Will Babies that die go to Heaven?

[jeremiah1five]

I looked it up again, and... no, no it doesn't. Here is the full entry:
Hellén: Greek
Original Word: Ἕλλην
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Hellén
Pronunciation: hel'-lane
Phonetic Spelling: (hel'-lane)
KJV: Gentile, Greek
NASB: Greeks, Greek
Word Origin: [from G1671 (Ἑλλάς - Greece)]

1. a Hellen (Grecian) or inhabitant of Hellas
2. (by extension) a Greek-speaking person
3. (especially) a non-Jew, i.e. a Gentile

Gentile, Greek.
From Hellas; a Hellen (Grecian) or inhabitant of Hellas; by extension a Greek-speaking person, especially a non-Jew -- Gentile, Greek.

see GREEK Hellas

1672 Héllēn – an Hellene, i.e. a Greek. 1672/Hellēn ("Greek") originally referred to any native Greek and later became synonymous with any Greek-speaking person, i.e. anyone who followed Greek culture (and especially) spoke Greek.

What about Russians? Or Germans? Or Moabites, Hittites, or Canaanites? Why, according to your interpretation, doesn't it say these nationalities? There is neither Jew nor German...there is neither Jew or Canaanite....why only are Greeks seemingly 'joined' to Jews? What about Chinese? Or Czech, or Arab? And since "Greeks" does not mean "Gentile" what about these other peoples?

But that's not what Saul was saying. He was referring to mixed heritage Hebrews (Hellenists), that these mixed heritage Hebrews are joined to Jews through one common link: Abraham. That's what Saul means when he says, "there is neither Jew nor Greek." Since God made promise to Abraham and to his biological seed, as long as one is a descendant of Abraham, they are heirs according to the promise. The Greek people were never in any covenant with God. So, being that your interpretation is too narrow and includes only Greek people, it is dismissive of every other nationality if it refers to a people that are Greek only.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Galatians 3:18.

and

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:27–29.

God made no promises to non-Hebrew Gentiles in the Old Testament Scripture. In fact, there are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in any of the three Hebrew covenants (Abraham, Mosaic, New.) All of chapter three Saul is writing about Jews under the Law and under the Abraham Covenant. Gentiles are excluded for they were never in any of the three Hebrew covenants. So, if God is mentioning "Greek" which word is defined as "Hellen" he is referring to mixed heritage Hebrews, NOT "Gentiles" otherwise he would have used "ethnos" which is the correct word to describe "Gentiles." Besides this, God never promised His Spirit to Gentiles.

And you can look at the above to see exactly what the word means. A Hellen (Grecian) or inhabitant of Hellas.
You have to read the definition above to see.

I use Strong's and the KJV and the Holy Spirit.
Again, why are Greeks (people) the only people enjoined to Jews? Are Greeks the only Gentile that God has offered salvation? That makes no sense. There's one Biblical truth you ignore that makes God and Christ out to be liars. That one thing is this: God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles.
None.
So, if there's no evidence of a God-Gentile covenant in Scripture, then what is your basis for including Gentiles in God's atonement?

Hellenistic Jews were still Jews. Peter did not go to hellenistic Jews at Cornelius house. He went to the Gentiles whom God, by vision, said were no longer "unclean". Salvation has nothing to do with covenants, but is by grace through faith. It is universal in scope, though effectual only to those who believe in Christ. (John 3:16-17)

Good Lord. Of course salvation has to do with covenant. Saul says so and so does Jesus.
Cornelius was a mixed heritage Hebrew. Gentiles didn't serve the God of Abraham. They served all kinds of false gods or stone, wood, etc.
God used the Mosaic Covenant to save Israel. Jesus taught the Jewish people from out of their Law. It is the Law that speaks of the coming Messiah. Without the Mosaic Covenant NO ONE would be saved.

24 Wherefore the law was our [the JEWS] schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Galatians 3:23–24.

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Romans 9:4–5.

The above passage describes the totality of the Lord's salvation and ONLY the Israelites possess it.

The Law covers all men. The Covenant is for Israel. Paul said without the Law there is no sin. Paul destroyed the Judaizers who were doing what you say you need to see Jesus do. The Law is death is what Paul said in Galatians. If you put yourself under the Law, you will die under the Law. Paul said the Law was a tutor that points to Christ. What did Jesus say to the Gentiles? He praised the faith of the Cushite woman, who understood what was to come. The Gentiles are the dogs under the table who also eat of what comes off the table (the gospel).

Contradiction.
Through the Holy Spirit Saul directs Jewish Christians to the Law. The Law was not 'death.' What an antichristian thing to say. Too much false Gentile theology you've been indoctrinated in that Scripture means nothing to you. But that's the danger of regurgitation other peoples' bible studies.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Timothy 3:16–17.

The "All Scripture" Saul mentions are the Old Testament Law, Psalms, and Prophets. So, obeying the Law is not death. Saul instructs Christians TO THE LAW and the Psalms, and the Prophets so that one is thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

No. The Galatian church was a Gentile church. Paul's mission was to the Gentiles. He says so in Galatians actually. And it was written by Paul.
"Paul, an apostle -- not from men, nor through man, but through Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who did raise him out of the dead -- and all the brethren with me, to the assemblies of Galatia" (Galatians 1:1)

The Galatian church was founded by Jews. ALL the churches were founded by Jews.

"15 But when God, who had set me apart even from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, was pleased 16 to reveal His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with flesh and blood,"

The Holy Spirit revealed the Old Testament to Saul. I get the same revelation as Saul did as do others who study under the anointing.

"7 But on the contrary, seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel [d]to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been [e]to the circumcised 8 (for He who effectually worked for Peter in his apostleship [f]to the circumcised effectually worked for me also to the Gentiles), 9 and recognizing the grace that had been given to me, [g]James and Cephas and John, who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right [h]hand of fellowship, so that we might go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised."

It is clear. Paul wrote to the Gentile church in Galatia. That is why he speaks to his past and of Judaism, whereas, if he was writing to Jews, they would already know.

Your reasoning leaves much to be desired. ALL churches were founded by Jews.

What did God say to Abraham. "In thee all the nations of the world will be blessed." That is because salvation comes to the world from/through the Jews. That is why "salvation is of the Jews". (Of the Jews, not FOR the Jews.) It comes to the world by way of the Jews.

You quote Scripture but don't understand Scripture and that is your fault. Look at the language:

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. Genesis 12:3.

...meaning his seed/descendants. Gentiles are not born from Abraham. Gentiles are born from Ham and Japheth.

And the Samaritans have their own day of salvation in Acts. As did the Gentiles (actual Gentiles). God told Peter that the Gentiles were no longer off limits, and sent Peter to Cornelius to preach to the Gentiles there. The hellenized Jews were still Jews.

You make God out to be a liar if your position is that non-Hebrew Gentiles can or are saved. What you are doing is teaching and joining Christ to harlots. Samaritans were the descendants of the ten northern kingdom tribes and at least Assyrians and other Gentiles who were conquered by Assyria.
Gentiles are the mixed heritage offspring of the two southern kingdom tribes (Judah and Benjamin) and Babylonians and Assyrians, and other Gentiles conquered by these empires.

Galatians 3: "6 [j]Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. 7 Therefore, [k]be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God [l]would justify the [m]Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “All the nations will be blessed in you.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with [n]Abraham, the believer.
So while Gentiles don't have a covenant, by faith, they fall under the Abrahamic Covenant being blessed with Abraham.

Again, look at the language, then look at the covenants themselves:

"In thee" meaning his offspring, his Hebrew offspring.

God shows us in Scripture He saves through covenant. The Mosaic Covenant is proof. Show me where the high priest left Israel, traveled to Gentile cities and towns, and offered sacrifices to atone for the Gentile's sins. So, if your interpretation is that non-Hebrew Gentiles can or are saved, then you teach Jesus changed the Law and thereby destroying the Law.

Why a new covenant? The first covenant you have is with Abraham, and for Abraham it is non-conditional. God made the covenant, Abraham did not make the covenant. With that covenant, God said that the nations of the world will be blessed in Abraham. Not just the Jews, but all the nations of the world. The Mosaic Covenant gave the Law, and by following the Law, the Jews fall under the Abrahamic covenant. By not following the Law (which is what actually happened, they didn't follow the Law) they are not under the Abrahamic covenant. Once they violated the Mosaic Covenant it was over. Or was it. God will make a new covenant to replace the violated Mosaic covenant.

Your beliefs are anti-god, anti-christ, and anti-Jesus, and anti-bible.
None of the three Hebrew covenants include non-Hebrew Gentiles.
Through your misinterpretation and misunderstanding of Scripture you make God out to be a liar.

The Abraham Covenant had ONE condition: circumcision. You are wrong here, too.

They are covered by the Abrahamic covenant by faith. That is what put Abraham himself under the Abrahamic covenant. That faith which was credited as righteousness. Not some covenant or law.

And what are the Jews, according to Paul in Ephesians?
"11 Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off [j]have been brought near [k]by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the [l]barrier of the dividing wall, 15 [m]by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might [n]make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, 16 and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, [o]by it having put to death the enmity.

