Why The Trinity is Wrong: Definition

[Fred]

You see incorrectly. I reject mystical dualism.

Yes, I deny words are persons. It's proper identification of reality. It's embarrassing that you thing attributes of a person make a different person.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/why-the-trinity-is-wrong-lord-v-lord.252/#post-5115

After I posted the information later in post 6 you cut out from the discussion.

 

[synergy]

Being a trinitarian, you ought to not trust your inferences.

You lack humility to accept explicit statements that contradict your inferences. The insolence of telling me what I believe!

The Ad Hominems have started like clockwork. I received a boat load of them from Calvinists in CARM so I'm totally used to them. Try sticking to the subject matter if you can.

 

[101G]

Impossible. He is the created Son of the Creator, as we all are.

First ERROR of the Day, Listen and Learn, how is he created if he's before CREATION. John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

101G.

 

[synergy]

I've read the Bible multiple times. Your problem is in projecting this verse onto other verses that use the term 'word of God.'

Also, another bizarro thing trinitarians do; just because someone is called something, does not mean they are that thing that they are called. Yet, trinitarians suppose otherwise or at least, cannot differentiate the two. Ali called himself the greatest. Does that make it so?

View attachment 146

Muhammad Ali is not on the same authoritarian level as the Bible.

I'll stick to what the Bible says. You are totally free to disregard and/or trash whichever Bible verse you do not like.

 

[civic]

Muhammad Ali is not on the same authoritarian level as the Bible.

I'll stick to what the Bible says. You are totally free to disregard and/or trash whichever Bible verse you do not like.

Plus Marciano was the greatest- 49-0 with 43 KO's. Not even close.

 

[101G]

He is an agent of the Savior, which makes him also a savior.

yes, he is the AGENT of the Saviour, because he is the SAVIOUR, not a shaliah as you Unitarians Ignorantly believe. he's the Saviour of the World, and not just Israel. he didn't come to save you from an Physical enemy, no this Saviour came to SAVE us from our sin.

so another ERROR on your Part.

101G.

 

[synergy]

Yes, I deny words are persons. It's proper identification of reality. It's embarrassing that you thing attributes of a person make a different person.

The subject matter here to me is the Word of God, not people's words. We need to be both talking about the same subject matter. So which is the subject matter here? Is it the Word of God (as per Rev 19:13) or people's words?

 

[101G]

God delegated to Jesus the power to forgive sins, who in turn delegated the power to forgive sins the Apostles. This delegation of power does not make the Apostles God.

THIRD ERROR of the day. the Lord Jesus mis God. and as his OWN ARM he delegated himself in Flesh the Power to forgive sin..... THAT ARE PAST. hence the reason why God came in Flesh.

please READ and understand your bible, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

101G.

 

[Wrangler]

The Ad Hominems have started like clockwork.

Agreed. Your Appeal to Strawman, in telling me what I believe is over the top.

 

[101G]

I JESUS sent my ANGEL.... well it's in the bible.

YOU RESPONDED: AS IF this has any bearing on the subject!

YES, it do for the angel said, Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."

and it was the Lord Jesus who sent the angel, meaning he, JESUS is God,

THIS IS YOUR 5TH. ERROR OF THE DAY IN LESS THAN 30 MINUITES. check yourself.....

101G

 

[Wrangler]

Try sticking to the subject matter if you can.

Ad Homenim for me but not for thee.

The subject is how the trinity is wrong by definition.

 

[Wrangler]

First ERROR of the Day, Listen and Learn, how is he created if he's before CREATION. John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

101G.

No error. Existing before your younger brother does not mean you are the Creator of the universe.

 

[Wrangler]

Muhammad Ali is not on the same authoritarian level as the Bible.

Yet, your eisegesis is on the same level.

In the novel, Sally said she went to the store but the narrative is that she cheated on her husband. Trinitarians ignore the narrative (Jesus is the son of God) and rationalize that Jesus is not the Son of God only but God iincarnate. This goes against the narrative, which is that Jesus died and that God rose him from the dead.

 

[101G]

No error. Existing before your younger brother does not mean you are the Creator of the universe.

sixth ERROR of the Day, 101G don't have a younger brother.... (smile). and two, if I did, neither he nor I was before the world was. you're exposed again.

101G.

 

[Wrangler]

The subject matter here to me is the Word of God, not people's words.

Misuse of capitalization changes nothing. God's actual words are not a separate person EVEN IF people call a person this because they communicated the actual words of YHWH so well.

 

[101G]

@Wrangler,
cannot respond to the Lord Jesus as being the God of the holy prophets? thought so.

101G.

 

[Wrangler]

Revelation 22:6 ... meaning he, JESUS is God,

Jesus is not God. Jesus has a God who is the only God. Jesus says so himself. Jesus did not teach the trinity. Why do you?

 

[101G]

Jesus is not God. Jesus has a God who is the only God. Jesus says so himself. Jesus did not teach the trinity. Why do you?

so, you deny the scriptures.

101G.

 

[Wrangler]

@Wrangler,
cannot respond to the Lord Jesus as being the God of the holy prophets? thought so.

101G.

The explanation is simple. Rev 22:6 refers not to Jesus but to the LORD God. Your confusion is in reading every use of the word "lord" to refer to Jesus when there are dozens of lowercase lords in Scripture. Lowercase lord may also rightfully apply to YHWH. None of this makes Jesus God.

 

[synergy]

Misuse of capitalization changes nothing. God's actual words are not a separate person EVEN IF people call a person this because they communicated the actual words of YHWH so well.

How do you explain the following person who is identified as the Word of God in Rev 19:13? Tell us how a spoken word can ride a horse, have eyes, have a head, wear a crown, wear a garment, etc... This should be interesting....


Rev 19:11 And I saw Heaven opened. And behold, a white horse! And He sitting on him was called Faithful and True. And in righteousness He judges and makes war.
Rev 19:12 And His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head many crowns. And He had a name written, one that no one knew except Himself.
Rev 19:13 And He had been clothed in a garment dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies in Heaven followed Him on white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, so that with it He should strike the nations. And He will shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the wine of the anger and of the wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And He has on His garment, and on His thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.