Worshipping The Son

Just like I pointed out and you agreed yesterday many triniratians and even scholars do not understand Jesus is not a human person but a Divine Person.

That was a great conversation. I mentioned it to @synergy. I don’t know if he believes Jesus is or isn’t a human person. Unless I missed it, he hasn’t said.

And in this case the majority here is incorrect once again.

The majority is sometimes right and sometimes wrong. Whatever the majority believe, it must be considered critically. The same with what the minority believes.
 
That was a great conversation. I mentioned it to @synergy. I don’t know if he believes Jesus is or isn’t a human person. Unless I missed it, he hasn’t said.



The majority is sometimes right and sometimes wrong. Whatever the majority believe, it must be considered critically. The same with what the minority believes.
Agreed.

As a side note appealing to authority is much like appealing to statistics. They can be manipulated to support anyone's argument. :)
 
Moses was never worshipped as God

That’s right. The point is that Moses functioned as God.

So there was no equality with God.

I disagree. Moses functioned as God to Pharaoh.

Also Moses never preexisted his physical birth …

You’re speaking about literal preexistence. I agree that Moses didn’t literally preexist. I believe in ideal preexistence, which is also known as notional preexistence.

… unlike the Son who preexisted creation and was together with the Father before anything came into existence. John 17:5.

That is trinitarian perspective. I understand Jesus’ preexistence from the perspective of Jewish monotheism.
 
You are dodging prayer and worship to Jesus because this proves He is ontologically equal with the Father.
You guys are now so immersed into yet another false teaching experience that is far removed from the word of God and spiritual truth. Let me very briefly explain...

This is a core pagan concept. A major area of Greek philosophy that never managed to become part of early Trinitarianism, until recently, maybe, maybe soon. If might be the next novel incorporated pagan foundational truth for this incomprehensible model of God and his Son, called the Trinity.

Ontology is a part of metaphysics that has no business what so ever in and with true theology and scripture for understanding.

Plato used the device of ontology to put forth his theory of 'forms.' Sounds familiar?

Ontology also is partly married to sociological views of things in nature and people, about their existence.

Many in this field of pseudo-scientific investigation have come to the conclusion that ontological arguments and their intended conclusions are inconclusive and pointless.
 
That’s right. The point is that Moses functioned as God.



I disagree. Moses functioned as God to Pharaoh.



You’re speaking about literal preexistence. I agree that Moses didn’t literally preexist. I believe in ideal preexistence, which is also known as notional preexistence.



That is trinitarian perspective. I understand Jesus’ preexistence from the perspective of Jewish monotheism.
No he functioned as a prophet. Nowhere does the bible say he functioned as God. He was Gods mouthpiece like every other prophet.
 
You guys are now so immersed into yet another false teaching experience that is far removed from the word of God and spiritual truth. Let me very briefly explain...

This is a core pagan concept. A major area of Greek philosophy that never managed to become part of early Trinitarianism, until recently, maybe, maybe soon. If might be the next novel incorporated pagan foundational truth for this incomprehensible model of God and his Son, called the Trinity.

Ontology is a part of metaphysics that has no business what so ever in and with true theology and scripture for understanding.

Plato used the device of ontology to put forth his theory of 'forms.' Sounds familiar?

Ontology also is partly married to sociological views of things in nature and people, about their existence.

Many in this field of pseudo-scientific investigation have come to the conclusion that ontological arguments and their intended conclusions are inconclusive and pointless.

No Scripture was cited or discussed.

I am not interested in your worthless opinions.
 
I thought I had already. See Exodus 7:1.

