"Works Salvation"

[Seabass]

see what happened here fold. I posted multiple verses which show this very thing. He did not respond to any of them, or counter any of them, or look together with any of them to show how I got it wrong.

He just accused me of not knowing.



See, What sea puppy here fails to understand is true saving faith. He can not pry himself away of boasting of his own works. True saving faith has works.. we work, not to get saved, keep ourself saved, or keep from losing salvation.

We work because we really do trust God and if we trust God with our eternity. He is probably trustworthy in our life on earth.

You DID NOT post a single example of a God UNconditionally saving a person who continued to live in disobedience, who was continually defiant to God's will. Such only exists in your imagination.

Would God UNconditionally save Noah from the flood had he disobeyed? NO!
Would GOd have UNcondiutonally saved those Jews in Acts 2 that refused to repent and be baptized? NO!

 

[Seabass]

Who said anything about born again Christians continually living in defiance to God's will and being unconditionally saved? That is a straw man argument. In 1 John 3:7-10, we read - Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

The Israelites (Jews) were in the olive tree to begin with because they were the "natural branches" and not because they were all saved. In Romans 10:3, we read - For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, (legalism, works righteousness/works salvation) have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

I already thoroughly explained this to you in post #1,400. In regard to Romans 6:16, there are only two kinds of servants in this world, in the spiritual sense; servants of sin unto death and servants of obedience unto righteousness. When we believe the gospel by trusting in Christ's finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation/place our faith exclusively in Jesus Christ for salvation (Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 5:1) we then become servants of obedience unto righteousness.

Being slaves of sin is put in the "past tense." Romans 6:18 - You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

In regard to Romans 6:17, before they obeyed that form of doctrine by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16), they had been slaves to sin. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?"

1 Peter 1:22 notice - "Purified your souls in obeying the truth" and notice in Acts 15:9 - "Purified their hearts by faith."

Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..

Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not his works) is accounted for righteousness.

Works-salvationists typically ignore "servants of obedience unto righteousness" (Romans 6:16) and simply stress "obedience unto righteousness" as if works of obedience which "follow" believing the gospel/saving faith in Christ are "unto righteousness," as if we are saved by works. Works righteousness (self-righteousness) remains your Achilles heel.

Abraham was justified (shown to be righteous) in his obedience to God in offering Isaac (James 2:21)

Greek word for justified "dikaioo."

1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

*Fits the context.

More faulty human logic in your efforts to boast in your personal definition of non-boastful works. Being unprofitable servants who have only done what was their duty has nothing to do with being saved by non-boastful works.

The faith that justifies is alive in Christ (Ephesians 2:5-9) and does not remain barren of works. (James 2:14) In regard to "faith without works is dead," (James 2:20) James does not mean that faith is dead until it produces works and then it becomes a living faith or that works are the source of life in faith. That would be like saying that a tree is dead until it produces fruit and then it becomes a living tree, and the fruit is the source of life in the tree. James is simply saying faith that is not accompanied by evidential works demonstrates that it's dead. If someone merely says-claims they have faith, but lack resulting evidential works, then they demonstrate that they have an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not authentic faith. (James 2:14)

Man is saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is (evidenced) by works. (James 2:14-26).

*Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works.* (Romans 3:24-28)

It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 4:5-6; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-26) *Perfect Harmony*

You clearly teach salvation by works in contradiction to Scripture. (Romans 4:2-6; 11:6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9 etc..).

You confuse God's will for us to BECOME saved: John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

With God's will for us AFTER we have been saved: 1 Thessalonians 5:14 - Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all. 15 See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all. 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

This issue is not about only about Christians continually living in defiance to God's will

The issue is this: can an unsaved person be saved UNconditioanlly apart from obeying God? NO!
Can a Christian UNCODNTIONALLY continued to receive grace and be saved even if that Christian turns away from God in disobedience? NO!


So again, faith only does not cannot save a person. A person must FIRST CONDITIONALLY obey God THEN one receoves grace/salvation.

Belief only = the word 'only' is an exclusionary word, it would exclude every thing from being saved except believing meaning it would exclude obedience in repentance, confession and submitting to baptism. This is why there is NOT ONE EXAMPLE in the NT of a person being saved by belief only, that is, saved APART from having first obeyed by repenting of sins, confessing with the mouth and submitting to baptism.

