Acts 10:44-45- Holy spirit poured out on the people of the nations.
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but do you accept all the words of God or just those you can use to further your gentile hatred
Romans 2:14–16 (ESV) — 14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.
BTW you skipped over this
Galatians 3:25–29 (ESV) — 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.
jeremiah1five
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Here is your Scripture.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 10:44–45.
This event occurred in the house of Cornelius, a centurion of the Italian "band", one that feared God, was devout, and prayed to God always and gave alms to the people.
1 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,
2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway. Acts 10:1–2.
Do you know ANYTHING about God-Fearers? These were persons who were everything to God's Torah in obedience and service. God-Fearers were one step short of full commitment to Israel and God's Torah, meaning that, while devoted to Israel and to God in obedience and observance to God's Torah and allied with Israel, they were short of full commitment in that they did everything required under the Law except circumcision. God-Fearers, as with Cornelius, raised their families according to the Law of Moses, so, as a "wild" Olive tree why wouldn't they be saved by God having blessed Israel in accordance with Genesis 12:1-3 and receive the blessings of Abraham while not being in covenant with Abraham because Gentiles are not the seed of Abraham. But you mislead others in your comment that the Holy Spirit is given to the "nations" as you said above. The Holy Spirit was poured out on Cornelius and and his household - whatever number was there, but NOT on the "nations" as you incorrectly say. It was ONE family, and a family already in relationship with God as Cornelius was. And it says he was baptized in Jesus' Name which is significant.
So, NO, the Holy Spirit of Promise was not "poured out on the nations," but on one Gentile family that was allied with Israel, committed to obedience to God's Torah, was in relationship with God and God blessed him and his family because they blessed Israel and were also already committed to God.
So, take your false Gentile biased doctrine that seeks to include Gentiles as a race into the Hebrew covenants because your interpretation is just plain false.
The Holy Spirit was Promised to Israel. There is NO SCRIPTURE that says the Holy Spirit was ever promised to Gentiles. You teach false doctrine by trying to pass that off as bible when it is not. Despicable. But it's also typical and predictable. What a shame.
Yes the first event a gentile got holy spirit--every true follower of Christ can ask for holy spirit, regardless of race, country of origin, etc. Not allied with Israel, allied with Gods chosen. Its not literal Israel today, to this day they reject the Messiah, God is not with them.
jeremiah1five
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And who is that?
Excuse me but the Holy Spirit is called by Peter in Acts 2 the Holy Spirit of Promise because He was Promised to the children of Israel. If you are seed of Abraham, you can ask for the Holy Spirit just as Jesus said, but He said it to Jews, not Gentiles and Jesus would not break Scripture and say Gentiles can ask for the Holy Spirit promised to Israel and receive Him.
No, allied with Israel, like proselytes and God-Fearers.
I suppose the eternal covenant God made with Abraham and his seed is a lie?
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen. 17:7.
No, God didn't lie. God is faithful to His promises. And His promises are to Abraham and his seed all the way to today. It is after all an everlasting covenant. This means forever.
The Father does what the Son prays because the Son prays the Father's will. When Jesus said from the cross, "Father, forgive them for the know not what they do" the Father forgave them. He forgave Israel. That's who Christ came ro redeem. He came to redeem those under the Law.
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.
Case closed. Redemption has come to the House of Israel and Judah and all Israel is saved.
You best believe Jesus-Matt 23:38-39
jeremiah1five
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38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Mt 23:37–39.
The reason why "their house/Temple is left desolate" is because Christ is not in it. But He will be.
And since Jesus Christ did show Himself from His birth onward even after His resurrection it can be deduced that the people did say, Blessed is He that cometh in the Name of the Lord sometime while Christ was on earth. They said it with palm leaves when He entered Jerusalem the last week of His life on earth in that past dispensation. If He was seen by the people, then they most likely said "it."
jeremiah1five
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God's love is directed to the children of Israel. They are His Betrothed, they are His Bride, they are His Elect, they are His Church. They are His Chosen people.
6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
Deut. 7:6–9.
The whole of the bible is God dealing with the Hebrew people. This is inescapable. All 66 books of the bible is written by Jews and Jewish Christians TO and FOR Jews and Jewish Christians. Israel is God's Chosen people and God has only ONE love. Israel.
