT BIG TIME AMISS DAVID .
A little leaven SURE CAN AND SURE WILL LEAVEN the WHOLE LUMP . you pray about that for a bit .
cause i got a whole lot more this VENT is ready to say . THE LORD has this sheep
and it aint CAUSE I EARNED OR DESERVED IT . I WAS KING of the worst .
BUT GOD SURE CAN CHANGE THE HEART OF MAN . BELIEVE ME DAVID . I KNOW FIRST HAND .
 
DavidTree said:
Genesis chapter 1
#1 - Elohim is Plural
#2 - Elohim is THREE
#3 - Elohim will always be THREE

Gospel
#1 - The Word from Genesis chapter 1 is Elohim
#2 - All things were created by The Word (Genesis ch1 = John ch1)
#3 - The FATHER sent His Word which became flesh as the ONLY begotten SON of the FATHER
#4 - Heaven Opens to The SON of the FATHER(God) and the HOLY SPIRIT Rests Upon the SON = THREE

Revelation
#1 - ELOHIM is Plural = Holy Holy Holy = 3x
#2 - ELOHIM = He who was and is and is to come = 3x
#3 - ELOHIM will always be THREE = LORD GOD ALMIGHTY =THREE
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if this is true, tell all of us who sits on the throne in Revelation chapter 4 and 5? name and or title please.

101G
 
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101G said:
if this is true, tell all of us who sits on the throne in Revelation chapter 4 and 5? name and or title please.

101G
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All THREE

#1 - The FATHER sits on the Thone
#2 - the SON Stands in the Midst of the Throne
#3 - the HOLY SPIRIT is the MYSTERY/POWER of Elohim and HE is Present but Unseen

"The Heaven of heavens cannot contain thee......." - 1 Kings 8:27

#1 -"This is what the LORD says: “Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool.
#2 - Where is the house you will build for me?
#3 - Where will my resting place be?"
 
DavidTree said:
All THREE
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your FIRST MISTAKE, for, Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." Revelation 4:3 "And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald."
so, your three is eliminated. .... MY GOD......
DavidTree said:
#1 - The FATHER sits on the Thone
#2 - the SON Stands in the Midst of the Throne
#3 - the HOLY SPIRIT is the MYSTERY/POWER of Elohim and HE is Present but Unseen
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ok, so the Father sits on the throne...... just one question, "Who is more powerful than the Father to give the Father POWER?". READ, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

now DT, tell us by scripture who gave the Father POWER? will be looking for your answer. ... can't wait to here this.... LOL.

101G.

PS we suggest you read Revelation 4:11 closely..... now, that verse as to who gave the Father POWER.
 
MTMattie said:
I always think Lord God- Jesus the Christ- Holy Spirit = 3
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is not the Lord God is Jesus? let's see. Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."

if the Lord God sent his angel, then ..... let the bible speak, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

well that three just had a flat tire..... for the Lord God is JESUS....... :eek: YIKES!.

101G.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" 2 Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
 
101G said:
your FIRST MISTAKE, for, Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." Revelation 4:3 "And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald."
so, your three is eliminated. .... MY GOD......

ok, so the Father sits on the throne...... just one question, "Who is more powerful than the Father to give the Father POWER?". READ, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

now DT, tell us by scripture who gave the Father POWER? will be looking for your answer. ... can't wait to here this.... LOL.

101G.

PS we suggest you read Revelation 4:11 closely..... now, that verse as to who gave the Father POWER.
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You still cannot SEE............nor understand what you read except for surface value


All THREE = Echad = United ONE

#1 - The FATHER sits on the Thone - Revelation 4:2
#2 - the SON Stands in the Midst of the Throne - Revelation 5:6
#3 - the HOLY SPIRIT is the MYSTERY/POWER of Elohim and HE is Present but Unseen - Revelation 22:17

The four living creatures, each having six wings, were full of eyes around and within. And they do not rest day or night, saying:

“1Holy, 2Holy, 3Holy,
1Lord 2Elohim 3Almighty,
1Who was and 2is and 3is to come!”
 

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