Jn 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

a) the verb "believeth" is present tense that shows a continued, ongoing action. This means a person is NOT saved UNconditionally at the moment of belief only (mental ascent of the mind apart from obedience) and continues to be saved UNconditionally...one must believe and keep on believing to continued to be saved. Those that quit believing no longer will be saved

b) the verse says "believeth", it does NOT say "believeth alone". Believe and believe alone are two totally different things. As I have pointed out in pasts post all the belief only in the world will never save an impenitent person, hence belief must include repentance, it must include confession (Mt 10:32-33) and baptism (Mk 16:16). Hence believe is used as a synecdoche where the part (believe) includes the whole (repentance confession, baptism)

Even baptism is used as a synecdoche when Peter said "baptism doth also now save us". Peter did NOT say baptism ALONE now saves us just as John did NOT say belief alone saves. Peter uses baptism as a synecdoche were the part (baptism) must include the whole (belief, repentance, confession).

Salvation by belief alone is another false concept not found in the NT gospel. Belief alone does not save anymore than repentance alone cannot save, confession alone cannot save or baptism alone cannot save.

 

[brightfame52]

@Seabass

Can a Christian UNCODNTIONALLY continued to receive grace and be saved even if that Christian turns away from God in disobedience? NO!

A Christian who has been born of God, that which is Born of God cannot sin. Now that which is born of th flesh cannot stop sinning, but those sins are not imputed to the Justified person because Christ has took care of the punishment, yet God will chasten him or her out of Love Heb 12

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

You DID NOT post a single example of a God UNconditionally saving a person who continued to live in disobedience, who was continually defiant to God's will. Such only exists in your imagination.

Would God UNconditionally save Noah from the flood had he disobeyed? NO!
Would GOd have UNcondiutonally saved those Jews in Acts 2 that refused to repent and be baptized? NO!

Yawn

Good luck earning your salvation my friend.


Many people before me have tried to convince you. Many after me will do the same. we will always pray for you

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Peter even said Paul wrote things difficult to understand that many twist to their own destruction. So Scripture disagrees with you.

Hi Dizerner

I respectfully disagree, and I honestly believe to have unequivocal evidence from Scriptures and reason that some Christian doctrines are the result of having twisted Paul teachings for their own perdition.
For example, Paul did not make salvation depend on doctrinal confessions, or blood atonement. However, the multiple quotes from his writings made in defense of such belief makes me think that Paul's views have been distorted.

Detached from the context of the REAL concern of Paul within his congregations, and influenced by Paganism and Gnosticism, many Christian theologians have for centuries thrown gospel into superstition. Superstition that, in some aspects, is worse than the Paganism Gentiles practiced, because it adds a particularly poisonous component: support for a sort of "afterlife genocide".*

It is the peril of such fabricated exclusivism, alien to God character, what brings me to this Forum.
I’m not at war with any human being or religious group. I’m at war with bigotry and superstition when it affects individuals or religious groups.

*According to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, adopted by the UN General Assembly in 1948, genocide is defined as any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group:

• Killing members of the group
• Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
• Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
• Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
• Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

"Tricky"

1: inclined to or marked by trickery

2: giving a deceptive impression of easiness, simplicity, or order

Thank you, once again, for your perspective of my question. I asked it, because I ask myself the same question and this because it seems relevant to me and how I view God's Instruction. It is not intended as deceptive question, or as a form of trickery. I am sorry if you have been left with that impression.

I was using the word "tricky" to mean "hard" or "difficult". Probably this is on of the casual uses of the term I have heard from American friends or probably I have used it in error. English is not my native tongue so sometimes my choice of the word may not be the best one.
My apologies if I conveyed the wrong impression, my brother.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

The issue is this: can an unsaved person be saved UNconditioanlly apart from obeying God? NO!

Hi, Seabass!

I agree with you and I think the connecting words you use (and that I'm highlighting in red and larger type) are key.
Obedience (and all fruits of the Spirit) is not something that happens apart from the process of salvation: it is intrinsic to it.

To think in salvation apart from obedience is like thinking in a good tree apart from bearing good fruits. There is no such a thing. As Jesus said, a tree that does not bear fruits is to be chopped off and thrown to the fire.

