Your Views on The Trinity

JLB said:
Yes. Jesus is God who became flesh.

All the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in Him bodily.
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and Jesus is not "Lord?" .... Acts 2:39 "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."

Acts 3:22 "For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you."

1 Peter 3:15 "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"

1o1G
 
101G said:
so you deny John 13:13 "Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am." are you say John 13:13 makes no sense that the Lord Jesus is not Lord?

101G.
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Sir, I have stated many times that Jesus is Lord.

He is God. God the Son. Not God the Father.
 
JLB said:
Sir, I have stated many times that Jesus is Lord.

He is God. God the Son. Not God the Father.
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is he not "LORD", which 101G have proven many a times..... see your ERROR. WAS IT NOT "JESUS" WHO LAID THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH? ...... yes as LORD. Hebrews 1:10 "And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:" now .... Zechariah 12:1 "The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him."

you're caught in an ERROR, the Lord who is Jesus is also the LORD.

101G
 
101G said:
WAS IT NOT "JESUS" WHO LAID THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH?
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Yes. The Son laid the foundations of the earth. He is LORD.

But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8
 
101G said:
so then who is the "Lord?"

101G.
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Jesus is Lord.

Here is an example from the Old Testament.


The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:, “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. Zechariah 12:1,10
 

Your first red flag should have been that you follow what the Catholics teach who have never been right about anything.​

The word “Trinity” is not in the Bible, and that is supporting evidence that the doctrine is unbiblical, which may be why Trinitarians differ, sometimes greatly in their definitions of the Trinity. The Eastern Orthodox Church differs from the Western Church on the relation of the Holy Spirit to the Father and the Son. Trinitarians who hold to the “classic” definition of the Trinity say Jesus was 100% God and 100% man while on the earth believe differently from Kenotic Trinitarians who believe Jesus set aside his godhood while he was a man on the earth. Oneness Pentecostals say the classic formula of the Trinity is completely wrong, and yet all these claim that Christ is God and that the Bible supports their position.
 
Peterlag said:

Your first red flag should have been that you follow what the Catholics teach who have never been right about anything.​

The word “Trinity” is not in the Bible, and that is supporting evidence that the doctrine is unbiblical, which may be why Trinitarians differ, sometimes greatly in their definitions of the Trinity. The Eastern Orthodox Church differs from the Western Church on the relation of the Holy Spirit to the Father and the Son. Trinitarians who hold to the “classic” definition of the Trinity say Jesus was 100% God and 100% man while on the earth believe differently from Kenotic Trinitarians who believe Jesus set aside his godhood while he was a man on the earth. Oneness Pentecostals say the classic formula of the Trinity is completely wrong, and yet all these claim that Christ is God and that the Bible supports their position.
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So Peterlag says Christians (catholics as the encompassing term) never have doctrine right. He also says since most people recognize the triune nature of the Godhead that therefore the triune nature cannot be a proper aspect of who God is. This argument is like the atheists who say all the ancient peoples believed in the existence of gods and as such the existence of God is not logical. so we see an example of the hyperliteralist Arianist in denying the testimony of scripture.
 
Peterlag said:

I put this up again because and I quote from the song "A Whiter Shade of Pale" by: Procol Harum...​

When "the crowd cried out for more..."​

The supposed “dual nature” of Christ is never stated in the Bible and contradicts the Bible and the laws of nature that God set up. Nothing can be 100% of two different things. Jesus cannot be 100% God and 100% man, and that is not a “mystery” but it's a contradiction and a talk of nonsense. A fatal flaw in the “dual nature” theory is that both natures in Jesus would have had to have known about each other. The Jesus God nature would have known about his human nature, and (according to what the Trinitarians teach) his human nature knew he was God, which explains why Trinitarians say Jesus taught that he was God. The book of Hebrews is wrong when it says Jesus was “made like his brothers in every respect” if Jesus knew he was God (Hebrews 2:17). Jesus was not made like other humans in every way if Jesus was 100% God and 100% human at the same time. In fact, he would have been very different from other humans in many respects.

For example, in his God nature he would not have been tempted by anything (James 1:13), and his human part would not have been tempted either since his human nature had access to that same knowledge and assurance. It is written he was tempted in every way like we all are (Hebrews 4:15). Furthermore, God does not have the problems, uncertainty, and anxieties that humans do, and Jesus would not have had those either if he knew he was God. Also, Luke 2:52 says Jesus grew in wisdom, but his human part would have had access to his God part, which would have given him infinite and inherent wisdom. Hebrews says Jesus “learned obedience” by the things that he suffered, but again, the human part of Jesus would have accessed the God part of him and he would not have needed to learn anything.