John 3:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
jeremiah1five
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The whole of the Old Testament is written to and for the Hebrew people describing the preparation of Messiah for the children of Israel.
The whole of the New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation describe the preparation of the children of Israel to and for their Messiah.
Such words as "world" and "all" are in context to the people the Lord's apostles and prophets were sent to in order to explain and herald the Messiah and the Holy Spirit of Promise effect upon the Abraham and Mosaic Covenants.
You fail to heed these things and take a word and words inclusive to Israel and apply them to non-Hebrew Gentiles a people who have no covenant with God.
Your error.
And yet God's love was for the whole world, not just Jews
John 3:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
and so Christ was given for the world
John 6:51 (KJV 1900) — 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
and so provide a salvation which is available for the whole world
John 12:47 (KJV 1900) — 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
John 3:17 (KJV 1900) — 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
jeremiah1five
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What part of "God made no covenant with Gentiles" don't you understand?
Under the Mosaic Covenant God made with the children of Israel through Moses the Ceremonial Laws required by God that the Israelites sacrifice an animal yearly to atone for the sins of the children of Israel. This was in anticipation of God sending His Son as the Lamb of God during Passover to die for the children of Israel. This He did. Scripture cannot be broken and your interpretation of "world" as meaning Gentiles would break Scripture and violate God's Word.
The "world" is in context to the people Christ died to save as fulfilling the Mosaic Covenant Ceremonial Laws concerning the sacrifice and its purpose as instructed and commanded by God. Christ died in accordance with the Mosaic Law for the children of Israel NOT GENTILES.
The "world" is in context to whom Christ died for and that is the children of Israel. This is why Saul said correctly as rabbi and Pharisee KNOWING the Old Covenant Laws:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.
Your interpretation of the Greek is in error. Read it in context to whom the Word of God was sent and the Word of God - written, spoken, or in Person, is sent to the children of Israel in covenant with God.
Gentiles are asped out.
The part where you do not understand
Ephesians 2:11–19 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
And yet God's love was for the whole world, not just Jews
John 3:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
and so Christ was given for the world
John 6:51 (KJV 1900) — 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
and so provide a salvation which is available for the whole world
John 12:47 (KJV 1900) — 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
John 3:17 (KJV 1900) — 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
jeremiah1five
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Your interpretation of those verses violates the Word of God.
The Mosaic Law was given to Israel for the purpose of concluding the Abrahamic Covenant and in fulfilling the Mosaic Covenant leading to a New Covenant in Christ as the lamb of God to atone for the sins of God's Chosen people the children of Israel finally and eternally.
Christ fulfilled the Mosaic Law. His sacrifice was for the children of Israel and Israel alone.
Any interpretation of the New Covenant Scripture from Matthew to Revelation that seeks to change or add to the Mosaic Covenant is false doctrine that is to be rejected as such. Christ atoned for the sins of the Children of Israel in keeping with the Mosaic Covenant between God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the children of Israel.
6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. Deut 7:6.
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.
This is the Word of God.
Sorry but you fail to prove that not exegeting the passages in any way
Ephesians 2:11–19 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
And yet God's love was for the whole world, not just Jews
John 3:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
and so Christ was given for the world
John 6:51 (KJV 1900) — 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
and so provide a salvation which is available for the whole world
John 12:47 (KJV 1900) — 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
John 3:17 (KJV 1900) — 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
jeremiah1five
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You can quote those passages all day, but the fact remains: Scripture cannot be broken.
The animal sacrifices under the Law were to atone for the sins of the children of Israel. It was never to atone for the sins of the Gentiles. Gentiles were not in covenant with God then and is not in covenant with God now.
Christ came to die in the place of the animal sacrifice under the Law as the lamb of God. This He did and all is finished.
There is no atonement for non-Hebrew Gentiles.
But if the person is of mixed heritage, meaning there is a Hebrew parent in their ancestry then as Samaritan-type (half-pJew, half-Gentile) the person is the seed of Abraham still and is under covenant.
But there are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in any of the Hebrew covenants and thus are without salvation.
Pancho Frijoles
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Which Scripture cannot be broken? The one you are quoting, or the one that @TomL is quoting?
Let's think about that.
We need reason. We need the Holy Spirit talking to our hearts. We need to observe reality. We need to review history.
We must avoid to get to a position in which we tell our friend:
Friend, you can quote those passages all day, but my passages are the good ones.