Romans 11
"28 [j]From the standpoint of the gospel they [the Jews] are enemies for your sake, but [k]from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; 29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For just as you [Gentiles] once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their [The Jews] disobedience, 31 so these [the Jews] also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you [Gentiles] they [Jews] also may now be shown mercy. 32 For God has shut up all [Jews and Gentiles] in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all [Jews and Gentiles]."

The problem with you is that there is no need for a covenant. And in Acts, you can find the Gentiles receiving the Holy Spirit, and Peter actually saying that if they hadn't, they would have refused to baptize the Gentiles. However, the Gentiles not only received the Holy Spirit as the apostles and Jews did, they spoke in tongues as the apostles and Jews did. So not only are the Gentiles also believers and born again, God showed that the there is One Spirit by which we approach God. There isn't a Holy Spirit for the Jews and a Holy Spirit for the Gentiles. One Spirit. And it is because they spoke in tongues that Peter received even more ammunition to basically dare any of the Jews who came with him to refuse the water (baptism) for these Gentile believers.

Salvation was first to the Jews. It is of the Jews. Jesus was a Jew. However, the Jews rejected, so the gospel went out to the Gentiles.

There is one gospel, and it is not a covenant or the Law. It is Christ and Christ crucified. Any "other" gospel is any gospel that denies Christ, Christ's death, that Christ did not come in the flesh, etc. Any who preach such a gospel God, through Paul, condemns to hell. You are preaching another gospel. You may wish to consider what God said through Paul. Your argument isn't with Paul, for Paul wrote what God moved Paul to write through the Holy Spirit.

So you yourself fell prey to another gospel. You added a lot to the Bible. You have gone beyond the plain writing of the gospel, and considering how you talk about what Paul wrote in Romans 9-11, you PROVE that you add to the Bible. Romans 9-11 is a treatise by Paul. He isn't questioning anything. He is explaining how things are.

No need. Our salvation is in Christ. You have another gospel, you are preaching another gospel, and Paul says as such, you are anathema.

You are correct. There is no "accept Jesus into your heart" in Scripture. That is Arminianism. Calvinism has no such thing. The way it went is that the gospel came first to the Jews at Pentecost. Then it went to the Gentiles with Cornelius, showing that Gentiles would also be a part of the church. It also went out to the disciples of John, who were inducted into the church. It also went to the Samaritans who were inducted into the church. All believers. The church is not Israel. The church is the body of Christ, and is made up of all peoples and nations who believe in Jesus and are born again for their belief/faith.

A quick explanation. Hebrews was basically written to three groups of Jews/Hebrews. 1. Believers. 2. Non-believers. 3. Fence sitters in danger of apostasy which is damnation to hell. These verses are for the so called fence sitters. They have been enlightened only, having heard the truth/gospel preached. They are in the church, and have such tasted (but not partaken/eaten/been fully immersed in) the heavenly gift, and by being around those who have the Holy Ghost, were partakers of it, and they have tasted (only) the good word of God and the powers of the world to come. They are outside. They have only tasted, and are only partakers. If they reject and fall away, there is no more sacrifice for them. There is no way to renew them again to repentance, that is, bring them to the place where they either accept and call Jesus Messiah/Lord, or reject. Once they reject, there is no way for them to come back. Those that bear thorns and briars are rejected, and their end is not to become fruit trees, and bring forth herbs, but to be burned. This speaks to those who MAY, but have not yet become apostate and thus forever separated from God. Someone said it is like Pharaoh. For the first number of plagues, Pharaoh hardened himself. For the rest, God hardened Pharaoh. It reached a point where God would no longer let Pharaoh change his mind, after rejecting God's call to free His people so many times. There comes a point where one has neglected so great a salvation so many times, that God has enough.

Repentance is to salvation. And this is not returning to Judaism. Judaism is the Law, and Paul in Galations said the Law is DEATH. Those who live under the law will die by the law. Grace will not save them for they have refused grace.

There is no need for a covenant. Salvation is through Christ. Salvation is only of the Jews. Jesus did not say salvation is FOR the Jews, but OF the Jews. It comes from them, however, the gospel message of salvation is for the world. Not all will accept, but only those whom the Father has foreordained/predestined by choice to be His adopted children.

That is not true. Those in Samaria were called Samaritans. Gentiles are uncirmcised, while Jews are circumcised. Paul was clear.

That isn't what God said. Those who are blessed by Abraham are those who are of the faith, as it is by faith that Abraham came to receive the covenant from God.

Exactly. In the church all are one. It doesn't matter who or what you are. Gentile, Jew, bond, free, male, female. In the church there is no distinction. All are one in Christ. What I don't understand is how you don't get it. If you are Christ's (not if you are under some covenant), then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. And that is by faith.

This was written to Gentiles, who were facing the Judaizers who would say you have to be circumcised, and you have to be under the Law in order to be saved. Paul is saying that there message is a message of DEATH, just like your message.

Again, there is no covenant for this. This isn't even the New Covenant with Israel. That new covenant is a covenant to replace the Mosaic Covenant that Israel violated. By violating that covenant they were not blessed by Abraham. They lost their right to the Abrahamic covenant. The new covenant restores them to that covenant.

No need for a covenant. Salvation is in Christ, not some covenant.

Show me Scripture that records God making a salvation covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. While you do that tell me this Gentile's name God made covenant with.

Show me in Scripture where God promised His Spirit to non-Hebrew Gentiles. Joel says God promised His Spirit to Israel.
Only.

Go ahead. Post those passages here.

 

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Salvation is of election. God chooses.
Babies that die in the womb or after birth do not automatically go to heaven. It all depends on the good pleasure of God's will as it is with adults. God doesn't see a 'cherub-faced' innocent baby, embryo, or child. He sees either the application of the blood of Christ applied by Sovereign grace and choice of God or He sees righteousness as RAGS.

 

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What about Russians? Or Germans? Or Moabites, Hittites, or Canaanites? Why, according to your interpretation, doesn't it say these nationalities? There is neither Jew nor German...there is neither Jew or Canaanite....why only are Greeks seemingly 'joined' to Jews? What about Chinese? Or Czech, or Arab? And since "Greeks" does not mean "Gentile" what about these other peoples?

They are all Gentiles. You can look that up. The Old Testament used Gentiles to refer to those not of Jewish heritage. That is, not children/descendants of Abraham. They are "Uncircumcised" as Paul and other apostles say. The Jews/Israel are the "Circumcised". What does this mean? Circumcision means they are under the covenant. The physical sign. According to history, even the hellenistic Jews were circumcised. In fact, they tried to reverse it if they were in a situation where nakedness was practiced.

But that's not what Saul was saying. He was referring to mixed heritage Hebrews (Hellenists), that these mixed heritage Hebrews are joined to Jews through one common link: Abraham. That's what Saul means when he says, "there is neither Jew nor Greek."

Read the verse again.
"28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is [a]neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

What do you see? Opposites. Jew nor non-Jew, slave or non-slave, male or female. They are opposites. The church is made up of Gentiles and Jews. I just can't understand why you are saying that God has broken the most fundamental, most universal promise He has ever made. If you can't tell me what that is...

Since God made promise to Abraham and to his biological seed, as long as one is a descendant of Abraham, they are heirs according to the promise. The Greek people were never in any covenant with God. So, being that your interpretation is too narrow and includes only Greek people, it is dismissive of every other nationality if it refers to a people that are Greek only.

Paul fought that up and down. Not all who are of Israel are of Israel. Circumcision of the heart, which is contrary to the covenant, which is circumcision of the fleshy part... Consider what the trailblazer (John the Baptist) for Jesus said:
John 3
"7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance; 9 and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham for our father’; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham. 10 The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire."

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Galatians 3:18.

Right there Paul struck down the Law. He said that the Law has nothing to do with the promise. He is saying that the inheritance is not by the law, it is by the promise. (Genesis 22 is where the promise is, and how Abraham came to that promise.)
Galatians 3 (you should read the whole passage):
"6 [j]Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. 7 Therefore, [k]be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God [l]would justify the [m]Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “All the nations will be blessed in you.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with [n]Abraham, the believer."

Can Paul be more clear? I mean, he is VERY clear. And he says that the "Scripture" foresaw what God would do. God would justify the Gentiles by faith. Where is the covenant here? Why doesn't Paul mention it? Why is Paul only talking about faith? Why is he so set against you? look at how verse 9 ended. Abraham, the believer. The believer. FAITH.

and

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:27–29.

I see absolutely nothing about a covenant here. All it says is that those who are in Christ are Abraham's seed because they are in Christ. As such, those who are in Christ are also heirs according to the promise. I would say that for a Gentile, that means that the Gentile has been blessed in Abraham, not that they became Israel or something as heretical as that.

God made no promises to non-Hebrew Gentiles in the Old Testament Scripture.

" 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God [l]would justify the [m]Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “All the nations will be blessed in you.”

So according to Paul, the Old Testament did indeed say that salvation is for the Gentiles. And you will notice that it is by faith, which means... NOT BY COVENANT. BY FAITH.