Kenotic Trinitarians claim that Jesus put off or limited His God nature, but that theology only developed to try to reconcile some of the verses about what Christ experienced on the earth. The idea that God can limit what He knows or experiences as God is not taught or explained in Scripture, and Kenotic Trinitarianism has been rejected by orthodox Trinitarians for exactly that reason. The very simple way to explain the “difficult verses” that Kenotic Trinitarians are trying to explain about Christ’s human experiences is to realize that Jesus was a fully human being, and not both God and man at the same time. Some assert we have to take the Trinity “by faith” but that is not biblical either.
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Peter, you are 'lagging' behind
thru your carnal mind
you cannot SEE what is written
because you have been snake bitten

God Says look to ME
eye C Christ on the Tree
Yeah God came to earth
He died for you and me

eye C my Father's Prophesy
Look to ME, Says HE
eye C
 
DavidTree said:
Peter, you are 'lagging' behind
thru your carnal mind
you cannot SEE what is written
because you have been snake bitten

God Says look to ME
eye C Christ on the Tree
Yeah God came to earth
He died for you and me

eye C my Father's Prophesy
Look to ME, Says HE
eye C
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How did the immortal God die and do you claim to be a prophet speaking for God? Because what you said is not in the Bible.
 
JLB said:
Yes. The Son laid the foundations of the earth. He is LORD.

But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8
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The LORD who laid the foundation of planet Earth has a God who anointed him above his companions? 🤔
 
Runningman said:
The LORD who laid the foundation of planet Earth has a God who anointed him above his companions? 🤔
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But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:“You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10
 
JLB said:
But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:“You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10
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Ok, so the Son is the LORD who, in the beginning, before God created the other beings, laid the foundations of the Earth yet there were no companions to be anointed above were there? This passage is accurate if you read it right. I can tell you how to read it right.
 
Runningman said:
Ok, so the Son is the LORD who, in the beginning, before God created the other beings, laid the foundations of the Earth yet there were no companions to be anointed above were there? This passage is accurate if you read it right. I can tell you how to read it right.
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In order to read this passage correctly you must understand what applies to whom, when and where.

The Word was God = 100% Truth

The Word became flesh = 100% Truth

The FATHER prepared a physical body' for the Word to dwell in while here on earth = 100% Truth

The Word that was God became a man and as the only begotten Son of God HE submitted unto His Father = as a man should.

Let's SEE this in actuation - Matthew 3:13-15
Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him.
And John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?”
But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.”
Then he allowed Him.

Now comes Hebrews 1:9 actualized in Matthew 3:16-17 - "Therefore God, your God has anointed you"

When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting upon Him.
And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
 
Runningman said:
How did the immortal God die and do you claim to be a prophet speaking for God? Because what you said is not in the Bible.
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How did the immortal God die
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The immortal God never died.

Since the immortal God can never die He had to come to earth as a man = Hebrews 2:9 and Hebrews 10:5

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor,
that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
 
DavidTree said:
In order to read this passage correctly you must understand what applies to whom, when and where.

The Word was God = 100% Truth

The Word became flesh = 100% Truth

The FATHER prepared a physical body' for the Word to dwell in while here on earth = 100% Truth

The Word that was God became a man and as the only begotten Son of God HE submitted unto His Father = as a man should.

Let's SEE this in actuation - Matthew 3:13-15
Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him.
And John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?”
But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.”
Then he allowed Him.

Now comes Hebrews 1:9 actualized in Matthew 3:16-17 - "Therefore God, your God has anointed you"

When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting upon Him.
And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
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Okay, so who were God's companions in the beginning? Got any scriptural proof that God had companions to be anointed above in the beginning and who was God equal to or lesser than in the beginning? Again, you're reading it wrong. I will tell you how to read it if you want.
 
Runningman said:
Okay, so who were God's companions in the beginning? Got any scriptural proof that God had companions to be anointed above in the beginning and who was God equal to or lesser than in the beginning? Again, you're reading it wrong. I will tell you how to read it if you want.
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Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

This scripture only points to when the WORD became a man and submitted Himself to the Will of His FATHER when HE was baptized in water by John.

When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting upon Him.
And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
John the baptist was the greatest OT Prophet because he lived to announce the MESSIAH = face to face
John the Baptist was fille dwith the Holy Spirit when inside his mothers womb - Luke 1:15

Because John was filled with the Holy Spirit he was a direct companion of Jesus.
Only JESUS was given the Holy Spirit without measure = John 3:34-35

For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand.

Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
 

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