We are saved so that we think and act as saved people. Otherwise "saved" is an empty word.

 

[Dizerner]

Paul did not make salvation depend on doctrinal confessions, or blood atonement.

Yeah, I'm sure Paul preached self-righteous works that merit heaven and that faith in Jesus' shed Blood on the Cross had no relation to forgiveness.

Good call!

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Biblically, what's the difference between "works" and "works of the law"? Paul uses both terms. It appears that "works of the law"are often referring to keeping the ceremonial or ritual laws, like the dietary laws, the commandments of keeping annual feasts, monthly new moons, and weekly Sabbath days. I think these works could be called "good" works, because it was a good thing to obey God's commands. But isn't it true that the Jews could trust in their obedience to ANY of the 613 commandments, as being their "ticket to salvation"? That trust would be unreliable, however, because, even during the Old Covenant, they were saved by faith, not works of the law.

When Paul speaks of the "works of the law", isn't he primarily speaking to believers who are Jews, or Gentiles who have converted to the God of the Jews? After all, they are the only ones who even attempted to obey the Law. However, I'm sure he's speaking to the rest of us also, i.e. those of us who are Gentiles and Jews who have become believers during this gospel age, after the Law became obsolete - Hebrews 8:13. We were never really under the Law of Moses at any point in our lives, except for that which God put in our heart and our conscience - Romans 1:18-21 and Romans 2:14-16.

But Paul speaks to us, this second group of believers too, because even though we were never really under the written Law of Moses, or the "works of the Law", we can gain insight into God's view of "works of the law" vs. faith.

We know that "works" or "good works" existed even before the Law of Moses, that is, even before the "works of the Law". Hebrews 11 gives us a whole chapter describing them. There has been "good works" since creation. (Hebrews 11:4) Hebrews 11 also demonstrates that faith has been in existence since creation.

The bottom line here is that what Paul says about "works" also applies to "works of the Law". We're not saved by either. In reality, there are no more "works of the Law" since the Law has been obsolete for over 2000 years - even though we see Jews today going through the motions of obeying the Law of Moses and setting their hope of salvation on that. Unfortunately, that is a house of sand.

Very good post, dwight.
I am convinced that Paul was against all attitude of arrogance against a brother on the basis "I deserve to be saved because I do X while you don't", whether such "X" had a ritual component (eg, circumcision) or not (eg, honoring his parents).

However, there is distinction on the deeds Paul expected to see in the brethren. Paul expected the universal works of love to be manifested in all of them.

So, while Paul does not prescribe anyone to get circumcised (and leave it as an optional, rather irrelevant thing) he explicitly prescribes honoring your father and mother, in accordance to the Torah.
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise: “that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth.” (Ephesians 6:1-3)

Does anyone in the Forum think that Paul would have considered a person "saved" if Paul knew that person was being indifferent or violent towards his parents? Of course not.
No matter if that person had confessed verbally that Jesus died for his sins and resurrected. No matter if that person had been baptized and had spoken in tongues. Paul would have said that such person was still dead in his sins, because that person was not living the life of Christ.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Does anyone in the Forum think that Paul would have considered a person "saved" if Paul knew that person was being indifferent or violent towards his parents? Of course not.
No matter if that person had confessed verbally that Jesus died for his sins and resurrected. No matter if that person had been baptized and had spoken in tongues. Paul would have said that such person was still dead in his sins, because that person was not living the life of Christ.

Let he who has no sin cast the first stone.

Why would paul judge them as lost. and not help them.

and who are we to judge, when we all have our own bessetting sin.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Yeah, I'm sure Paul preached self-righteous works that merit heaven and

Paul preached salvation by grace.
Salvation by grace is not a trade in which God extends mercy in a exchange for the correct repetition of a formula, or for correct answers to a quiz on Theology.
This is what I meant by saying that Paul did not make salvation depend on doctrinal confessions.
When Paul says "if you confess X with your mouth you will be saved", he is addressing the problem of divisions between converts from Jew and Greek background. Both confessed that Jesus was Lord, crucified and resurrected, so both should feel and behave as equally saved... not depending on who met which requirement of Moses' Law.

that faith in Jesus' shed Blood on the Cross had no relation to forgiveness.

