"Works Salvation"

[Eternally-Grateful]

Notice that - "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9) is in contrast to - If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (1 John 1:8) and - If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:10)

Certain folks seem to misunderstand verse 9 to mean that we "must confess each and every sin that we commit as we commit them" (keep a specific inventory of every sin) as an "additional requirement" to "remain cleansed" and "if we forget a sin we are toast!" Who could actually write an exhaustive list of every sin they have ever committed or ever will commit? Sin is not only missing the mark by what we do but also what we fail to do. (James 4:17)

Believers "confess" (Greek - homologeó) speak the same/acknowledge/agree with God's perspective about their sins and have a settled recognition and ongoing acknowledgment that one is a sinner in need of cleansing and forgiveness in contrast with saying that we have no sin or that we have not sinned. (1 John 1:8-10)

amen, we acknowledge them, to be restored.. or we hide them and do not acknowledge them, and when we do this.. things go south very quickly

I think it was peter (or was it james?) who said to confess to one another. not just God so we can be healed

 

[Jim]

well I spoke of this and showed you that faith was not blind faith, and you attacked me

so what did you expect me to do?

thats your problem. you think when you have to prove someone wrong. you go all out. and you lose track of what your even arguing. and then it all falls apart.

Again, talking to yourself.

I didn't attack you concerning anything you said about blind faith. I wouldn't unless you were promoting it. I don't hold to a concept of blind faith.

 

[Ahar]

We are saints that sin less.

 

[mailmandan]

You need to be a little careful here. The bible, at least the NT, never speaks of the saint, one who has been saved, as a sinner. It does speak of the saint as one who does sometimes sin, but the designation of sinner biblically applies only to one who has not been saved. That is, one is either a sinner or a saint.

I know that is a fine point, but an important point in understanding what is written.

I did not label saints as sinners, yet saints do sometimes sin as you yourself have acknowledged. 1 John 2:1 - My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

 

[Jim]

I did not label saints as sinners, yet saints do sometimes sin as you yourself have acknowledged. 1 John 2:1 - My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

I stand by what I posted.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Again, talking to yourself.

I didn't attack you concerning anything you said about blind faith. I wouldn't unless you were promoting it. I don't hold to a concept of blind faith.

You people make it so easy to prove your false accusations. I have a hard time believeing it

Lets look at the facts.

I made a response to @Doug Brents

pistis means to have assurance, to have confidence. to be assured. not based on lack of proof. but based in evidentiary proof.

who or what do we trust?

God

or self

stating a fact. Faith is not blind, it is based on evidence.

You responded to that post (which was not directed to you) with this response

The evidentiary proof is good deeds? Is that what you are promoting?

to which after you said you know everything i believe. just do not agree. and I called yuo out that you do not know what I believe and you keep proving it. I responded with this

proof you do not read anything I say. except through your biased opinion

That comment was my addressing what @GodsGrace said. she is the one who insisted we can not be saved without deeds. not me

keep trying dude..

now I did get this wrong. It was Doug, Not @GodsGrace. although she teaches the same thing.

But the fact remains. You read what I said. did not take it in context. and assumed you had me, and proved yuo did not read because the question you asked had no bearing on anything I said.

so again I ask..

since I told you what I meant after you assumed I said something I did not. and even then. you still came back at me.

how else would I respond. other then you do not believe what I do.

that faith is confidence, assurance, it is not based on blind faith but on evidence.

you need to remove the log from your eye my friend.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I stand by what I posted.

pity the fact that humility can not be had by some.

Bad enough you do it to me, Now a brother you do the same thing to..

I hope you do not plan on finding much fellowship here..unless you have a heart change. It may be hard.

 

[Jim]

You people make it so easy to prove your false accusations. I have a hard time believeing it

And that from one who promotes the Gnosticism of Augustine.

 

[JLB]

To be justified is to have sins forgiven and have the debt of eternal condemnation for sin paid by Jesus Christ in His death on the cross.