A similar thing happened with the judges, who are called elohim.
See the Hebrew experts below:

Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament

Moses' last difficulty (Exodus 6:12, repeated in Exodus 6:30) was removed by God with the words: "See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh, and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet" (Exodus 7:1). According to Exodus 4:16, Moses was to be a god to Aaron; and in harmony with that, Aaron is here called the prophet of Moses, as being the person who would announce to Pharaoh the revelations of Moses. At the same time Moses was also made a god to Pharaoh; i.e., he was promised divine authority and power over Pharaoh, so that henceforth there was no more necessity for him to be afraid of the king of Egypt, but the latter, notwithstanding all resistance, would eventually bow before him. Moses was a god to Aaron as the revealer of the divine will, and to Pharaoh as the executor of that will. - In Exodus 7:2-5 God repeats in a still more emphatic form His assurance, that notwithstanding the hardening of Pharaoh's heart, He would bring His people Israel out of Egypt. ושׁלּח (Exodus 7:2) does not mean ut dimittat or mittat (Vulg. Ros.; "that he send," Eng. ver.); but ו is vav consec. perf., "and so he will send." On Exodus 7:3 cf. Exodus 4:21.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
CHAPTER 7
Ex 7:1-25. Second Interview with Pharaoh.

1. the Lord said unto Moses—He is here encouraged to wait again on the king—not, however, as formerly, in the attitude of a humble suppliant, but now armed with credentials as God's ambassador, and to make his demand in a tone and manner which no earthly monarch or court ever witnessed.

I have made thee a god—"made," that is, set, appointed; "a god"; that is, he was to act in this business as God's representative, to act and speak in His name and to perform things beyond the ordinary course of nature. The Orientals familiarly say of a man who is eminently great or wise, "he is a god" among men.

Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet—that is, "interpreter" or "spokesman." The one was to be the vicegerent of God, and the other must be considered the speaker throughout all the ensuing scenes, even though his name is not expressly mentioned.God encourages Moses to speak to Pharaoh, Exodus 7:1. God foretells the hardness of, Pharaoh’s heart, that he might multiply his wonders in Egypt, Exodus 7:3,4 to declare to the Egyptians that he only is the Lord, Exodus 7:5. Moses and Aaron obey God’s command, Exodus 7:6. Their age, Exodus 7:7. God commands them to show a miracle for the confirmation of their authority, Exodus 7:8,9. Their rod turned into a serpent, Exodus 7:10. The magicians do the same, Exodus 7:11. Aaron’s rod devoureth theirs, Exodus 7:12. Pharaoh is hardened, as the Lord had said, Exodus 7:13; and refuseth to let the people go, Exodus 7:14. God denounces judgments on the Egyptians, Exodus 7:17,18. Commands Moses and Aaron to stretch out their hands oven the waters, Exodus 7:19. The waters are turned into blood, Exodus 7:20. The fish die, and the river stinks, Exodus 7:21. The magicians do the same, whereby Pharaoh’s heart is hardened, Exodus 7:22. The means they used against this plague, Exodus 7:24. The continuance of it, Exodus 7:25.

To represent my person, to act like God, by requiring his obedience to thy commands, and by punishing his disobedience with such punishments as none but God can inflict, to which end thou shalt have my omnipotent assistance. i.e. Thy interpreter, or spokesman, as Exodus 4:16, to deliver thy commands to Pharaoh.
 
God himself isn’t a prophet. As you rightly said, prophets are God’s mouthpiece, not God himself.
Correct but as a man God is prophet, priest and king. Hebrews makes Christ superior to all men who help those earthly positions of authority. Now He as both God and man fulfills the greater position over his human counterpart's as taught in the entire book of Hebrews. He is superior in nature, ontology, position, rank and essence to both angels and man. Only God is superior to angels in rank/position.
 
That’s a great question. I don’t have a number to give you but there are a number of people who are functionally equal to the Father. The most obvious OT example is Moses. God made Moses God to Pharaoh.

So when it comes "rank". You believe that Moses and Yeshua are equal? Just want to make sure.
 
Mine, too. And not for the better. Worse still, it changed the lives of those whom I debated, too. And not for the better.



I don’t understand what you’re talking about. My life has changed dramatically over the course of nearly 70 years.

You appealed to "I don’t debate." because it "useless".... (my words). This would indicate you're settled like the ones' you claim refuse to change.
 
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