In fact, there are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in any of the three Hebrew covenants (Abraham, Mosaic, New.) All of chapter three Saul is writing about Jews under the Law and under the Abraham Covenant. Gentiles are excluded for they were never in any of the three Hebrew covenants. So, if God is mentioning "Greek" which word is defined as "Hellen" he is referring to mixed heritage Hebrews, NOT "Gentiles" otherwise he would have used "ethnos" which is the correct word to describe "Gentiles." Besides this, God never promised His Spirit to Gentiles.

Of course not. One could read into scripture and say that if God hadn't chosen Israel and the Jews, we wouldn't be in the mess we are right now. And yes, that is facetious and loaded with heavy sarcasm, and contrary to what I believe. However, God was clear that Israel would not have been His first choice, and Jesus was constantly bringing up the stubborness of the Jewish people. (As God Himself did in the Old Testament.) Now, if you look again at the Strong's concordance and history, the word Hellen does not mean what you say it means. The nuance is that you have Jews who don't speak Greek, and the rest of the world that spoke Greek. The main point is that he was insulting both the Jew and the Greek/non-Jewish people. The Jews don't want to believe that Greeks/Gentiles can be/will be saved, so that is an insult, and the Greeks/Gentiles don't want to hear that the Jews come first. You have, in yourself, proven the first part beyond a shadow of a doubt. For me, I understand and fully accept the fact that Jews come first... in everything pertaining to God. No problem. It's just a miracle that God saves Gentiles at all... by faith. That God will call us, who are not His people, His people. (Hosea.)

I use Strong's and the KJV and the Holy Spirit.
Again, why are Greeks (people) the only people enjoined to Jews? Are Greeks the only Gentile that God has offered salvation? That makes no sense. There's one Biblical truth you ignore that makes God and Christ out to be liars. That one thing is this: God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles.
None.
So, if there's no evidence of a God-Gentile covenant in Scripture, then what is your basis for including Gentiles in God's atonement?

I John 2
"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world"

Can John, Jesus beloved disciple, put it any clearer? Jesus sacrifice is for the whole world. To the Jew, they have received from God, Hebrews, which explains why Jesus rises above covenants and sacrifices. To the Gentiles, the gospel of Christ and Christ crucified received in faith. What did Paul tell the Roman (non-Jewish) jailer, when the jailer asked what he must do to be saved? "Believe [faith] in the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved." Not just him, but him and his household/family. Now, there was more to it then that, because, if I recall, Paul spent time with the jailer, probably telling him the gospel and who Jesus is. All we know is that jailer will be in heaven.

Good Lord. Of course salvation has to do with covenant. Saul says so and so does Jesus.
Cornelius was a mixed heritage Hebrew. Gentiles didn't serve the God of Abraham. They served all kinds of false gods or stone, wood, etc.
God used the Mosaic Covenant to save Israel. Jesus taught the Jewish people from out of their Law. It is the Law that speaks of the coming Messiah. Without the Mosaic Covenant NO ONE would be saved.

Paul disagrees in every way. First of all, from my researching, Cornelius was a Roman not a Jew. Deeper research, he was an Italian serving in an Italian legion based in Caesarea, and a "God fearer" which is not a title any Jew would ever hold. That title is for Gentiles who fear God. The closest we get to what you say is that he might, though most disagree, have been a partial proselyte. There is no proof for that, however. He had a bunch of other Gentiles with him. Now as far as Peter said about another nation, I found in research that this kind of thought was recent, man-made/rabbi made rule, considering there were "foreigners" all through Israel during its history. (Foreigners/strangers/Gentiles) Some proselytized. Not only that, they had a Moabitess... GASP!!! (Ruth, great great great (how ever many greats) grandmother of... JESUS. So apparently that wasn't a big deal.

The Mosaic Covenant saves no one. You do know that the Jews broke the Mosaic covenant right? Once violated, it is gone. That is why Israel is not seeing the blessings of the promise God made to Abraham. They failed to keep the Mosaic Covenant, and thus lost their right to that promise. However, they will regain it when God makes a new covenant with them. If you read what comes with the new covenant, it is blatantly obvious that it isn't here yet. For now, the blessings of the Abrahamic promise are only for those who believe by faith, as Paul says. So believers in Christ, the one Paul says are Abraham's descendants through Isaac.

24 Wherefore the law was our [the JEWS] schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Galatians 3:23–24.\

You assume much. Paul is writing to GENTILES, because this is a GENTILE church. He founded it, but it is a Gentile church in a Gentile nation. He is writing to thwart the actions of the Judaizers who would force them to be circumcised and to put themselves under the law, which Paul says would consign them to death. Those who are under the law, die under the law. Basically the Judaizers were saying that in order to be Christians, they had to proselytize and become Jews.
Instead Paul says, leave the law, pursue Christ in faith and find life. The church council in Acts rejected this. James (and if anyone helped him, them too) basically said the Gentiles just needed to follow a few commands and all would be well with them. One's that would set oneself against God.
Here is Paul again saying it is faith. You were imprisoned under the law until faith was revealed.
"23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed."

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Romans 9:4–5.

The above passage describes the totality of the Lord's salvation and ONLY the Israelites possess it.

That is a lie. Consider the rest of the passage. The reason you say totality is so that you can trample on God's Holy Word if I bbring up a different passage, which, here is one you trampled on.
Romans 9
"23 And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles. 25 As He says also in Hosea,

“I will call those who were not My people, ‘My people,’
And her who was not beloved, ‘beloved.’”
26 “And it shall be that in the place where it was said to them, ‘you are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”

27 Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, “Though the number of the sons of Israel be like the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that will be saved; 28 for the Lord will execute His word on the earth, [o]thoroughly and [p]quickly.” 29 And just as Isaiah foretold,

“Unless the Lord of [q]Sabaoth had left to us a [r]posterity,
We would have become like Sodom, and would have resembled Gomorrah.”

30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is [t]by faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. 32 Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were [v]by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, 33 just as it is written,

“Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense,
And he who believes in Him will not be [w]disappointed.”

Who are those who are not God's people? Anyone and everyone not under the covenant. The us in "even us, is speaking of the church. So those who make up/are in the church came not from among the Jews only, but also from among the Gentiles.

Contradiction.
Through the Holy Spirit Saul directs Jewish Christians to the Law. The Law was not 'death.' What an antichristian thing to say. Too much false Gentile theology you've been indoctrinated in that Scripture means nothing to you. But that's the danger of regurgitation other peoples' bible studies.

Read Galatians. Paul was moving the church away from the Law and to Christ, who was the fulfillment of the law. The law is death in that if you live under the law, you will die under the law. No one can keep the law. The moment you break one law, you have broken them all. The penalty is death, and only way to clear that penalty... is to die. Jesus fulfilled the Law that consigns to death, by His death... on the cross. He didn't abolish the law so that it no longer exists, he fulfilled the law by His death. He became our death that we might live.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Timothy 3:16–17.

The "All Scripture" Saul mentions are the Old Testament Law, Psalms, and Prophets. So, obeying the Law is not death. Saul instructs Christians TO THE LAW and the Psalms, and the Prophets so that one is thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

The All Scripture Paul mentions is All Scripture. God had Him write that you know. Where does it say that this scripture leads to life? It doesn't. However, one can find life in its pages, except... those are the pages which you say are not "All Scripture". The New Testament. Jesus said that He is the Bread of Life. John said He is the Word of God, and He is God. Jesus also said He is the Water of Life. Also, you do know by continuing to call Paul Saul, you bring God into question right? Who changed Saul's name to Paul? GOD DID. You insult both God and Paul by not using his God given name which reflects his salvation, and the fact that he (Paul) is a new creature. New creature, new name.

The Galatian church was founded by Jews. ALL the churches were founded by Jews.

That doesn't mean anything. A lot of churches in Africa were founded by foreign missionaries. However, they are still African churches.

The Holy Spirit revealed the Old Testament to Saul. I get the same revelation as Saul did as do others who study under the anointing.

Apparently you missed the revelation where God himself changed Saul's name to Paul, since Saul's name was the name of the world's worst sinner. You insult both God and Paul by saying Saul. Are you implying that God never changed him?

Your reasoning leaves much to be desired. ALL churches were founded by Jews.
You quote Scripture but don't understand Scripture and that is your fault. Look at the language:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. Genesis 12:3.

...meaning his seed/descendants. Gentiles are not born from Abraham. Gentiles are born from Ham and Japheth.

Not sure where you got that from, but here is the ACTUAL promise: Genesis 22 "18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice." I understand your strong desire to make God say something other then what He said, and say that is final. It isn't. Please stop.

You make God out to be a liar if your position is that non-Hebrew Gentiles can or are saved.

Non-Hebrew Gentiles, as Paul said, are justified by faith. Nothing to do with a covenant. It all has to do with the promise made to Abraham in Genesis 22. That is also where it says that God credited Abraham's FAITH as RIGHTEOUSNESS. That is salvation right there. Abraham's righteousness and ultimate salvation had nothing to do with the covenant God made, and everything to do with Abraham's FAITH.

What you are doing is teaching and joining Christ to harlots. Samaritans were the descendants of the ten northern kingdom tribes and at least Assyrians and other Gentiles who were conquered by Assyria.
Gentiles are the mixed heritage offspring of the two southern kingdom tribes (Judah and Benjamin) and Babylonians and Assyrians, and other Gentiles conquered by these empires.