Only those who obey the Gospel are saved and have their sins forgiven.


Only those who obey His doctrine continue to have their sins forgiven.

“For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Matthew 6:14-15

 

[JLB]

That is not the biblical meaning of what it means to be saved. It is not an on-again-off-again standing before God. It is an existing condition of the spirit. It is a condition of once dead but now alive.

Jesus warned His disciples to remain in Him.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6


Here is how the scriptures teaches us us to remain in Christ.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24


Keeping His commandments is the definition of love.


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3


Those who hate no longer have eternal life remaining in them.


Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

And that from one who promotes the Gnosticism of Augustine.

see what I mean?

You can not admit when you are wrong. just like a use in another chatroom. When your backed into a corner. you refuse to admit you mae a mistake. You just try to change the subject.

I reject gnosticism, I reject calvinism.

I reject all ISM.


but you? Your pride runs deep. If you can not admit you made a mistake. You have nothing to offer me..

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Only those who obey the Gospel are saved and have their sins forgiven.


Only those who obey His doctrine continue to have their sins forgiven.

“For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Matthew 6:14-15

how do we obey the gospel. what is the gospel?

it is the gospel of repentance for the remmision of sin.

It is recieving his gift of life

It is not going to the law.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Jesus warned His disciples to remain in Him.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6


Here is how the scriptures teaches us us to remain in Christ.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24


Keeping His commandments is the definition of love.


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3


Those who hate no longer have eternal life remaining in them.


Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15

You give yourself to much power and to much credit

Stop pumping your chest and telling everyone how good you are. and becom elike the tax collector. at le

 

[JLB]

how do we obey the gospel. what is the gospel?

Here is the Gospel that was preached on the day of Pentecost.

Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38

The only command of the Gospel is repent.

The way we obey the Gospel command to repent is to confess Jesus as Lord.



Here is the order of salvation.


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:9-10


This is contextually linked to the next few verses…


For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.”
How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:
“How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “LORD, who has believed our report?” So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:13-17

 

[JLB]

You give yourself to much power and to much credit

Stop pumping your chest and telling everyone how good you are. and becom elike the tax collector. at le

Please copy and paste from my post where I’m “pumping my chest” and claiming to be good?


I am quoting scripture, and what the scriptures so plainly say.

Please stop attacking me with hateful and derogatory statements.

Here is my post again, please show me where I stated such things or apologize for making up blatant lies about.


Jesus warned His disciples to remain in Him.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6


Here is how the scriptures teaches us us to remain in Christ.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24


Keeping His commandments is the definition of love.


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3


Those who hate no longer have eternal life remaining in them.


Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15

 

[JLB]

so much for eternal life.

God should have called it conditional life. and not been such a deciever

I’m sorry you have such a distaste for the scriptures and especially the doctrine of Christ.

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9


Forgiving others is key to having your sins forgiven.


“For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Matthew 6:14-15

 

[JLB]

so have you confessed all your sins? every last one. even the ones you forgot about or do not even know are sin?

Yes. And I found that it’s actually better to learn to walk according to the Spirit rather than walking according to the flesh.


I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. Galatians 5:16-17

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I’m sorry you have such a distaste for the scriptures and especially the doctrine of Christ.

I am sorry you have so much disregard for Christ that you think you can do what only he could do on the cross.

Good luck in your journey. When you stand in front of God however. and tell him how many demons you cast out in his name etc etc.

don;t be hurt when he rejects your human good.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Yes. And I found that it’s actually better to learn to walk according to the Spirit rather than walking according to the flesh.

ah..

So you have done what no other person on earth can possibly do. you know every sin and you have complete knowledge

yeah good luck with that

I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. Galatians 5:16-17

I do this to. as much as I can.

but I do not confess that I do it all the time.. Thats why I focus on christ. and his love. and not myself and my failure to meet his requirement.

 

[charismaticlady]

can you see a person suffer spiritual death?

You can see what they are doing. Right? Can you deduce their punishment?