When the Trinity is denied, then the subsequent "theology" wanders off on weird tangents.

[FreeInChrist]

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I agree with this.

The Trinity isn’t just one doctrine among many , it’s structural. If the foundation changes, everything built on it shifts as well. Scripture presents Father, Son, and Spirit together in ways that seem inseparable from the gospel itself.

For example, in Matthew 28:19, Jesus commands baptism “in the name” (singular) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. That unity-in-distinction seems built into the very entry point of Christian faith.

Likewise, John 1:1 presents the Word as both “with God” and “was God,” and 2 Corinthians 13:14 closes with a threefold blessing ... the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit. The pattern appears woven into the fabric of the New Testament.

If God is not eternally relational within Himself, then relationship becomes something created rather than intrinsic to who He is. That reshapes how we understand love (cf. 1 John 4:8), unity, and even redemption.

Historically, movements that deny the Trinity don’t simply stop there ... they often end up redefining Christ and salvation itself.

I’m genuinely curious ... do you think that theological shift is inevitable when the Trinity is rejected, or just historically common? Where do you see the biggest doctrinal changes show up?

Thoughts?

 

[360watt]

This was a thread started by QVQ in another forum under the title there
is-there-a-main-heresy-with-mormonism-in-common-with-all-other-cults.

I agree with this.

The Trinity isn’t just one doctrine among many , it’s structural. If the foundation changes, everything built on it shifts as well. Scripture presents Father, Son, and Spirit together in ways that seem inseparable from the gospel itself.

For example, in Matthew 28:19, Jesus commands baptism “in the name” (singular) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. That unity-in-distinction seems built into the very entry point of Christian faith.

Likewise, John 1:1 presents the Word as both “with God” and “was God,” and 2 Corinthians 13:14 closes with a threefold blessing ... the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit. The pattern appears woven into the fabric of the New Testament.

If God is not eternally relational within Himself, then relationship becomes something created rather than intrinsic to who He is. That reshapes how we understand love (cf. 1 John 4:8), unity, and even redemption.

Historically, movements that deny the Trinity don’t simply stop there ... they often end up redefining Christ and salvation itself.

I’m genuinely curious ... do you think that theological shift is inevitable when the Trinity is rejected, or just historically common? Where do you see the biggest doctrinal changes show up?

Thoughts?

The earliest christian churches had a structure and doctrine that had definite characteristics even though there would have been slight differences.

The deity of Christ, salvation by grace thru faith in Jesus, practicing the Lords Supper, one bishop over one congregation among other features.

Over time, peoples own lust for control and power began to take effect, (largely with Roman Catholicism) with one bishop over multiple congregations, salvation thru rituals and works. Jesus's deity diminished or made equal with Mary.

Then there were also break away sects that were even more off beam, where you see them taking on heretical teachings, although still related to Christianity...such as religious movements based on Jesus having a wife and kids, or Jesus being a creature spirit, or a Hindu God. And there is Muslims with Hinduistic beliefs even tho Jesus is still seen as a born of a virgin