You may need to pray long and hard for forgiveness from Christ. It's a good thing He said that all sins committed against Him and the Father can/will be forgiven. Jews are from Judah and Benjamin. When you read who returned from Babylon and Assyrian (of which there are a few places this is mentioned) who returned? JEWS not Gentiles. The "circumcised" not the "uncircumcised". Even the Hellenistic Jews were circumcised. They tried to hide it, but they were circumcised. That would be another hit against you saying they are the "uncircumcised Greeks".

Again, look at the language, then look at the covenants themselves:

"In thee" meaning his offspring, his Hebrew offspring.

Yes in thee shall all the nations of the Earth, or in the case of this passage, I think it said all the families of the Earth, will be blessed.

God shows us in Scripture He saves through covenant. The Mosaic Covenant is proof.

The Jews broke the Mosaic Covenant. There is no more Mosaic Covenant. That is why God is going to make a new covenant with Israel. However, if you look at what comes with that new covenant, one can see that it has not been made yet. I believe that that will be the covenant at the start of the millennial kingdom, where Jesus is High Priest and King, as shown by the prophet Zechariah.

Show me where the high priest left Israel, traveled to Gentile cities and towns, and offered sacrifices to atone for the Gentile's sins. So, if your interpretation is that non-Hebrew Gentiles can or are saved, then you teach Jesus changed the Law and thereby destroying the Law.

Tell me you don't get it by saying you don't get it. The atonement sacrifice of the covenant was for Israel alone. However, Jesus, whom you are belittling here, was offered up not only for Israel, but for the whole world. John the beloved disciples of Christ tells us that in I John 2, as has already been posted above.

Your beliefs are anti-god, anti-christ, and anti-Jesus, and anti-bible.

Your beliefs make you anathema according to Paul, pushing against the gospel that Paul taught, which was Christ and Christ crucified. The Bible is clear that the covenant and promises have nothing to do with salvation, but that it is FAITH that brings salvation/righteousness.

None of the three Hebrew covenants include non-Hebrew Gentiles.

And nothing says they had to. Nothing at all. Give one passage of scripture that in explicit language says that salvation is by covenant, and NOT BY FAITH. As long as you say it is based on covenant it cannot be based on faith. So please, do share. And it has to be New Testament. Everything you say about the covenant is making this a salvation based on works. Your gospel is also NOT what Paul said it is to be, which is Christ and Christ crucified. Paul said if anyone, they or even an angel were to preach a different gospel then Paul taught, let them be accursed of God/anathema/damned to hell (the meaning of anathema).

Through your misinterpretation and misunderstanding of Scripture you make God out to be a liar.

All I have seen from you is misinterpretation and misunderstanding of Scripture.

The Abraham Covenant had ONE condition: circumcision. You are wrong here, too.

"13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.

14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

So apparently circumcision has nothing to do with salvation. (nor uncircumcision). Only being a new creature. The old has passed away, behold all things are now new. Somehow you don't seem to believe that, constantly calling one so blessed by God to have his name changed to Paul, Saul, the name of the worst sinner (according to Paul.)

Show me Scripture that records God making a salvation covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. While you do that tell me this Gentile's name God made covenant with.

Why? It availeth nothing. Salvation is by faith, Paul is clear.

Show me in Scripture where God promised His Spirit to non-Hebrew Gentiles. Joel says God promised His Spirit to Israel.

All you have to do is read about the Italian Roman guy named Cornelius, who was a "fearer of God" a title not used for Jews. A non-Jewish Gentile who feared God, which is not at all against scripture. Naaman was the same. Nebuchadnezzar even feared God, but I would not at all call him a Jew, or believe he was saved in any way. His fear came from God personally dealing with him. They received the Holy Spirit, and basically to show they are different, and not Jewish, they spoke in tongues. It was also to show that these Jews and Gentiles were a part of the same church, unified in Christ's body. They did not become a part of the covenant, they were only saved.

 

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They are all Gentiles. You can look that up. The Old Testament used Gentiles to refer to those not of Jewish heritage. That is, not children/descendants of Abraham. They are "Uncircumcised" as Paul and other apostles say. The Jews/Israel are the "Circumcised". What does this mean? Circumcision means they are under the covenant. The physical sign. According to history, even the hellenistic Jews were circumcised. In fact, they tried to reverse it if they were in a situation where nakedness was practiced.

Read the verse again.
"28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is [a]neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

What do you see? Opposites. Jew nor non-Jew, slave or non-slave, male or female. They are opposites. The church is made up of Gentiles and Jews. I just can't understand why you are saying that God has broken the most fundamental, most universal promise He has ever made. If you can't tell me what that is...

Paul fought that up and down. Not all who are of Israel are of Israel. Circumcision of the heart, which is contrary to the covenant, which is circumcision of the fleshy part... Consider what the trailblazer (John the Baptist) for Jesus said:
John 3
"7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance; 9 and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham for our father’; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham. 10 The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire."

Right there Paul struck down the Law. He said that the Law has nothing to do with the promise. He is saying that the inheritance is not by the law, it is by the promise. (Genesis 22 is where the promise is, and how Abraham came to that promise.)
Galatians 3 (you should read the whole passage):
"6 [j]Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. 7 Therefore, [k]be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God [l]would justify the [m]Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “All the nations will be blessed in you.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with [n]Abraham, the believer."

Can Paul be more clear? I mean, he is VERY clear. And he says that the "Scripture" foresaw what God would do. God would justify the Gentiles by faith. Where is the covenant here? Why doesn't Paul mention it? Why is Paul only talking about faith? Why is he so set against you? look at how verse 9 ended. Abraham, the believer. The believer. FAITH.

I see absolutely nothing about a covenant here. All it says is that those who are in Christ are Abraham's seed because they are in Christ. As such, those who are in Christ are also heirs according to the promise. I would say that for a Gentile, that means that the Gentile has been blessed in Abraham, not that they became Israel or something as heretical as that.

" 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God [l]would justify the [m]Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “All the nations will be blessed in you.”

So according to Paul, the Old Testament did indeed say that salvation is for the Gentiles. And you will notice that it is by faith, which means... NOT BY COVENANT. BY FAITH.

Of course not. One could read into scripture and say that if God hadn't chosen Israel and the Jews, we wouldn't be in the mess we are right now. And yes, that is facetious and loaded with heavy sarcasm, and contrary to what I believe. However, God was clear that Israel would not have been His first choice, and Jesus was constantly bringing up the stubborness of the Jewish people. (As God Himself did in the Old Testament.) Now, if you look again at the Strong's concordance and history, the word Hellen does not mean what you say it means. The nuance is that you have Jews who don't speak Greek, and the rest of the world that spoke Greek. The main point is that he was insulting both the Jew and the Greek/non-Jewish people. The Jews don't want to believe that Greeks/Gentiles can be/will be saved, so that is an insult, and the Greeks/Gentiles don't want to hear that the Jews come first. You have, in yourself, proven the first part beyond a shadow of a doubt. For me, I understand and fully accept the fact that Jews come first... in everything pertaining to God. No problem. It's just a miracle that God saves Gentiles at all... by faith. That God will call us, who are not His people, His people. (Hosea.)

I John 2
"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world"

Can John, Jesus beloved disciple, put it any clearer? Jesus sacrifice is for the whole world. To the Jew, they have received from God, Hebrews, which explains why Jesus rises above covenants and sacrifices. To the Gentiles, the gospel of Christ and Christ crucified received in faith. What did Paul tell the Roman (non-Jewish) jailer, when the jailer asked what he must do to be saved? "Believe [faith] in the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved." Not just him, but him and his household/family. Now, there was more to it then that, because, if I recall, Paul spent time with the jailer, probably telling him the gospel and who Jesus is. All we know is that jailer will be in heaven.

Paul disagrees in every way. First of all, from my researching, Cornelius was a Roman not a Jew. Deeper research, he was an Italian serving in an Italian legion based in Caesarea, and a "God fearer" which is not a title any Jew would ever hold. That title is for Gentiles who fear God. The closest we get to what you say is that he might, though most disagree, have been a partial proselyte. There is no proof for that, however. He had a bunch of other Gentiles with him. Now as far as Peter said about another nation, I found in research that this kind of thought was recent, man-made/rabbi made rule, considering there were "foreigners" all through Israel during its history. (Foreigners/strangers/Gentiles) Some proselytized. Not only that, they had a Moabitess... GASP!!! (Ruth, great great great (how ever many greats) grandmother of... JESUS. So apparently that wasn't a big deal.

The Mosaic Covenant saves no one. You do know that the Jews broke the Mosaic covenant right? Once violated, it is gone. That is why Israel is not seeing the blessings of the promise God made to Abraham. They failed to keep the Mosaic Covenant, and thus lost their right to that promise. However, they will regain it when God makes a new covenant with them. If you read what comes with the new covenant, it is blatantly obvious that it isn't here yet. For now, the blessings of the Abrahamic promise are only for those who believe by faith, as Paul says. So believers in Christ, the one Paul says are Abraham's descendants through Isaac.

