DavidTree
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So you cannot see the answer.
Should i leave you alone like the LORD says:
"Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”
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Should i leave you alone like the LORD says:
"Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”
Tothalordbeallglory
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something massive is at work my friend .
And we are much farther along on the timeline than many realize .
In fact the many are headed right into the lie , compromising TRUTH for unity and for peace .
ONLY ANTI CHRIST would do that . make an idea seem
as so necessary for the world and all its peoples and religoins .
INTERFAITH IS OF ANTI CHRIST . And many now find common ground with darkness
beleiving this is the way to attain world peace .
Must i say again , THAT JESUS NEVER came to bring peace on earth
But it is written another one would and that one IS the dark one .
Tothalordbeallglory
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To the trenches the hour is very late and grows only later by the hour .
A full grown and all out delusion that has ripened has come to decieve any and all
not in the lambs book of life .
And it has come in its own name and through peace shall destroy many .
MTMattie
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Sigh.......YES, the Holy Spirit who is .... "FATHER"... LISTEN and LEARN, Luke 1:26 "And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth," Luke 1:27 "To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary." Luke 1:28 "And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women." Luke 1:29 "And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be." Luke 1:30 "And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God." Luke 1:31 "And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS." Luke 1:32 "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:" Luke 1:33 "And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end." Luke 1:34 "Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?" Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."
the Holy Spirit...... is he the FATHER? let's see. Matthew 1:19 "Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily." Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."
now MT is not the conceiver of a child is the "FATHER" of the child? your answer PLEASE...... (smile),...
YIKES!
your answer please.....
101G.
your answer please..... Yes, the conceiver IS the father of the child. IN this case the Holy Spirit as was prophesied.
How? because as the Holy spirit is God, separated from that which is called God the Holy Father (not pope), most certainly
the HS is His dad.
Now... before you jump all over me... I see this as clear as anything that because the HS is God, the Holy spirit... separate from the other two, with attributes and ummmm , specific directive He is His dad. But as Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one , but not inseperable so that each can do what it is needed to be done.
The HS was sent to be Jesus dad . But it is ok because the HS is God.
Ok I’m glad you are coming around.
Good scripture.
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16
Tothalordbeallglory
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Be not deceived , JESUS told his own many centuries ago . Beware of wolves in wool for there be many my friend .
Desiring only to please and to appease man and thus they are not the servant of Christ .
Beware for many do come in His name and they ONLY deceive using His name .
To promote a flat out blasphemous lie of anti christ and of all darkness .
This sheep wont heed A WORD one outta they lips . ITS JESUS ALONE i shall point too .
LET GOD be true but every man a liar . EVERY WORD O GOD is wonderous meat to the soul of His sheep .
Sheep dont compromise , SHEEP COUNT the cost AND MARCH ON in the trenches .
Tothalordbeallglory
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Does that suprise you at all .
Often when i bring truth
the only responses i get
are cards from this generation . Cause they sure cant use scripture to prove me wrong .
OH but they can use every card known to man to try and justify why they do as they do
and accuse those who speak truth .
By cards i mean , OH so ya think ya better than
Or the victim card , or the whatever false accusation card they can pull out of their hat .
BUT scripture . NO THEY CANT pull that out cause they DONT KNOW IT .
at most they only know some scrips and even those are often twisted to support their own mens doctrines
which tickled their own ears . cards is about all this generation has left .
and a man who built his house on cards , Even the slightest puff of wind AND ITS ALL COMING DOWN .
As for me , I built my house ON THE WORDS OF JESUS , this sheep has A FOUNDATION .
ITS HIM . And every WORD of the LORD IS TRUTH .
Tothalordbeallglory
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We are smack dab in the middle of a war that has long raged and grown only worse as more delusion sets in
to take captive all to A lie .
Well , armour up , cause times shall only get worse
as deceivers be decieving and be decieved , ever learning but never able to come to the TRUTH
but rather has led this generation into upmost rebellion against TRUTH .
