Matthias
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I gave you a fresh start and encouraged you to make the most of it. You aren’t.
Worshipping The Son
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I gave you a fresh start and encouraged you to make the most of it. You aren’t.
Matthias
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I am seeking a position in the new administration that is coming when the Messiah returns.
praise_yeshua
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Keep spinning.....
You're one that treat Unitarian commentary as inconsistent while demanding consistency and making guilt by association arguments against Trinitarians. You're the one with the problem. Not me.
The underlined above is mine.
Since the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of prayer demonstrates He is the proper recipient latreuō.
This proves the Jesus is "the Lord thy God."
praise_yeshua
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Like I need anything from you. You don't control anything and you go to pieces when you lose control. The same guy I knew that sought preeminence in the "next administration" was the same way.
praise_yeshua
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No doubt. Satan sought a better position too.
I'm going to worship Jesus Christ. I'm not going to worship you. You would like that right?
I don't desire another man to worship me. You can only worship one Master. Else you love the one and hate the other. You enjoy being served... right?
Complete
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Hello @Fred,
Thank you, I will look that up now.
Worship
G4352 προσκυνέω - proskuneō - ( pros-koo-neh'-o )
Description:- From G4314 and probably a derivative of G2965
(meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master’s hand);
to fawn or crouch to, that is, (literally or figuratively)
prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore).
(meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master’s hand);
to fawn or crouch to, that is, (literally or figuratively)
prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore).
Translated:- worship;
Total KJV occurrences: 60
Total KJV occurrences: 60
* Used of the Lord Jesus directly:- Mat. 2:2, 8,11; 28:17; Luke 4:8; 24:52; Joh.9:38; Heb.16(7); Rev.4:10; 5:14;
( Trans, as worshipful actions e.g., kneeling:- Mat. 8:2; 9:18; 14:33; 15:25 18:26; 20:20; 28:9; Mar. 5:6; Acts 10:25; Heb.11:21; )
[ mock worship:- Mar. 15:19; Luk. 4:7 )
* Used of worship generally :- Joh. 4:20(2); Joh. 4:21; 22(2); 23(2); 24(2); 12:20; Acts 7:43; 8:27; 24:11; 1 Cor.14:25; Rev.3:9; 7:11; * Satan used it in regard to himself:- Mat. 4:9
* The Lord used it in relation to God:- Mat.4:10
* More references in Revelation that I have yet to see.
'But the hour cometh, and now is,
when the true worshippers
shall worship (G4352) the Father in spirit and in truth:
for the Father seeketh such to worship Him.'
(Joh 4:23)
'And he said, Lord, I believe.
And he worshipped (G4352) Him.'
(Joh 9:38)
'And every creature which is in heaven,
and on the earth, and under the earth,
and such as are in the sea,
and all that are in them, heard I saying,
Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power,
be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne,
and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
And the four beasts said, Amen.
And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped (G4352)
Him that liveth for ever and ever.'
(Rev 5:13-14)
'And it came to pass, while He blessed them,
He was parted from them,
and carried up into heaven.
And they worshipped (G4352) Him,
and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:'
(Luke 24:51-52)
Other Greek words translated WORSHIP:- G4576; G1391; G3000; G2151; G1479
In Christ Jesus
Chris
civic
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No you do not pray to the Son like you pray to the Father. You hold the Father above the Son in your worship, praise, honor, glory, service and dedication. Those are just the plain facts of the differences between unitarians and trinitarians. We hold THEM EQUAL in every area of our faith and do not place One above the other. I have never met a unitarian who does. You would be the first if you did. Are you claiming you do and if so I will prove you do not in practice and deed but in word only. Thanks !
Matthias
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Matthias
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I don’t know who he is but I know that if he really like me he then isn’t like what you think I am,
Matthias
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The saints will rule with the Messiah. The devil is not a saint.
I’m not currently reigning over you (or anyone else.)
You don’t desire to be a king in the coming kingdom of God.
The congregation I pastored knows that I don’t. I served them. They didn’t serve me.
praise_yeshua
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You desire that men worship you. You revile in the thought of such. You and him are just alike in this.
civic
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How many unitarians think that trinitarians will go to heaven ? More or less the number of unitarians who believe trinitarians will go to hell ?
Matthias
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You don’t have, and apparently don’t understand, the heart of a pastor.
praise_yeshua
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Like the apostles reigned over the Church of God? Did any man worship them?
You've claimed that you WILL. Which is what my statements dealt with. You're spinning.
No. I don't. Why would I? You seek to rule. I let Christ REIGN supreme. Which is the poor attitude and theology associated with your position. You seek what Satan sought. To rule.
Like Peter said?
1Pe 5:3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.
If you practice such now....Why in the world would want to rule over someone in the future?
Matthias
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Too many.
Probably the same number.
And now my questions about trinitarians? How do you answer them?
“Heaven is not the destination of the dying.” - John A.T. Robinson (Anglican)
praise_yeshua
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Ah. The ones God spoke about?
Jer 10:21 For the pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the LORD: therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered.
Some do well. Most do horribly. Most seek their own....
Php 2:21 For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's.
Paul had Timothy and Titus. That is poor number for the vast amount that he served. I've seen many over the years and I have met few that sought anything more than their own lofty positions.
Tell me. When you pastored.... did you ever have a "Member's appreciation day"? Lord knows now you can't hardly fit all the "Pastor appreciation days" in a typical year.
praise_yeshua
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I readily admit that I have a problem with Unitarians trying to claim the Son while denying His position with the Father. I do. I have expressed it here.
However, I'm not the Master of anyone. Servants have no place to make such judgements. We let God be God. Obviously, you're not doing that. I have no desire to see people punished for sin. I know I deserve it myself. Empathy is a key component of the work of God in Christ Jesus.
civic
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While I use to stand in judgement with the salvation of others who disagree doctrinally on the Trinity and Deity of Christ I no longer do that and God is the Judge of another mans heart that I cannot see or know so I leave that up to Him. @Matthias
So you can teach an old dog
new tricks
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