You assume much. Paul is writing to GENTILES, because this is a GENTILE church. He founded it, but it is a Gentile church in a Gentile nation. He is writing to thwart the actions of the Judaizers who would force them to be circumcised and to put themselves under the law, which Paul says would consign them to death. Those who are under the law, die under the law. Basically the Judaizers were saying that in order to be Christians, they had to proselytize and become Jews.
Instead Paul says, leave the law, pursue Christ in faith and find life. The church council in Acts rejected this. James (and if anyone helped him, them too) basically said the Gentiles just needed to follow a few commands and all would be well with them. One's that would set oneself against God.
Here is Paul again saying it is faith. You were imprisoned under the law until faith was revealed.
"23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed."

That is a lie. Consider the rest of the passage. The reason you say totality is so that you can trample on God's Holy Word if I bbring up a different passage, which, here is one you trampled on.
Romans 9
"23 And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles. 25 As He says also in Hosea,

“I will call those who were not My people, ‘My people,’
And her who was not beloved, ‘beloved.’”
26 “And it shall be that in the place where it was said to them, ‘you are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”

27 Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, “Though the number of the sons of Israel be like the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that will be saved; 28 for the Lord will execute His word on the earth, [o]thoroughly and [p]quickly.” 29 And just as Isaiah foretold,

“Unless the Lord of [q]Sabaoth had left to us a [r]posterity,
We would have become like Sodom, and would have resembled Gomorrah.”

30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is [t]by faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. 32 Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were [v]by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, 33 just as it is written,

“Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense,
And he who believes in Him will not be [w]disappointed.”

Who are those who are not God's people? Anyone and everyone not under the covenant. The us in "even us, is speaking of the church. So those who make up/are in the church came not from among the Jews only, but also from among the Gentiles.

Read Galatians. Paul was moving the church away from the Law and to Christ, who was the fulfillment of the law. The law is death in that if you live under the law, you will die under the law. No one can keep the law. The moment you break one law, you have broken them all. The penalty is death, and only way to clear that penalty... is to die. Jesus fulfilled the Law that consigns to death, by His death... on the cross. He didn't abolish the law so that it no longer exists, he fulfilled the law by His death. He became our death that we might live.

The All Scripture Paul mentions is All Scripture. God had Him write that you know. Where does it say that this scripture leads to life? It doesn't. However, one can find life in its pages, except... those are the pages which you say are not "All Scripture". The New Testament. Jesus said that He is the Bread of Life. John said He is the Word of God, and He is God. Jesus also said He is the Water of Life. Also, you do know by continuing to call Paul Saul, you bring God into question right? Who changed Saul's name to Paul? GOD DID. You insult both God and Paul by not using his God given name which reflects his salvation, and the fact that he (Paul) is a new creature. New creature, new name.

That doesn't mean anything. A lot of churches in Africa were founded by foreign missionaries. However, they are still African churches.

Apparently you missed the revelation where God himself changed Saul's name to Paul, since Saul's name was the name of the world's worst sinner. You insult both God and Paul by saying Saul. Are you implying that God never changed him?

Not sure where you got that from, but here is the ACTUAL promise: Genesis 22 "18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice." I understand your strong desire to make God say something other then what He said, and say that is final. It isn't. Please stop.

Non-Hebrew Gentiles, as Paul said, are justified by faith. Nothing to do with a covenant. It all has to do with the promise made to Abraham in Genesis 22. That is also where it says that God credited Abraham's FAITH as RIGHTEOUSNESS. That is salvation right there. Abraham's righteousness and ultimate salvation had nothing to do with the covenant God made, and everything to do with Abraham's FAITH.

You may need to pray long and hard for forgiveness from Christ. It's a good thing He said that all sins committed against Him and the Father can/will be forgiven. Jews are from Judah and Benjamin. When you read who returned from Babylon and Assyrian (of which there are a few places this is mentioned) who returned? JEWS not Gentiles. The "circumcised" not the "uncircumcised". Even the Hellenistic Jews were circumcised. They tried to hide it, but they were circumcised. That would be another hit against you saying they are the "uncircumcised Greeks".

Yes in thee shall all the nations of the Earth, or in the case of this passage, I think it said all the families of the Earth, will be blessed.

The Jews broke the Mosaic Covenant. There is no more Mosaic Covenant. That is why God is going to make a new covenant with Israel. However, if you look at what comes with that new covenant, one can see that it has not been made yet. I believe that that will be the covenant at the start of the millennial kingdom, where Jesus is High Priest and King, as shown by the prophet Zechariah.

Tell me you don't get it by saying you don't get it. The atonement sacrifice of the covenant was for Israel alone. However, Jesus, whom you are belittling here, was offered up not only for Israel, but for the whole world. John the beloved disciples of Christ tells us that in I John 2, as has already been posted above.

Your beliefs make you anathema according to Paul, pushing against the gospel that Paul taught, which was Christ and Christ crucified. The Bible is clear that the covenant and promises have nothing to do with salvation, but that it is FAITH that brings salvation/righteousness.

And nothing says they had to. Nothing at all. Give one passage of scripture that in explicit language says that salvation is by covenant, and NOT BY FAITH. As long as you say it is based on covenant it cannot be based on faith. So please, do share. And it has to be New Testament. Everything you say about the covenant is making this a salvation based on works. Your gospel is also NOT what Paul said it is to be, which is Christ and Christ crucified. Paul said if anyone, they or even an angel were to preach a different gospel then Paul taught, let them be accursed of God/anathema/damned to hell (the meaning of anathema).

All I have seen from you is misinterpretation and misunderstanding of Scripture.

"13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.

14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

So apparently circumcision has nothing to do with salvation. (nor uncircumcision). Only being a new creature. The old has passed away, behold all things are now new. Somehow you don't seem to believe that, constantly calling one so blessed by God to have his name changed to Paul, Saul, the name of the worst sinner (according to Paul.)

Why? It availeth nothing. Salvation is by faith, Paul is clear.

All you have to do is read about the Italian Roman guy named Cornelius, who was a "fearer of God" a title not used for Jews. A non-Jewish Gentile who feared God, which is not at all against scripture. Naaman was the same. Nebuchadnezzar even feared God, but I would not at all call him a Jew, or believe he was saved in any way. His fear came from God personally dealing with him. They received the Holy Spirit, and basically to show they are different, and not Jewish, they spoke in tongues. It was also to show that these Jews and Gentiles were a part of the same church, unified in Christ's body. They did not become a part of the covenant, they were only saved.

The Scripture describes Abram and Sarai as both from the family line of Eber, of whom the Hebrew people see as the parents of the Hebrew people.. There was a reason Jews were prejudiced against mixed heritage Hebrews that had a Gentile as a parent. An honest reading of the three Hebrew covenants God made with this people through Abram is as follows. God made a covenant with Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13) and his Hebrew seed. Sarai was Abram's half-sister and he married her. Their children would be born from two Hebrew parents and the covenant God made with Abram is as follows:

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. Genesis 12:3.

"In thee" is a reference specifically to Abram's seed or descendants. Since Abram is the possessor of this covenant and God declares that he will bless him and his seed the Hebrew people are not wrong to follow the dictates of this covenant for God declares its boundaries and has every right to do so.

4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. Genesis 15:4.

The birth of Ishmael bears this out. Abram wanted an heir and God says that it will be from his own bowels that the promise of heirship follows. We now know that the promise of heirship did not fall on Ishmael, but by virtue of his birth and his being a seed or descendant of Abram that God will bless him and as we read on in Genesis this is what happen. Saul, a rabbi, and Pharisee says this in his letters.

30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. Galatians 4:30–31.

Do you dispute this?

Furthermore, God again declares the covenant of heirship is to pass to Isaac who was a true Hebrew of Hebrews being born of two Hebrew parents.

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Genesis 17:7.

and

19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. Genesis 17:19.

Many hold that Abram had faith and I agree. But his faith failed him when he sought to bring about an heir through his own actions that involved a slave and an Egyptian, Hagar, through whom was born Ishmael, a son of a bondwoman.

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Romans 9:6–8.

Saul makes this distinction between Ishmael and Isaac above. The righteousness which is of faith concerns Abram going up a mountain to sacrifice Isaac in obedience to God. Instead of waiting on God for an heir Abram took it upon himself to force out an heir in disobedience to God. That one sin (Abram and Hagar) may have been legal according to their present culture, it is NOT what God instructed and what God declared. In short, God's covenant with Abram and Sarai was that their offspring is where the promise of heirship lies - with Isaac, a Hebrew child of two Hebrew parents. THAT was the covenant God established with Abram and Sarai. Abram asked for an heir and then through their own mischief Sarai gave her slave-girl, Hagar, to Abram to bring about an heir. This sin complicated matters but God overcame their sin with the birth of Isaac which was the child through whom God's promises would be inherited. But because of the infection in your thinking, you cannot see this. But by saying "in thee" (Abram) God provides a way in which He was to overcome the frailty of Abram and his disobedience to bring about a solution that would restore the original covenant between God, Abram (and Sarai.) It was never through seeds as of many, but of Seed of One: Jesus Christ. By virtue of this covenant in its original form, God made a way to address Abram's future sin (of Hagar) by declaring blessing upon Abram's descendants through Hagar (Ishmael, and later, Esau.)