But no matter how they build in that all inclusie interfaith diverse stone
and untempered morter , IT will never reach heaven . ITS all coming down on the day of the LORD .
Seeing i desire not the death or destruction of any , this sheep gonna warn and remind
While there still be time to do so .
to take captive all to A lie .
Well , armour up , cause times shall only get worse
as deceivers be decieving and be decieved , ever learning but never able to come to the TRUTH
but rather has led this generation into upmost rebellion against TRUTH .
But no matter how they build in that all inclusie interfaith diverse stone
and untempered morter , IT will never reach heaven . ITS all coming down on the day of the LORD .
Seeing i desire not the death or destruction of any , this sheep gonna warn and remind
While there still be time to do so .
Tothalordbeallglory
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To the trenches my friend .
We in a whole new army now . THE ARMY of THE LORD .
And no man who desires to please HE who has saved us
Spends his time caught up with the cares and pleasures of this life .
THEY are a SOLIDER . A solider of the LORD
Unto HE they owe all and unto HE they aim to please and to thank always .
THEY are not in the business of tickling ears and pleasing men
for if they were THEY WOULD NOT Be the servant of Christ .
TO the trenches one and all . Serving GOD is not a hobby , or something we do
every now and again , ITS OUR ENTIRE LIFES MISSION NOW my friend .
AND we in the business of speaking what actually saves man and using
every lovely Word of the LORD as a means to Edify this people .
WE follow HIS inspired pattern for all things .
Including correction within the body . leaven leavens and dont ever let one forget that
no matter how loving one tries to make it sound to simply overlook and not correct one in sin .
THEY LIE . it is hate . and we shall NOT hate our neighbor in our hearts
we shall in any way rebuke them and NOT allow sin upon them . NOW to the trenches and let none look back .
Tothalordbeallglory
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We need a serious increase of GOD pleasers and not man pleasers . TO the trenches one and all .
Tothalordbeallglory
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TO the trenches one and all . We were never promised peace in this world
but rather tribulation . Our peace cometh not of the world , BUT OF GOD ALL MIGHTY HIS CHRIST .
WHo shall console us no matter what we endure through .
And by that same consolation that HE consoles us we can console others who also are going through
these persecutions . OF WHICH ITS ABOUT to get much worse even in the western societies my friend .
Satan has not been sleeping as many might suppose . HE has been busy
and he has infiltrated a WHOLE LOT of even christendom and is and has been
preparing the hearts of the decieved to become greatly evil affected against those who do not and will not
conform to the image that satan has sold this world as being God and love . HE has decieved many now
and it will get much worse in these late hours . THE LORD was with HIS OWN
from the beginning and throughout all ages , HE WILL BE WITH US no matter what we must face and endure .
Peterlag
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Look again...
I will highlight them for you to help you see.
The supposed “dual nature” of Christ is never stated in the Bible and contradicts the Bible and the laws of nature that God set up. Nothing can be 100% of two different things. Jesus cannot be 100% God and 100% man, and that is not a “mystery” but it's a contradiction and a talk of nonsense. A fatal flaw in the “dual nature” theory is that both natures in Jesus would have had to have known about each other. The Jesus God nature would have known about his human nature, and (according to what the Trinitarians teach) his human nature knew he was God, which explains why Trinitarians say Jesus taught that he was God. The book of Hebrews is wrong when it says Jesus was “made like his brothers in every respect” if Jesus knew he was God (Hebrews 2:17). Jesus was not made like other humans in every way if Jesus was 100% God and 100% human at the same time. In fact, he would have been very different from other humans in many respects.