The concept of blood on the cross is related to the concept of forgiveness and that's why Paul resorted to the symbol of the sacrifice over and over. However, salvation by grace is not a trade in which God extends mercy in exchange for blood... particularly if it is the blood of an innocent!
This is what I meant by saying that Paul did not make salvation depend on blood atonement.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Let he who has no sin cast the first stone.

Why would paul judge them as lost. and not help them.

and who are we to judge, when we all have our own bessetting sin.

I agree with you, and I never meant that Paul would judge them as definitively and eternally lost.
In my view, from God's perspective nobody is definitively and eternally lost, because God's love and mercy for his children is eternal.
Even if one single sheep is still astray, the Good Shepherd will leave the 99 already safe, and run after the single one, and succeed in bringing that sheep back.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Paul preached salvation by grace.
Salvation by grace is not a trade in which God extends mercy in a exchange for the correct repetition of a formula, or for correct answers to a quiz on Theology.
This is what I meant by saying that Paul did not make salvation depend on doctrinal confessions.



The concept of blood on the cross is related to the concept of forgiveness and that's why Paul resorted to the symbol of the sacrifice over and over. However, salvation by grace is not a trade in which God extends mercy in exchange for blood... particularly if it is the blood of an innocent!
This is what I meant by saying that Paul did not make salvation depend on blood atonement.

Unless it was the blood of Christ. (the cross)

Galatians 3:13
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”),

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I agree with you, and I never meant that Paul would judge them as definitively and eternally lost.
In my view, from God's perspective nobody is definitively and eternally lost, because God's love and mercy for his children is eternal.
Even if one single sheep is still astray, the Good Shepherd will leave the 99 already safe, and run after the single one, and succeed in bringing that sheep back.

Yes, i agree.

His children.. those as John said, who were given the right to become children of God. through their faith in him

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

@Seabass


A Christian who has been born of God, that which is Born of God cannot sin.

My brother brightfame

What John is saying in 1 John 3:6 is not "True Christians never sin. The change in their nature has been so complete, that any kind of sin from now on is impossible".
By the same token, what John is saying in 1 John 3:6 is not "Don't worry on your spiritual stance before God. You don't need to examine critically your own life, because since you believe in Christ, all sins are automatically cleared out by Jesus, and all justice is automatically imputed to you through Jesus".

John is simply saying that a bird that claims to be a duck should quack as a duck, swim as a duck and fly as a duck... or else it is not a duck.

Please review the passage:

Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.​

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Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.​

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In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.​

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Do not marvel, my brethren, if the world hates you. We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death. ​

 

[Dizerner]

That is an oxymoron. If we were saved by works in addition to faith, then these works would merit salvation. You can't have it both ways.

This is actually not true, it's a logical error, a fallacy of reasoning.

It is not true that a result from an action necessarily means an attempt to earn it.

We do not automatically attempt to earn gifts by receiving them and unwrapping them, for example.

Please study this carefully:

Post in thread 'An Article on free will'

Jan 10, 2025

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your free-will

Calvinists and Free Gracers make the same fundamental logical mistake, this is why they both accuse each other of back loading works. They insist that if action X produces result Y that necessarily means it was merited. This is a non sequitur. There is such a thing as a non meritorious work, an action that produces a result without earning it, such as receiving a gift. Now despite arguing this, Free Grace believes in real Free Will and so allows a "one little bitty mini-work" of free will acceptance of the Gospel message...

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[brightfame52]

@Pancho Frijoles

What John is saying in 1 John 3:6 is not "True Christians never sin.

I never said that, u not paying attention

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

@Pancho Frijoles



I never said that, u not paying attention

My apologies: I extended my post to include a second interpretation that I find equally wrong.

 

[brightfame52]

My apologies: I extended my post to include a second interpretation that I find equally wrong.

That which is born of God cannot sin, it was born of incorruptible seed 1 Pet 1:23

23;Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible[seed], by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

However that which was born of corruptible seed [Adam] cannot cease from sinning

Here is the one born of incorruptble seed 1 Jn 3:9

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[mailmandan]

Gen 6:8 does say Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord, but this is not this issue at hand.