At the time of the Abrahamic Covenant God made with Abram, the word "nations" did not mean "Gentile" (non-Hebrew), for it is biologically impossible for two Hebrew parents to birth a non-Hebrew child. God made a way to overcome Abram's sin that would include "Gentiles" but only if that Gentile is also connected to Abram through his seed (mixed heritage.) This is why through God-ordained Kinsman-Redeemer command in the Law that Jesus Christ has a non-Hebrew Gentile in His ancestry (Ruth.) In time, the Hebrews understood their covenant with God was through Abram and Sarai and not through Abram and Hagar. Saul understood this, which is why he spent some time on this issue in his letters. This is why God included the seed of Joseph in Manassas and Ephraim as also being included in blessing if not through covenant for the promise of heirship went through Isaac and not Ishmael.

There is more to say but our discussion has nothing to do with the OP and I will say this and walk away. If you want to continue this, go to one of my many threads in the "Law" forum, the "New Covenant" forum, etc., and we can continue there. The strict sense of the Abraham Covenant was between God, Abram the Hebrew (and Sarai the Hebrew), and their Hebrew seed. Isaac married in the family as did Jacob except Jacob had sons also through Rachel and Leah's servants. Whether Bilhah and Zilpah were solid Hebrew it doesn't say, and I don't think I want to guess. But by this time Abram already had children through Hagar (Ishmael) and there is distinction between blessing and covenant. One birth had only blessing (Ishmael and Esau), and the other had blessing and covenant (Isaac and Jacob.)

If you are a true, born-again Christian, then you must come to realize that most likely there would have to be at least one Hebrew parent in your ancestry as there is in mine for God never promised the Holy Spirit of Promise to non-Hebrew Gentiles and one needs the Holy Spirit to be saved. It is a Promise of God through several prophets (Joel, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, etc.) But from my reading of Scripture there is no covenant made between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles. Nor do I read in Scripture God promising His Spirit to non-Hebrew Gentiles. None.

The middle wall partition is another point of discussion. Also, once you realize that half-Jew/half-Gentile (and other DNA mixtures in-between) God has made two (Jews and mixed heritage Jews) into one. Once you realize that God made no covenants with non-Hebrew Gentiles then the truth, as promised, will set you free, and the delusion that God Himself will send upon the earth is the false teaching that non-Hebrew Gentiles can become or are saved.
If God made covenant with Hebrews and God promised His Spirit to Hebrews, then where does this "Gentile" talk come from? It comes from wrong thinking and not accepting the truth that God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew and his Hebrew seed, NOT with non-Hebrew Gentiles.

 

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The Scripture describes Abram and Sarai as both from the family line of Eber, of whom the Hebrew people see as the parents of the Hebrew people.. There was a reason Jews were prejudiced against mixed heritage Hebrews that had a Gentile as a parent. An honest reading of the three Hebrew covenants God made with this people through Abram is as follows. God made a covenant with Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13) and his Hebrew seed. Sarai was Abram's half-sister and he married her. Their children would be born from two Hebrew parents and the covenant God made with Abram is as follows:

Abraham was the first Hebrew. Sarah would also be the first Hebrew because she was Abraham's wife. Semitic lineage isn't drawn back to Sarah, but back to Abraham. Hence the Palestinians are also semitic people, being from Ishmael. Given what God said of the children of Ishmael, the Palestinians fit like a glove. There is a reason why the other Arab countries don't want to absorb any Palestinians anymore. They can't control them. They are inherently violent, and if something goes wrong and the Palestinians don't like it, they can strike out violently, whereas other people like negotiations and talking.

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. Genesis 12:3.

Why do you keep leaving out the last part? "SHALL ALL THE FAMILIES OF EARTH BE BLESSED." This is why Satan seeks to destroy Israel. First of all it is because the salvation of the world is OF Israel. It came forth from Israel, through Christ. Hence in Revelation you read of the woman giving birth while the great dragon awaits to devour the child. That woman is Israel, and that child is Jesus. Satan continuously attempts to destroy Christ, but when he fails, he turns on God's people instead. The end of time will be Satan's last effort to destroy Israel and thus defeat God and His promises. It won't happen, as God will defend Jerusalem on that day. (See Zechariah.)

"In thee" is a reference specifically to Abram's seed or descendants. Since Abram is the possessor of this covenant and God declares that he will bless him and his seed the Hebrew people are not wrong to follow the dictates of this covenant for God declares its boundaries and has every right to do so.

However, you missed the whole point of the verse, which is what comes after. All the families of the world (the whole population of the world) will be blessed... because of Abraham's faith, and through his descendants. If you understood the purpose of God choosing Israel as His chosen people, you would understand what this verse means. To the full extent, the full blessing that comes to the world from/of Israel is Jesus Christ and salvation. The world has truly been blessed, for those who believe in Christ by faith.

4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. Genesis 15:4.

Using these verses makes no sense. You are not making any rational sense.

The birth of Ishmael bears this out. Abram wanted an heir and God says that it will be from his own bowels that the promise of heirship follows. We now know that the promise of heirship did not fall on Ishmael, but by virtue of his birth and his being a seed or descendant of Abram that God will bless him and as we read on in Genesis this is what happen. Saul, a rabbi, and Pharisee says this in his letters.

30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. Galatians 4:30–31.

Galatians 3:
"6 Just as Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness. 7 Therefore, recognize that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God [j]would justify the [k]Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS will be blessed in you.” 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed with [l]Abraham, the believer."

Please point out where the word COVENANT is present in any of this. This speaks to the gospel message, which Paul says is Christ and Christ crucified. There is no addition to that. As he said to the non-Jewish Gentile jailer, "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."

In writing to non-Jewish Gentiles and Jews in Galatia he said:
"26 For you are all sons and daughters of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is [ak]neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you [al]belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s [am]descendants, heirs according to promise."

So you will see that it doesn't say, if you belong to some covenant then you are Abraham's descendants, but if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, not according to covenant, but according to promise. That promise says that in Abraham's descendants, all the families, all the nations of the world, will be blessed. That blessing comes from Christ, which Paul said is the seed of Abraham.

Do you dispute this?

"21 Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the Law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and one by the free woman. 23 But the son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. 24 [t]This is speaking allegorically, for these women are two covenants: one coming from Mount Sinai giving birth to children who are to be slaves; [v]she is Hagar. 25 Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is enslaved with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free; [w]she is our mother.

This is not speaking of earthly Jerusalem but the Jerusalem above. Spiritual, as you see later in this same passage. Haggar is presented as "The Law" and the Mosaic Covenant from mount Sinai. If you are under the Mosaic Covenant and The Law, then, according to Paul, you are a slave to them. (Mosaic Covenant and the Law.)

"28 And you [non-Jewish Gentiles and Jews], brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 But as at that time the son who was born according to the flesh persecuted the one who was born according to the Spirit, so it is even now. 30 But what does the Scripture say?

“Drive out the slave woman and her son,
For the son of the slave woman shall not be an heir with the son of the free woman.”

31 So then, brothers and sisters, we are not children of a slave woman, but of the free woman."

What does that mean? If you are under the Mosaic Covenant and the Law, and that is your claim, you shall not be an heir with the son of the free woman. Again, Paul wrote Galatians to protect the church from the Judaizers who would tell them they have to be circumcised, and follow the Law in order to be saved. Christ is not enough. They have to put themselves under the covenant. Paul is saying... you do not. Faith is where it is at.

Furthermore, God again declares the covenant of heirship is to pass to Isaac who was a true Hebrew of Hebrews being born of two Hebrew parents.

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Genesis 17:7.

That covenant is the covenant of circumcision:
Genesis 17
"9 God said further to Abraham, “Now as for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations. 10 This is My covenant, which you shall keep, between Me and you and your [j]descendants after you: every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 And you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you. 12 And every male among you who is eight days old shall be circumcised throughout your generations, including a slave who is born in the house or who is bought with money from any foreigner, who is not of your [k]descendants. 13 A slave who is born in your house or who is bought with your money shall certainly be circumcised; so My covenant shall be in your flesh as an everlasting covenant. 14 But as for an uncircumcised male, one who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.”

So that means, uncircumcised people, automatically, have no covenant. Paul calls the Gentiles the "Uncircumcised". That means that they are not of the covenant, according to Genesis 17. Once one has broke the covenant, there is no way to undo that. They will forever be covenant breakers. It doesn't matter if they get circumcised later. Abraham and those with him are the only ones "grandfathered" into the covenant, as it was just given. I err, as there is another group that can also ENTER into the covenant, and those are proselytes. People who are non-Jewish Gentiles/foreigners/strangers, who get circumcised and take up Judaism.

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19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. Genesis 17:19.

Many hold that Abram had faith and I agree. But his faith failed him when he sought to bring about an heir through his own actions that involved a slave and an Egyptian, Hagar, through whom was born Ishmael, a son of a bondwoman.

