Interfaith stuff is no bueno.
President Trump is a baby Christian and needs our prayers for God to open his eyes.
Your Views on The Trinity
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Interfaith stuff is no bueno.
President Trump is a baby Christian and needs our prayers for God to open his eyes.
Oneness believes there is one member of the Godhead.
The scriptures teaches these three are one.
Oneness teaches this one is three.
I believe Jesus is God; YHWH The LORD God.
I believe the Father is God; YHWH The LORD God.
I believe the Holy Spirit is God; YHWH The LORD God.
I believe collectively these three are God; YHWH the LORD God.
These three individual divine Beings (Persons) are collectively God;
YHWH the LORD God
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;
Genesis 1:26
What do you believe?
Which one of the statements do you disagree with?
Peterlag
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The claim at the heart of the Christian faith is that Jesus of Nazareth was, and is, God. But this is not what the original disciples believed during Jesus’s lifetime—and it is not what Jesus claimed about himself. How Jesus Became God tells the story of an idea that shaped Christianity, and of the evolution of a belief that looked very different in the fourth century than it did in the first.
A master explainer of Christian history, texts, and traditions, Ehrman reveals how an apocalyptic prophet from the backwaters of rural Galilee crucified for crimes against the state came to be thought of as equal with the one God Almighty, Creator of all things. But how did he move from being a Jewish prophet to being God? In a book that took eight years to research and write, Ehrman sketches Jesus’s transformation from a human prophet to the Son of God exalted to divine status at his resurrection. Only when some of Jesus’s followers had visions of him after his death—alive again—did anyone come to think that he, the prophet from Galilee, had become God. And what they meant by that was not at all what people mean today.
DavidTree
Super Member
That is a nice drawing of JESUS as Jacob's Ladder.
BEST SELLING TRUTH of All TIME = Genesis , OT Prophets and Gospel = How God became a man
Jesus never “became” God.
God became flesh.
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:15
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one.
101G
Super Member
agreed, JESUS is "LORD", but, you don't believe the scriptures? Jesus is "Lord" ...... John 13:13 "Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am."
so, JBL is Jesus "Lord" also? .... (smile), yes or no?
don't answer, for you and your beliefs are already exposed as false..... see, you don't know nor UNDERSTAND the word of God
now you're stuck with the LORD and the Lord who is Jesus the same one person..... (smile),,,,
YIKES!101G.
101G
Super Member
101G
Super Member
how about this one?Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."
beside him, a single person, there is no "God"/H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
LOL, LOL, LOL, ... Oh boy, or this one,
Isaiah 44:8 "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."
let's see, "me" is a single person, and there is NO... Elohim(PLURAL), "GOD beside him, the ONE PERSON, ME.
let's do three,
Isaiah 45:5 "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God (Elohim(PLURAL), beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:"
one more for the burial, Isaiah 45:21 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me."
there is NO Elohim(PLURAL)/God beside the ONE PERSON, ........ me
YIKES!101G.
101G
Super Member
(smile), LOL, LOL, LOL, you're welcome. for there is ONLY ONE PERSON who is God, JESUS, the Spirit... the Holy Spirit.
101G..........
just Love this.
101G
Super Member
is not JESUS God? let's see, Acts 2:32 "This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses."
now this, John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
and the temple that he raise up was his body, scripture, John 2:21 "But he spake of the temple of his body."
so JLB, want to tell us who rose up Jesus body? ...... (smile), Oh boy....
101G.
agreed, JESUS is "LORD", but, you don't believe the scriptures? Jesus is "Lord" ...... John 13:13 "Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am."
so, JBL is Jesus "Lord" also? .... (smile), yes or no?
don't answer, for you and your beliefs are already exposed as false..... see, you don't know nor UNDERSTAND the word of God
now you're stuck with the LORD and the Lord who is Jesus the same one person..... (smile),,,,
101G.
Makes no sense.
Peterlag
Well-known member
I put this up again because and I quote from the song "A Whiter Shade of Pale" by: Procol Harum...
When "the crowd cried out for more..."
The supposed “dual nature” of Christ is never stated in the Bible and contradicts the Bible and the laws of nature that God set up. Nothing can be 100% of two different things. Jesus cannot be 100% God and 100% man, and that is not a “mystery” but it's a contradiction and a talk of nonsense. A fatal flaw in the “dual nature” theory is that both natures in Jesus would have had to have known about each other. The Jesus God nature would have known about his human nature, and (according to what the Trinitarians teach) his human nature knew he was God, which explains why Trinitarians say Jesus taught that he was God. The book of Hebrews is wrong when it says Jesus was “made like his brothers in every respect” if Jesus knew he was God (Hebrews 2:17). Jesus was not made like other humans in every way if Jesus was 100% God and 100% human at the same time. In fact, he would have been very different from other humans in many respects.For example, in his God nature he would not have been tempted by anything (James 1:13), and his human part would not have been tempted either since his human nature had access to that same knowledge and assurance. It is written he was tempted in every way like we all are (Hebrews 4:15). Furthermore, God does not have the problems, uncertainty, and anxieties that humans do, and Jesus would not have had those either if he knew he was God. Also, Luke 2:52 says Jesus grew in wisdom, but his human part would have had access to his God part, which would have given him infinite and inherent wisdom. Hebrews says Jesus “learned obedience” by the things that he suffered, but again, the human part of Jesus would have accessed the God part of him and he would not have needed to learn anything.
Kenotic Trinitarians claim that Jesus put off or limited His God nature, but that theology only developed to try to reconcile some of the verses about what Christ experienced on the earth. The idea that God can limit what He knows or experiences as God is not taught or explained in Scripture, and Kenotic Trinitarianism has been rejected by orthodox Trinitarians for exactly that reason. The very simple way to explain the “difficult verses” that Kenotic Trinitarians are trying to explain about Christ’s human experiences is to realize that Jesus was a fully human being, and not both God and man at the same time. Some assert we have to take the Trinity “by faith” but that is not biblical either.
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