Worshipping The Son

[Matthias]

Do they often quote scripture?

Trinitarian scholars? Of course they do. Do you not read them?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Origen’s work which contains it is extant.

That doesn't establish that he is the first to use the word. I'm going to stop right here and demand you acknowledge this very simple fact. You're conflating many things when I'm dealing with pieces of the the argument. If your pieces are not ALL true, then you have a marred construct.

 

[Matthias]

This to me is the Bible's biggest and most important question for everyone:

15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”

Everyone needs to be very careful how they answer that question.

Absolutely.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I learned from people who are more knowledgeable on the subject than you are. I don’t think you can teach me anything more about the doctrine of the Trinity than they did.

We will see. They certainly didn't teach you how to adequately establish an valid argument.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Absolutely.

So your answer is the Son is less than His Father?

 

[Matthias]

That doesn't establish that he is the first to use the word. I'm going to stop right here and demand you acknowledge this very simple fact. You're conflating many things when I'm dealing with pieces of the the argument. If your pieces are not ALL true, then you have a marred construct.

Demand whatever you want. You‘ve thrown away Origen. That’s not a wise thing to do.

 

[Matthias]

We will see. They certainly didn't teach you how to adequately establish an valid argument.

They wouldn’t be able to convince a person like you, nor would they expend any time attempting to.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Demand whatever you want. You‘ve thrown away Origen. That’s not a wise thing to do.

How does Origen using a compound word establish anything?

 

[Matthias]

How does Origen using a compound word establish anything?

Origen did much more than that, as I’ll show, in coming up with the doctrine of the Trinity. If you were well-schooled in church history and post-biblical doctrinal development you would know that.

 

[praise_yeshua]

They wouldn’t be able to convince a person like you, nor would they expend any time attempting to.

Using the arguments you're using, you're correct. They wouldn't.

Appealing to a man living in the 3rd century's use of a late compound Greek word doesn't equal anything. You have to do better than this....

I can put two words together. How about untenablegobbledygook? Maybe I can start a trend then "back date" its application to the first century.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Origen did much more than that, as I’ll show, in coming up with the doctrine of the Trinity. If you were well-schooled in church history and post-biblical doctrinal development you would know that.

You don't think I don't know the history? Origen was not a "AUTHORITY" on the subject. I've never used a single word from him to establish the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. Quote me. You can't. You're arguing with me over something that is meaningless to the subject at hand and you don't even know it.

 

[Matthias]

Using the arguments you're using, you're correct. They wouldn't.

Appealing to a man living in the 3rd century's use of a late compound Greek word doesn't equal anything. You have to do better than this....

I can put two words together. How about untenablegobbledygook? Maybe I can start a trend then "back date" its application to the first century.

Once again it falls on the shoulders of a Jewish monotheist to do what trinitarians should do but seldom do.

 

[praise_yeshua]

So your answer is the Son is less than His Father?

@Matthias ding ding

 

[Matthias]

You don't think I don't know the history? Origen was not a "AUTHORITY" on the subject. I've never used a single word from him to establish the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. Quote me. You can't. You're arguing with me over something that is meaningless to the subject at hand and you don't even know it.

You know church history? What, then, was Origen’s helpful suggestion?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Once again it falls on the shoulders of a Jewish monotheist to do what trinitarians should do but seldom do.

Like use a 9th century reconstructed MT as the basis for the OT?

Oh yeah, I've heard that one before too.

 

[Matthias]

@Matthias ding ding

Who’s there?

 

[praise_yeshua]

You know church history? What, then, was Origen’s helpful suggestion?

I suppose you believe every word he wrote was infallible?

I've already told you he was a liar. I've never used a word he wrote as evidence of anything. Not my problem.

 

[Matthias]

Like use a 9th century reconstructed MT as the basis for the OT?

Oh yeah, I've heard that one before too.

You missed the point of my comment.

 

[Matthias]

I suppose you believe every word he wrote was infallible?

I've already told you he was a liar. I've never used a word he wrote as evidence of anything. Not my problem.

I should let you undermine the doctrine. The trinitarians here are.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Who’s there?

So your answer is the Son is less than His Father?

There is a reason I asked you about rank. You don't know the argument. You're following professors that didn't teach you about it...

Listen, this has been fun but I'm not going to keep doing this. I really have better things to do than to argue over a liar from the 3rd century. Just put me in the Sola Scriptura category and deal with me from the Scriptures. I'll listen.