If all do not hold Abraham had faith, then there are a lot of people in the wrong. Abraham had faith. His faith was strong. It was also presented AFTER Ishmael, so no, the faith we learn about that existed in Abraham did not fail with Hagar. That faith was shown when God commanded Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. Abraham was going to do it. Why? He believed God wholeheartedly, and knew that if he sacrificed Isaac, God would have to resurrect Isaac in order to fulfill the promise He made with Abraham. He was going to sacrifice Isaac, and God knew it. No hesitation because he believed with all his heart that God would fulfill his promise even with God commanding Abraham to sacrifice his son. Now THAT is faith.

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Romans 9:6–8.

Saul makes this distinction between Ishmael and Isaac above. The righteousness which is of faith concerns Abram going up a mountain to sacrifice Isaac in obedience to God. Instead of waiting on God for an heir Abram took it upon himself to force out an heir in disobedience to God. That one sin (Abram and Hagar) may have been legal according to their present culture, it is NOT what God instructed and what God declared. In short, God's covenant with Abram and Sarai was that their offspring is where the promise of heirship lies - with Isaac, a Hebrew child of two Hebrew parents. THAT was the covenant God established with Abram and Sarai. Abram asked for an heir and then through their own mischief Sarai gave her slave-girl, Hagar, to Abram to bring about an heir. This sin complicated matters but God overcame their sin with the birth of Isaac which was the child through whom God's promises would be inherited. But because of the infection in your thinking, you cannot see this. But by saying "in thee" (Abram) God provides a way in which He was to overcome the frailty of Abram and his disobedience to bring about a solution that would restore the original covenant between God, Abram (and Sarai.) It was never through seeds as of many, but of Seed of One: Jesus Christ. By virtue of this covenant in its original form, God made a way to address Abram's future sin (of Hagar) by declaring blessing upon Abram's descendants through Hagar (Ishmael, and later, Esau.)

No. And still insulting God by calling Paul Saul. It is PAUL. GOD HIMSELF changed His name. GOD HIMSELF said that he would now be known as Paul. Why do you fight against God? The distinction above is NOT between Ishmael and Isaac. You missed the point Paul made in Galatians. Those who see themselves under the Mosaic Covenant and the Law are the ones who are the children of Hagaar in Paul's allegory. Paul is saying that not all who are in Israel are children of God, as in saved/born again in Christ. Those who are Christ's by faith are in Isaac. Those who are in the law and in the covenant, are of Hagaar. They are slaves to the law and the covenant. You do not understand at all. The covenant God made with Abraham, more like to Abraham, is to him, so obviously it would speak to "in thee". It wouldn't be a covenant with Abraham if it did not. The whole world is blessed in Christ, a descendant of Abraham, and the covenant states that in you descendants, the nations of the world will be blessed. God knew exactly what He meant when He said Abraham's descendants. The covenant would automatically reflect that.

At the time of the Abrahamic Covenant God made with Abram, the word "nations" did not mean "Gentile" (non-Hebrew), for it is biologically impossible for two Hebrew parents to birth a non-Hebrew child. God made a way to overcome Abram's sin that would include "Gentiles" but only if that Gentile is also connected to Abram through his seed (mixed heritage.) This is why through God-ordained Kinsman-Redeemer command in the Law that Jesus Christ has a non-Hebrew Gentile in His ancestry (Ruth.) In time, the Hebrews understood their covenant with God was through Abram and Sarai and not through Abram and Hagar. Saul understood this, which is why he spent some time on this issue in his letters. This is why God included the seed of Joseph in Manassas and Ephraim as also being included in blessing if not through covenant for the promise of heirship went through Isaac and not Ishmael.

You really are ignorant and arrogant. The word nations meant... nations. It wasn't speaking to the present, but to the future. The nations of the world (future) would be blessed. And yes, it includes ALL NATIONS, even non-Jewish/Hebrew people/Gentiles. BTW, Ruth when full proselyte when she said that your people will be my people, and your God, my God. Again, Paul was not literally talking about Hagaar and Isaac, and covenants as you say, but he specifically said that he is speaking allegorically. Those of Hagaar, are those under the Law and the covenant. Those of Isaac are of faith, as is stated so many times by Paul.

If you are a true, born-again Christian, then you must come to realize that most likely there would have to be at least one Hebrew parent in your ancestry as there is in mine for God never promised the Holy Spirit of Promise to non-Hebrew Gentiles and one needs the Holy Spirit to be saved. It is a Promise of God through several prophets (Joel, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, etc.) But from my reading of Scripture there is no covenant made between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles. Nor do I read in Scripture God promising His Spirit to non-Hebrew Gentiles. None.

You have already stated that it is impossible for someone like me, perhaps even you, to be a born-again Christian. And no, nowhere in the Bible does Paul say you have to have a Jew in your ancestry. NOWHERE. There does not need to be a covenant. Salvation is by faith not covenant. BY promise not covenant. Promise came before the law as Paul says. He said 490 years prior. And Paul also said that the SCRIPTURES (which you say include the Old Testament) foretell of God saving Gentiles BY FAITH. Abraham was not saved by the covenant. It states that God credited Abraham's faith as righteousness.

The middle wall partition is another point of discussion. Also, once you realize that half-Jew/half-Gentile (and other DNA mixtures in-between) God has made two (Jews and mixed heritage Jews) into one. Once you realize that God made no covenants with non-Hebrew Gentiles then the truth, as promised, will set you free, and the delusion that God Himself will send upon the earth is the false teaching that non-Hebrew Gentiles can become or are saved.
If God made covenant with Hebrews and God promised His Spirit to Hebrews, then where does this "Gentile" talk come from? It comes from wrong thinking and not accepting the truth that God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew and his Hebrew seed, NOT with non-Hebrew Gentiles.

If you are uncircumcised, you are a covenant breaker. You cannot be a part of the covenant. (Unless you are a non-hebrew Gentile with no Hebrew parentage seeking to proselytize.) Again, God said that the nations of the world (non-Hebrew Gentiles) would be blessed in his descendants. (Because it speaks to the FUTURE.) BTW, who was Melchizedek?

 

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Abraham was the first Hebrew. Sarah would also be the first Hebrew because she was Abraham's wife. Semitic lineage isn't drawn back to Sarah, but back to Abraham. Hence the Palestinians are also semitic people, being from Ishmael. Given what God said of the children of Ishmael, the Palestinians fit like a glove. There is a reason why the other Arab countries don't want to absorb any Palestinians anymore. They can't control them. They are inherently violent, and if something goes wrong and the Palestinians don't like it, they can strike out violently, whereas other people like negotiations and talking.

Eber is the father of the Hebrews.

Why do you keep leaving out the last part? "SHALL ALL THE FAMILIES OF EARTH BE BLESSED." This is why Satan seeks to destroy Israel. First of all it is because the salvation of the world is OF Israel. It came forth from Israel, through Christ. Hence in Revelation you read of the woman giving birth while the great dragon awaits to devour the child. That woman is Israel, and that child is Jesus. Satan continuously attempts to destroy Christ, but when he fails, he turns on God's people instead. The end of time will be Satan's last effort to destroy Israel and thus defeat God and His promises. It won't happen, as God will defend Jerusalem on that day. (See Zechariah.)

All the families of Abraham will be blessed. These are the seed of Abraham through Ishmael and Esau.
These families are the seed of Abraham but are not the inheritors of the Abraham Covenant.
How can you take the promises God gave specifically to Abraham and his seed and give them to everybody? That is called Universalism, for one. Second, the covenant is between God, Abram the Hebrew, and Abram's Hebrew seed.
Tell me...where are non-Hebrew Gentiles mentioned in this covenant? Notice verse one God is speaking TO ABRAHAM.

2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Genesis 17:2–7.

2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. Genesis 12:2–3.

By believing that this applies to ALL families of the earth you create a tension that doesn't exist when taken in context to WHO God is making this covenant and WHO will be the blessed of Abraham. It is Abraham's family/descendants that are blessed by virtue of God's promises to HIM.

So, everyone of all the families of the earth including non-Hebrews is blessed? But if they were to curse Abraham, what are they? Blessed still? Cursed? Which is it? The Old Testament Hebrew Scripture of the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets are a record of the relationship between God and the Hebrew people through Abraham.

And the word "earth" refers to the Holy Land.
Try reading Scripture in context to WHOM it is written TO. There are no big-name Gentiles, no Gentile prophets, no Gentile covenant.

However, you missed the whole point of the verse, which is what comes after. All the families of the world (the whole population of the world) will be blessed... because of Abraham's faith, and through his descendants. If you understood the purpose of God choosing Israel as His chosen people, you would understand what this verse means. To the full extent, the full blessing that comes to the world from/of Israel is Jesus Christ and salvation. The world has truly been blessed, for those who believe in Christ by faith.

Again, your belief creates tension where tension doesn't exist. It is your misinterpretation of applying the covenant to everyone when everyone is not mentioned. It does mention everyone but in context to Abraham's seed. I don't see in these verses God making a covenant with non-Abraham families of the earth. But when applied to Abraham's seed it makes sense. This is what God thinks of the nations/Gentiles of the world:

17 All nations before him are as nothing;
And they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Isaiah 40:17.

Would God say that to anyone who is in covenant with Him and also blessed? Here's another tension your position creates:

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 1 John 2:15–16.