For example, in his God nature he would not have been tempted by anything (James 1:13), and his human part would not have been tempted either since his human nature had access to that same knowledge and assurance. It is written he was tempted in every way like we all are (Hebrews 4:15). Furthermore, God does not have the problems, uncertainty, and anxieties that humans do, and Jesus would not have had those either if he knew he was God. Also, Luke 2:52 says Jesus grew in wisdom, but his human part would have had access to his God part, which would have given him infinite and inherent wisdom. Hebrews says Jesus “learned obedience” by the things that he suffered, but again, the human part of Jesus would have accessed the God part of him and he would not have needed to learn anything.
Kenotic Trinitarians claim that Jesus put off or limited His God nature, but that theology only developed to try to reconcile some of the verses about what Christ experienced on the earth. The idea that God can limit what He knows or experiences as God is not taught or explained in Scripture, and Kenotic Trinitarianism has been rejected by orthodox Trinitarians for exactly that reason. The very simple way to explain the “difficult verses” that Kenotic Trinitarians are trying to explain about Christ’s human experiences is to realize that Jesus was a fully human being, and not both God and man at the same time. Some assert we have to take the Trinity “by faith” but that is not biblical either.
Peterlag
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The Old Testament prophecies about the coming Messiah foretold that he would be a human being who would be the offspring of Eve (Genesis 3:15); a descendant of Abraham (Genesis 12:3; 18:18; 22:18); a descendant of Judah (Genesis 49:10; a prophet like Moses (Deuteronomy 18:15); a son of David (2 Samuel 7:12-13; Isaiah 11:1); a king ruling under Yahweh (Psalm 110:1); and a ruler from among the people of Israel (Jeremiah 30:21). That explains why the people were all expecting a human Messiah. Psalm 110:1 merits special attention because it's especially clear but has been misunderstood and misrepresented by most English versions that read “The LORD says to my Lord….” The word “LORD” is Yahweh, but many Trinitarian commentators argue that “my Lord” in this verse is the Hebrew word "adonai" that is another name for God, and that would provide proof of the divinity of the Messiah. But the Hebrew text does not use "adonai" but rather "adoni" which is always used in Scripture to describe human masters and lords, but never God.
Peterlag
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You are unable to comprehend God since you rely on the flesh. No Trinitarian suggests there are three gods. You should know that but you persist in nonsensical interpretations that have no relationship to the reality of the triune God. The situation is beyond showing sympathy and patience for your inability to at least acknowledge the truth even though the truth is extends further than the reach of your ability to at least find analogical sense of who God is.
Peterlag
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What do you make of these guys...
"The doctrine of the Trinity is not a biblical doctrine... it's the product of theological reflection." - The Christian Doctrine of God Trinitarian. E. Brunner, 1949, p. 236.
“Trinity is not a biblical doctrine" - New Bible Dictionary, J. Douglas, F. Bruce, 1982, p. 1298.
“Scholars generally agree that there is no doctrine of the Trinity as such in either the Old or the New Testament” - The Harper Collins Encyclopedia of Catholicism, 1995, p. 564.
“The Bible has no statements or speculations concerning a trinitary deity." - Encyclopedia Britannica, volume 12, p. 383, 1979.
“Three coequal partners in the Godhead cannot be clearly detected within the confines of the Bible. It's important to avoid reading the Trinity into places where it does not appear." - Oxford Companion To the Bible, Bruce Metzger, M. Coogan, p. 782-3.
“The doctrine of the Trinity is not present in biblical thought... it goes beyond, and even distorts, what the Bible says about God.” - A Contemporary Interpretation of the Trinity - God in Three Persons: Prof. M. Erickson, Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, p. 12, 20.
“The belief (in a Trinity-God) was reached only in the 4th and 5th centuries AD and hence is not explicitly and formally a biblical belief." -Dictionary of The Bible, 1995, (trinitarian) J. Mckenzie, p. 899.
“The doctrine of the Trinity was formulated in the post-biblical period." - Harper’s Bible Dictionary, 1985.
“In the New Testament there is no direct suggestion of a doctrine of the Trinity." - An Encyclopedia of Religion, V. Ferm (ed.), 1945, p. 344.
