Why Calvinism is a bad thing.

Fool4Christ said:
So his plan of salvation started before he created the world and when we choose Jesus as our savior and abide in him, then we Are Holy and blameless and insight.
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If Jesus wasn’t crucified you would not have a chance to be saved. But he made it possible for you now.
 
Darby said:
If Jesus wasn’t crucified you would not have a chance to be saved. But he made it possible for you now.
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If He did not bear the penalty our sins on the Cross?

Its we whom God would have forsaken... and this forum would not exist.
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And about the ninth hour Jesus screamed out with a loud voice, and
kept on saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is to say, “My God,
My God, why have Thou forsaken Me?” Matthew 27:46​


It was while our sins were being poured on His body that God needed to forsake Jesus.
Its the only time He screamed out in agony. All the other horrible abuses He faced he
remained silent as a lamb before his shearers. (Isaiah 53:7

It was His separation from the Father that caused His agony.. not the torturing of men!


grace and peace ................
 
GeneZ said:
If He did not bear the penalty our sins on the Cross?

Its we whom God would have forsaken... and this forum would not exist.
​
And about the ninth hour Jesus screamed out with a loud voice, and​
kept on saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is to say, “My God, ​
My God, why have Thou forsaken Me?” Matthew 27:46​


It was while our sins were being poured on His body that God needed to forsake Jesus.
Its the only time He screamed out in agony. All the other horrible abuses He faced he
remained silent as a lamb before his shearers. (Isaiah 53:7

It was His separation from the Father that caused His agony.. not the torturing of men!


grace and peace ................
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I do not know what you are talking about. I’m sorry
 
Darby said:
Who says otherwise?
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John Calvin? Calvinists believe that, at the beginning of time, God selected a limited number of souls to grant salvation and there's nothing any individual person can do during their mortal life to alter their eternal fate. Either you were chosen or you were not chosen, and that's all there is to it. But that just doesn't sound like Good Doctrine to me.
 
praise_yeshua said:
No Divinity required. Just common sense and an understanding of English.

You hold an exclusively Monogerism view because you falsely attribute merit to beggars who ask God to save them.



There is a difference between playing with baby building blocks and using complex math to construct a spaceship.



No. Just looking at hyperCalvinism.
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You are pretty smart. And it looks like you don’t like hypercalvinism. Is there any type that isn’t hyper?
 
Darby said:
everyone who is saved is in Christ.
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Everyone during the Church age is in Christ.

John the Baptist knew he was not to be the Bride.
John knew he was to die before the Church age began.

Keep in mind. John was speaking in terms of the traditional Jewish wedding ceremony.

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The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend of the groom who attends ​
listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom’s voice. ​
That joy is mine, and it is now complete." John 3:29​


John was saying he is the friend of the Bridegroom. He said he was not the bride.

OT saints are "friends of the Bridegroom."

We need to know these things.

grace and peace .................
 
Fool4Christ said:
John Calvin? Calvinists believe that, at the beginning of time, God selected a limited number of souls to grant salvation and there's nothing any individual person can do during their mortal life to alter their eternal fate. Either you were chosen or you were not chosen, and that's all there is to it. But that just doesn't sound like Good Doctrine to me.
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Why would you accuse someone else of saying that? Did you read his writings?
 
GeneZ said:
Everyone during the Church age is in Christ.

John the Baptist knew he was not to be the Bride.
John knew he was to die before the Church age began.

Keep in mind. John was speaking in terms of the traditional Jewish wedding ceremony.

​
The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend of the groom who attends ​
listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom’s voice. ​
That joy is mine, and it is now complete." John 3:29​


John was saying he is the friend of the Bridegroom. He said he was not the bride.

OT saints are "friends of the Bridegroom."

We need to know these things.

grace and peace .................
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There are people who are saved that don’t believe in Jesus?
 
Darby said:
Eternal justification? If that is what it’s called?
Aren’t they in Christ once they believe? That is what I think
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Yes no one is saved, born again , in Christ , regenerated, have eternal life until after they have heard and believed to gospel . They put the cart before the horse and teach one is in Christ and regenerated prior to hearing and believing the gospel .
 
Darby said:
Why would you accuse someone else of saying that? Did you read his writings?
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Actually I'm answering your question and I'm not accusing anyone. This is common knowledge to anyone that knows their stuff about Calvinism. In Calvinism this refers to the "elect". Here's a little explanation from a Calvinist author.

Election “in Christ.” When Paul speaks of God’s choosing us “in him” (Eph. 1:4, 11), he refers to union with Christ. In these places, Paul says that God chose people before the foundation of the world (v. 4). In every other case when Paul uses the phrase “in Christ,” except for 2 Timothy 1:9, he tells of God’s uniting people to Christ in history. God’s choosing us “in him before the foundation of the world” (Eph. 1:4; see also v. 11) speaks of our union with Christ before creation. But because we did not exist before our creation, Paul speaks of God’s plan to unite us to Christ.