Two groups of people are on the planet: Jews and non-Jews (world.) One has covenant with God, the other does not. Make distinction. Jesus did:

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. John 17:9.

IF the world was to be atoned Jesus would have prayed for the world, but He doesn't. As High Priest the time to pray for "the world" is right here. But Jesus doesn't include the world in His atonement.

Using these verses makes no sense. You are not making any rational sense.

Galatians 3:
"6 Just as Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness. 7 Therefore, recognize that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God [j]would justify the [k]Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS will be blessed in you.” 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed with [l]Abraham, the believer."

Jews founded ALL the New Covenant churches. Galatia, Corinth, Rome, Philippi, etc., were all home churches that gathered in Jewish homes after they were excommunicated and persecuted by Jews. You need to stop feeding yourself Gentile theology and focus on Scripture. I used to believe as you do but not anymore.

The Abraham Covenant is between God, Abram the Hebrew, and Abram's Hebrew seed.
The Mosaic Covenant is between God and the children of Israel.
The New Covenant is between God and the House of Israel (ten northern kingdom tribes), and the House of Judah (two southern kingdom tribes.
Jeremiah prophesied the New Covenant in 31:31-34. Show me in these verses where non-Hebrew Gentiles are named or included.

Please point out where the word COVENANT is present in any of this. This speaks to the gospel message, which Paul says is Christ and Christ crucified. There is no addition to that. As he said to the non-Jewish Gentile jailer, "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."

The Scripture included hundreds of "gospels." The jailer was mixed heritage Hebrew. Half-Jew, half-Gentile but STILL Abraham's seed.

In writing to non-Jewish Gentiles and Jews in Galatia he said:
"26 For you are all sons and daughters of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is [ak]neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you [al]belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s [am]descendants, heirs according to promise."

That's your error. You are part of those that seek to steal Israel's inheritance. The church in the Galatian region was populated by Jews - NOT Gentiles.
Gentiles were never in the Abraham Covenant so HOW can they be inheritors of the Abraham promises? Isaac was Hebrew, Jacob was Hebrew, Jacob's twelve sons were Hebrew. The WHOLE BIBLE was written to and for the Jews. Saul writes at length about Abraham, the Law, something idol-worshiping, non-covenant, uncircumcised Gentiles would know nothing about.

So you will see that it doesn't say, if you belong to some covenant then you are Abraham's descendants, but if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, not according to covenant, but according to promise. That promise says that in Abraham's descendants, all the families, all the nations of the world, will be blessed. That blessing comes from Christ, which Paul said is the seed of Abraham.

It doesn't have to say such things when the letter is addressed to Jews and Jewish Christians who possess the covenants. Saul says, "And ALL ISRAEL shall be saved," in Romans 11. Saul says those under the Law will be saved:

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Galatians 4:3–5.

Gentiles were NEVER under the Law.

"21 Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the Law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and one by the free woman. 23 But the son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. 24 [t]This is speaking allegorically, for these women are two covenants: one coming from Mount Sinai giving birth to children who are to be slaves; [v]she is Hagar. 25 Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is enslaved with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free; [w]she is our mother.

This is not speaking of earthly Jerusalem but the Jerusalem above. Spiritual, as you see later in this same passage. Haggar is presented as "The Law" and the Mosaic Covenant from mount Sinai. If you are under the Mosaic Covenant and The Law, then, according to Paul, you are a slave to them. (Mosaic Covenant and the Law.)

"28 And you [non-Jewish Gentiles and Jews], brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 But as at that time the son who was born according to the flesh persecuted the one who was born according to the Spirit, so it is even now. 30 But what does the Scripture say?

“Drive out the slave woman and her son,
For the son of the slave woman shall not be an heir with the son of the free woman.”

31 So then, brothers and sisters, we are not children of a slave woman, but of the free woman."

I suppose this includes Saul as well:

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. Acts 21:23–24.

Saul is a slave to the Law according to your erroneous belief. Notice the vows and the shaving of the head. Saul continued to be obedient to the Law after being born again. ALL JEWS were.

What does that mean? If you are under the Mosaic Covenant and the Law, and that is your claim, you shall not be an heir with the son of the free woman. Again, Paul wrote Galatians to protect the church from the Judaizers who would tell them they have to be circumcised, and follow the Law in order to be saved. Christ is not enough. They have to put themselves under the covenant. Paul is saying... you do not. Faith is where it is at.

Faith is not required in any of the three Hebrew covenants.

That covenant is the covenant of circumcision:
Genesis 17
"9 God said further to Abraham, “Now as for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations. 10 This is My covenant, which you shall keep, between Me and you and your [j]descendants after you: every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 And you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you. 12 And every male among you who is eight days old shall be circumcised throughout your generations, including a slave who is born in the house or who is bought with money from any foreigner, who is not of your [k]descendants. 13 A slave who is born in your house or who is bought with your money shall certainly be circumcised; so My covenant shall be in your flesh as an everlasting covenant. 14 But as for an uncircumcised male, one who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.”

Thank God it is God who does the circumcision that counts: Notice who God is speaking to. He is not speaking to Gentiles, that's for sure:

22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name’s sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and fa new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
Ezekiel 36:22–28.

Show me where Gentiles are mentioned here as recipient of new "hearts."
Show me.

So that means, uncircumcised people, automatically, have no covenant. Paul calls the Gentiles the "Uncircumcised". That means that they are not of the covenant, according to Genesis 17. Once one has broke the covenant, there is no way to undo that. They will forever be covenant breakers. It doesn't matter if they get circumcised later. Abraham and those with him are the only ones "grandfathered" into the covenant, as it was just given. I err, as there is another group that can also ENTER into the covenant, and those are proselytes. People who are non-Jewish Gentiles/foreigners/strangers, who get circumcised and take up Judaism.

No, not forever. This is why salvation is OF THE LORD.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour (member of another tribe), and every man his brother (member of the same tribe), saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:34.

Who is this prophecy addressed to? Israel.

If all do not hold Abraham had faith, then there are a lot of people in the wrong. Abraham had faith. His faith was strong. It was also presented AFTER Ishmael, so no, the faith we learn about that existed in Abraham did not fail with Hagar. That faith was shown when God commanded Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. Abraham was going to do it. Why? He believed God wholeheartedly, and knew that if he sacrificed Isaac, God would have to resurrect Isaac in order to fulfill the promise He made with Abraham. He was going to sacrifice Isaac, and God knew it. No hesitation because he believed with all his heart that God would fulfill his promise even with God commanding Abraham to sacrifice his son. Now THAT is faith.

I never said Abraham never had faith. I said faith is not a requirement in any of the three Hebrew covenants.

No. And still insulting God by calling Paul Saul. It is PAUL. GOD HIMSELF changed His name. GOD HIMSELF said that he would now be known as Paul. Why do you fight against God? The distinction above is NOT between Ishmael and Isaac. You missed the point Paul made in Galatians. Those who see themselves under the Mosaic Covenant and the Law are the ones who are the children of Hagaar in Paul's allegory. Paul is saying that not all who are in Israel are children of God, as in saved/born again in Christ. Those who are Christ's by faith are in Isaac. Those who are in the law and in the covenant, are of Hagaar. They are slaves to the law and the covenant. You do not understand at all. The covenant God made with Abraham, more like to Abraham, is to him, so obviously it would speak to "in thee". It wouldn't be a covenant with Abraham if it did not. The whole world is blessed in Christ, a descendant of Abraham, and the covenant states that in you descendants, the nations of the world will be blessed. God knew exactly what He meant when He said Abraham's descendants. The covenant would automatically reflect that.

I follow Christ:

Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? Acts 9:4.

You really are ignorant and arrogant. The word nations meant... nations. It wasn't speaking to the present, but to the future. The nations of the world (future) would be blessed. And yes, it includes ALL NATIONS, even non-Jewish/Hebrew people/Gentiles. BTW, Ruth when full proselyte when she said that your people will be my people, and your God, my God. Again, Paul was not literally talking about Hagaar and Isaac, and covenants as you say, but he specifically said that he is speaking allegorically. Those of Hagaar, are those under the Law and the covenant. Those of Isaac are of faith, as is stated so many times by Paul.

You have already stated that it is impossible for someone like me, perhaps even you, to be a born-again Christian. And no, nowhere in the Bible does Paul say you have to have a Jew in your ancestry. NOWHERE. There does not need to be a covenant. Salvation is by faith not covenant. BY promise not covenant. Promise came before the law as Paul says. He said 490 years prior. And Paul also said that the SCRIPTURES (which you say include the Old Testament) foretell of God saving Gentiles BY FAITH. Abraham was not saved by the covenant. It states that God credited Abraham's faith as righteousness.

If you are uncircumcised, you are a covenant breaker. You cannot be a part of the covenant. (Unless you are a non-hebrew Gentile with no Hebrew parentage seeking to proselytize.) Again, God said that the nations of the world (non-Hebrew Gentiles) would be blessed in his descendants. (Because it speaks to the FUTURE.) BTW, who was Melchizedek?

You go ahead and keep your false interpretation of the Bible. Keep your false Constantinian Gentile theology. I'll keep the Bible.
I'm done here. Stay infected. Stay blind. I've hijacked this thread long enough.