“No passage of Scripture discusses the threeness of God." - The New International Version. Disciples Study Bible, p. 173, note for Mt. 3:16.
“The Bible does not state that there is one God who exists in three persons” - Basic Theology, Prof. C. Ryrie, p. 89.
“The Bible does not teach the doctrine of the Trinity” - Christian Doctrine, Prof. S. Guthrie, Columbia Theol. Seminary, 1994, p. 92.
“The doctrine of the Trinity cannot be justified on the basis of Scripture. Indeed it's hard to imagine Jesus speaking in such terms"- An Outline of Biblical Theology, Prof. M. Burrows, Yale Divinity School, p. 81.
“The doctrine of God as existing in three persons and one substance is not demonstrable by scriptural proofs." - Hastings Dictionary Of The Bible, 1898.
“There is in the Old Testament no indication of interior distinctions in the God-head. And there is no doctrine of the Trinity in the New Testament” - The Known Bible and its Defense, Rev. M. Hembre, 1933, p. 25.
"The doctrine of the Trinity is not a biblical doctrine... it's the product of theological reflection." - The Christian Doctrine of God Trinitarian. E. Brunner, 1949, p. 236.
“Trinity is not a biblical doctrine" - New Bible Dictionary, J. Douglas, F. Bruce, 1982, p. 1298.
“Scholars generally agree that there is no doctrine of the Trinity as such in either the Old or the New Testament” - The Harper Collins Encyclopedia of Catholicism, 1995, p. 564.
“The Bible has no statements or speculations concerning a trinitary deity." - Encyclopedia Britannica, volume 12, p. 383, 1979.
“Three coequal partners in the Godhead cannot be clearly detected within the confines of the Bible. It's important to avoid reading the Trinity into places where it does not appear." - Oxford Companion To the Bible, Bruce Metzger, M. Coogan, p. 782-3.
“The doctrine of the Trinity is not present in biblical thought... it goes beyond, and even distorts, what the Bible says about God.” - A Contemporary Interpretation of the Trinity - God in Three Persons: Prof. M. Erickson, Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, p. 12, 20.
“The belief (in a Trinity-God) was reached only in the 4th and 5th centuries AD and hence is not explicitly and formally a biblical belief." -Dictionary of The Bible, 1995, (trinitarian) J. Mckenzie, p. 899.
“The doctrine of the Trinity was formulated in the post-biblical period." - Harper’s Bible Dictionary, 1985.
“In the New Testament there is no direct suggestion of a doctrine of the Trinity." - An Encyclopedia of Religion, V. Ferm (ed.), 1945, p. 344.
“No passage of Scripture discusses the threeness of God." - The New International Version. Disciples Study Bible, p. 173, note for Mt. 3:16.
“The Bible does not state that there is one God who exists in three persons” - Basic Theology, Prof. C. Ryrie, p. 89.
“The Bible does not teach the doctrine of the Trinity” - Christian Doctrine, Prof. S. Guthrie, Columbia Theol. Seminary, 1994, p. 92.
“The doctrine of the Trinity cannot be justified on the basis of Scripture. Indeed it's hard to imagine Jesus speaking in such terms"- An Outline of Biblical Theology, Prof. M. Burrows, Yale Divinity School, p. 81.
“The doctrine of God as existing in three persons and one substance is not demonstrable by scriptural proofs." - Hastings Dictionary Of The Bible, 1898.
“There is in the Old Testament no indication of interior distinctions in the God-head. And there is no doctrine of the Trinity in the New Testament” - The Known Bible and its Defense, Rev. M. Hembre, 1933, p. 25.
They are more honest than you are. They do not necessarily deny the triune nature of God but rather are often just saying the hyperliteralist is going to go crazy trying to deny who God is despite the evidence in scripture.
Marvelloustime
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@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
“And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:11-14 KJV
Marvelloustime
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@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
“Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.”
Leviticus 19:17 KJV
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