That Noah had already found grace in the eyes of the Lord, was a just man and a preacher of righteousness and walked with God before he built the ark is a key issue of the heart. (Genesis 6:8-9; 2 Peter 2:5)

The issue at hand is this: would Noah have CONTINUED to find grace in the eyes of the Lord had he disobeyed God and defiantly NOT build the ark as God commanded him. The answer is resounding NO! Noah would have been condemned and died in the flood with the rest of those wicked people. Any claim he would have continued to receive God's grace be saved anyway while disobeying God is completely unfounded and unbiblical.

Well, that was certainly not the case for Noah, so your argument is moot.

The conclusion then is this: grace is not something received UNconditionally where it acts as a blanket to cover all sins of a person UNconditonally regardless of how that person lives.

You put a lot of faith in man's performance and self-preservation and no faith in God's preservation. (Psalm 37:28; Jude 1:1) You also seem to underestimate the grace of God which operates sovereignly in the lives of believers.

1 Corinthians 15:10 - But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me.

2 Corinthians 1:12 - For our proud confidence is this: the testimony of our conscience, that in holiness and godly sincerity, not in fleshly wisdom but in the grace of God, we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially toward you.

2 Corinthians 12:9 - And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me.

Grace is initially received when a person FIRST CONDITIOANLLY obeys and grace is continued to be received as long as a person CONDITIONALLY continues to obey. This is why there is no example to be found in the NT gospel of people receiving grace BEFORE one CONDITIONALLY obeys. So, what you are saying is that we are merely "initially" saved by grace through faith and not by works, but then one maintains their salvation by works. I call that "type 2 works salvation" or salvation by works at the back door. From beginning "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is NOT BY WORKS.

1) salvation is received CONDITONALLY upon obedience....no obedience = no grace/no salvation

Choosing to believe the gospel is the act of obedience that saves. (Romans 1:16; 10:16)

2) since grace is received CONDITIONALLY upon obedience, therefore it can be received in vain if a person quits CONDITONALLY obeying = no OSAS

We have access by faith into grace.. (Romans 5:2) Choosing to place our faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation (choosing to believe the gospel) is the act of obedience that saves. No amount of works can save you. Romans 5:19 - For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous. You need to look to Jesus and not to self for salvation. (1 Corinthians 1:18-21)

Faith only and OSAS are both totally, completely foreign to what the NT teaches.

Don't confuse "faith only" per James 2:24 (empty profession of faith/dead faith that produces no works - James 2:14) with faith that trusts in Jesus Christ alone for salvation and not in works. (Romans 4:2-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9) Those who have been saved by grace through faith are saved FOR good works and NOT BY good works. (Ephesians 2:8-10)

OSAS is not foreign to what the NT teaches. (John 6:38-40; 10:27-30; Romans 8:30-39; Romans 11:29; 2 Corinthians 1:22; 2 Corinthians 5:5; Ephesians 1:13-14; Ephesians 4:30; Philippians 1:6; 1 John 2:19; Jude 1:1)

Faith only will NEVER save a person who will not obey.

Faith that never obeys at all is not genuine faith. In James 2:14, we read of one who SAYS/CLAIMS he has faith but has no works (to evidence his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So, when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith. So, James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. Simple!

OSAS will NEVER keep a person UNconditionally saved apart from continued obedience.

Those who truly are saved are new creations in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17) are preserved in Christ (Jude 1:1) are sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise (Ephesians 1:13) who is the guarantee of our inheritance unto the redemption of the purchased possession.. (Ephesians 1:14) You could never be obedient enough to take away your own sins and earn your salvation. (Romans 3:23; 6:23)

I can see where NOSAS easily leads a person to conditionally trust in works for salvation, which you obviously do. I can see that you need to repent (change your mind) and place your faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Acts 20:21; Ephesians 2:8,9) You need to choose to believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of your salvation. (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4)

 

[Dizerner]

I can see where NOSAS easily leads a person to conditionally trust in works for salvation, which you obviously do. I can see that you need to repent (change your mind) and place your faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Acts 20:21; Ephesians 2:8,9) You need to choose to believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of your salvation. (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4)

No, no, that would be something you have to do added to the Work of Christ.

Either his atonement saved you already or it didn't.

You can't add anything to it!