You are very wrong, a new religion most assuredly began. The Jewish leaders were having Christians killed off. They lost Gods favor--to this day they lost it.
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jeremiah1five
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I suppose because you say Israel "lost it" that God doesn't have to keep His promises, huh?
Riiiight.
God did keep his promise-Matt 23:39--Its they who refuse.
jeremiah1five
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So, God's eternal promises where Israel is concerned doesn't have to be kept, huh? That's what you're saying. Since Israel disobeyed, worshiped idols, and all those other sins for which their yearly sacrifices would cover their sins until the All-Time sacrifice was sent to redeem Jacob doesn't matter and Christ's sacrifice does nothing to redeem Israel.
Again...riiiight.
Maybe Saul was lying when he said/wrote this:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts (Jer. 31:33), crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Gal. 4:4–7.
An heir. Reminds me of Gal. 3:29. The Jews were heir of the promises and God is the Promise Keeper.
You don't know too much about the salvation of the LORD or the salvation of the Jews, do ya.
No, ya don't.
He did keep it i showed you. Its purely loving on his part to leave the door open to them after sending his son to his death. then murdering all Jesus followers they could, or sending them to their deaths as well. They were apostatized, to this day still are. Its they who wont live up to what God requires. You read about it over and over in the NT when they left God then he left them. Its their fault, not Gods fault.
jeremiah1five
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Abraham and his seed have covenant with God.
The children of Israel in the desert at the time of Moses and the Tabernacle have covenant with God.
The House of Israel and the House of Judah (northern and southern kingdom) have covenant with God.
And this is it:
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom. 11:25–27.
There is no "accept Jesus or the Old Testament sacrifice into your heart," or "confess with your mouth and believe in your heart" or any such fake salvation formula that God relies on or that Israel must do. Faith is not even a requirement in any of the three Hebrew covenants (Abrahamic, Mosaic, or New) but there is God commanding obedience in the Mosaic Covenant but that has more to do with blessings if you obey and curses if you disobey, but nothing to do with salvation.
God is the giver of salvation and Israel is the recipient of salvation. No works, no faith, just be Abraham's seed and you're saved as the Scripture says many times and in many places.
ALL Israel shall be saved. That covers the "stars in heaven" and "sand on the seashore" when considering the number of God's Chosen people.
Abrahams seed= Gods chosen ones= spiritual Israel today, not literal Israel religion. All of Gods chosen will be saved-Jesus said-FEW will find the road that leads off into life( be saved)= 99% minimum mislead today.
jeremiah1five
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Natural Olive tree Israel became spiritual Olive tree Israel when their Holy Spirit of Promise arrived and on the first day saved three thousand Jews. The next day, thousands more Jews become born again and saved. And thousands more after that as Christ saved those as such should be saved (Acts 2:37.)
The Abrahamic, Mosaic covenants are Hebrew covenants God made with Abraham and with his seed. These are eternal covenants with the specific purpose of saving spiritually through Christ's eventual atonement the covenant people of God. Israel today may not have a Temple, but they still practice their religion without it before God awaiting the day of their redemption and deliverance. In the meantime, Gentiles should be grateful God did destroy the Temple, blinded Israel's eyes, pushed us all into the Times of the Gentiles, and is orchestrating the eventually destruction of the Gentiles, remove Israel's blindness, and raise Israel to world prominence in preparation of Israel's Messiah and King's return.
Those left the jewish religion.
jeremiah1five
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4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Gal. 4:4–6.
Scripture wins again!
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Subject Heading:- 'What's love got to do with it anyway?'
'And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness,
.. even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
.... That whosoever believeth in Him should not perish,
...... but have eternal life.
For God so loved the world, ( the inhabited world)
.. that He gave His only begotten Son,
.... that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish,
...... but have everlasting life.
For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world;
.. but that the world through Him might be saved.
.... He that believeth on Him is not condemned:
...... but He that believeth not is condemned already,
........ because He hath not believed
.......... in the name of the only begotten Son of God.'
(Joh 3:14-18)
Praise God!
He did redeem the ones who left the apostatized Jewish religious leaders and joined his new religion. They became Christian.
jeremiah1five
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"Christian" is not a religion. Neither is Messiah a religion which is the Greek word in Hebrew (Messias.)
It means "anointing."
And your "apostatized Jewish religious leaders came to know the Lord as their Messiah:
7 And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.
Acts 6:7.
But who obeys the bible anyways.
The righteous obey the bible to the best of their abilities.
Acts 11:26--first called Christians
jeremiah1five
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"Christianity" is not a religion. And Jewish born-again believers were called "Christians" or Christ-followers (of the Way, a group of Jews within the Judaism of their day who was also seen as a sect within Judaism.
Until persecution (Acts 7.)
Judaism was cut off-Matt 23:38--Jesus said those teachers were stopping men from entering Gods kingdom, they were as well murdering Jesus' followers=antichrist in all the sense of it. He did leave the door open-Matt 23:39--to this day Reject the one God sent and outright refuse to do verse 39.
jeremiah1five
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After Jews began to become born-again and baptized into the body of their Messiah Judaism and obedience to the Law flourished. True, biblical Christianity is obedience to God's Torah Law.
20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
Acts 21:19–20.
Even the apostle Saul after He met his Messiah continued to be obedient blamelessly to God's Torah Law.
Or do you deny these Scriptures I posted?
Speaking to Saul:
24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.
Acts 21:24.
Purifying and shaving their heads are both part of the Nazarene vow and this is in obedience to the Law of Moses.
Saul said he was "separated from his mother's womb" meaning he performed the vows of a Nazarene which is in accordance with the Torah Law of Moses.
Unless you want to be like @TomL and reject the Word of God for leaning on your own understanding in the vanity of your mind. @TomL likes to add to the bible and doesn't accept God's Word as written and prefers to maintain false Gentile theology and reject the Word of God as written.
It says in Acts 21:24 that Saul "walked orderly and kept the Law."
Do you accept what it says about Saul? Yes or no?
Duh this was the word of God you rejected
Galatians 3:26–29 (KJV 1900) — 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Christians are Abraham's seed
Ephesians 2:11–20 (NASB 2020) — 11 Therefore remember that previously you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision” which is performed in the flesh by human hands—12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who previously were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the hostility, which is the Law composed of commandments expressed in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two one new person, in this way establishing peace; 16 and that He might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the hostility. 17 AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR; 18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone,
By your hatred you make yourself an enemy of Christ
jeremiah1five
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Who in Christendom uses your "reverse hermeneutics"? Where does it come from? Or is it used by your pastor from some fringe denomination somewhere in Canada the socialist capital of the world. Let me guess. Your pastor is really Justin Trudeau.
Good lord. How anti-language can you get. I know language is fluid but your method of bible interpretation takes the stale cake.
Read the scriptures, all who actually read and believe them do
Galatians 3:26–29 (KJV 1900) — 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Christians are Abraham's seed
Ephesians 2:11–20 (NASB 2020) — 11 Therefore remember that previously you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision” which is performed in the flesh by human hands—12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who previously were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the hostility, which is the Law composed of commandments expressed in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two one new person, in this way establishing peace; 16 and that He might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the hostility. 17 AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR; 18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone,
By your hatred you make yourself an enemy of Christ