Though Arminianism holds that election “in Christ” means that God chose people for salvation based on his foreknowledge of their faith in Christ, Paul does not speak of a condition that sinners must meet in order for God to choose them. Paul’s words do not speak of human beings’ response, but of God’s sovereign will. It is the same in Ephesians 1:11, where Paul says, “In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will.” The apostle teaches that God not only chose a people for himself, but also chose the means by which he would actually save that people—he would send his Son and Spirit and unite them to Christ in saving grace.
Robert A. Peterson, Election and Free Will: God’s Gracious Choice and Our Responsibility

In answer to your second question I have read quite a bit of his writings here's a few samples from my library.

INSTITUTES OF THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION BY JOHN CALVIN
John Calvin and Henry Beveridge, Institutes of the Christian Religion (Edinburgh: The Calvin Translation Society, 1845).



CALVIN’S CALVINISM A TREATISE ON THE ETERNAL PREDESTINATION OF GOD:

“Whom God did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son: moreover whom he did predestinate, them He also called; and whom He called, them He also justified; and whom He justified, them he also glorified”
ROM. 8:29, 30

BY JOHN CALVIN
John Calvin and Hendry H. Cole, Calvin’s Calvinism: A Treatise on the Eternal Predestination of God (London: Wertheim and Macintosh, 1856), iii.

Last but not least.



CALVIN’S CALVINISM A DEFENCE OF THE SECRET PROVIDENCE OF GOD:
BY WHICH HE EXECUTES HIS ETERNAL DECREES:
BEING A REPLY TO THE “SLANDEROUS REPORTS” (ROM. 3:8)
OF A CERTAIN WORTHLESS CALUMNIATOR DIRECTED AGAINST
THE SECRET PROVIDENCE OF GOD

BY JOHN CALVIN

ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED AT GENEVA A.D. 1552; AND NOW FIRST TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH

BY HENRY COLE, D.D.,
OF CLARE HALL, CAMBRIDGE
John Calvin and Henry Cole, Calvin’s Calvinism: A Defence of the Secret Providence of God (Wertheim and Macintosh, 1857), iii.

I guess I could go check my Kindle library, But I think you get the idea.
 
Fool4Christ said:
Actually I'm answering your question and I'm not accusing anyone. This is common knowledge to anyone that knows their stuff about Calvinism. In Calvinism this refers to the "elect". Here's a little explanation from a Calvinist author.

Election “in Christ.” When Paul speaks of God’s choosing us “in him” (Eph. 1:4, 11), he refers to union with Christ. In these places, Paul says that God chose people before the foundation of the world (v. 4). In every other case when Paul uses the phrase “in Christ,” except for 2 Timothy 1:9, he tells of God’s uniting people to Christ in history. God’s choosing us “in him before the foundation of the world” (Eph. 1:4; see also v. 11) speaks of our union with Christ before creation. But because we did not exist before our creation, Paul speaks of God’s plan to unite us to Christ.

Though Arminianism holds that election “in Christ” means that God chose people for salvation based on his foreknowledge of their faith in Christ, Paul does not speak of a condition that sinners must meet in order for God to choose them. Paul’s words do not speak of human beings’ response, but of God’s sovereign will. It is the same in Ephesians 1:11, where Paul says, “In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will.” The apostle teaches that God not only chose a people for himself, but also chose the means by which he would actually save that people—he would send his Son and Spirit and unite them to Christ in saving grace.
Robert A. Peterson, Election and Free Will: God’s Gracious Choice and Our Responsibility

In answer to your second question I have read quite a bit of his writings here's a few samples from my library.

INSTITUTES OF THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION BY JOHN CALVIN
John Calvin and Henry Beveridge, Institutes of the Christian Religion (Edinburgh: The Calvin Translation Society, 1845).



CALVIN’S CALVINISM A TREATISE ON THE ETERNAL PREDESTINATION OF GOD:

“Whom God did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son: moreover whom he did predestinate, them He also called; and whom He called, them He also justified; and whom He justified, them he also glorified”
ROM. 8:29, 30

BY JOHN CALVIN
John Calvin and Hendry H. Cole, Calvin’s Calvinism: A Treatise on the Eternal Predestination of God (London: Wertheim and Macintosh, 1856), iii.

Last but not least.



CALVIN’S CALVINISM A DEFENCE OF THE SECRET PROVIDENCE OF GOD:
BY WHICH HE EXECUTES HIS ETERNAL DECREES:
BEING A REPLY TO THE “SLANDEROUS REPORTS” (ROM. 3:8)
OF A CERTAIN WORTHLESS CALUMNIATOR DIRECTED AGAINST
THE SECRET PROVIDENCE OF GOD

BY JOHN CALVIN

ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED AT GENEVA A.D. 1552; AND NOW FIRST TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH

BY HENRY COLE, D.D.,
OF CLARE HALL, CAMBRIDGE
John Calvin and Henry Cole, Calvin’s Calvinism: A Defence of the Secret Providence of God (Wertheim and Macintosh, 1857), iii.

I guess I could go check my Kindle library, But I think you get the idea.
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Thanks for the quotes from Calvinists .
 

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