brightfame52
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Has nothing to do with ethnicity, the all Israel that shall be saved is the Church, the Body of Christ Gal 3:28-29
What is the New Covenant?
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brightfame52
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No Salvation is by Grace and not ethnicity, that is idolatry, trust and confidence in the physical.
Really?
What did?
You miss the scriptural point that all who believe like Abraham are considered his children.
Galatians 3:7–9 (LEB) — 7 then understand that the ones who have faith, these are sons of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, proclaimed the good news in advance to Abraham: “In you all the nations will be blessed.” 9 So then, the ones who have faith are blessed together with Abraham who believed.
Galatians 3:14 (LEB) — 14 in order that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Galatians 3:29 (LEB) — 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are descendants of Abraham, heirs according to the promise.
Romans 4:13–17 (LEB) — 13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants, that he would be heir of the world, was not through the law, but through the righteousness by faith. 14 For if those of the law are heirs, faith is rendered void and the promise is nullified. 15 For the law produces wrath, but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 Because of this, it is by faith, in order that it may be according to grace, so that the promise may be secure to all the descendants, not only to those of the law, but also to those of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (just as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”) before God, in whom he believed, the one who makes the dead alive and who calls the things that are not as though they are,
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Those who believe are considered the children of Abraham
Galatians 3:7–9 (LEB) — 7 then understand that the ones who have faith, these are sons of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, proclaimed the good news in advance to Abraham: “In you all the nations will be blessed.” 9 So then, the ones who have faith are blessed together with Abraham who believed.
Galatians 3:14 (LEB) — 14 in order that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Galatians 3:29 (LEB) — 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are descendants of Abraham, heirs according to the promise.
Romans 4:13–17 (LEB) — 13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants, that he would be heir of the world, was not through the law, but through the righteousness by faith. 14 For if those of the law are heirs, faith is rendered void and the promise is nullified. 15 For the law produces wrath, but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 Because of this, it is by faith, in order that it may be according to grace, so that the promise may be secure to all the descendants, not only to those of the law, but also to those of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (just as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”) before God, in whom he believed, the one who makes the dead alive and who calls the things that are not as though they are,
Bob Carabbio
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WRONG!!! The "Mosaic LAW" is eternal. The Born again CHRISTIAN has voluntarily BY FAITH been JUDGED by it, and has died to it's effects. that's the symbology of water baptism - buried in DEATH, and raised in newness of life in Christ (Rom 6:4)
However the LAW is still God's will for humans who, as CHristians follow Rom 8:28,29 being CHANGED progressively into the image of Jesus
jeremiah1five
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You confuse "Church" with the "Body of Christ."
In the Old Testament the children of Israel was the original Church of God because as the word means, "called out" God called out His people out of Egypt. Nearly three million Jews were in the desert at the time of Moses. Therefore, the true and original "called out [ones]" was the children of Israel for God called them out of Egypt just as the word is defined.
The Jews that are born-again make up the body of Christ. On Pentecost three thousand Jews were born-again and thus began Christ's promise of building His Church and populated it with three thousand Jews:
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. Acts 2:41.
Those three thousand souls were born-again Jews.
The original Church Jesus promised to build was populated on the first day with three thousand Jews.
jeremiah1five
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So, you believe that until a person exerts faith "to believe" then on the day Jesus died He saved NO ONE.
The Bible does not teach that heresy. YOU DO.
jeremiah1five
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Nope. You believe in false teaching.
You failed to address the scripture
The issue I raised was
Those who believe are considered the children of Abraham
Galatians 3:7–9 (LEB) — 7 then understand that the ones who have faith, these are sons of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, proclaimed the good news in advance to Abraham: “In you all the nations will be blessed.” 9 So then, the ones who have faith are blessed together with Abraham who believed.
Galatians 3:14 (LEB) — 14 in order that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Galatians 3:29 (LEB) — 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are descendants of Abraham, heirs according to the promise.
Romans 4:13–17 (LEB) — 13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants, that he would be heir of the world, was not through the law, but through the righteousness by faith. 14 For if those of the law are heirs, faith is rendered void and the promise is nullified. 15 For the law produces wrath, but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 Because of this, it is by faith, in order that it may be according to grace, so that the promise may be secure to all the descendants, not only to those of the law, but also to those of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (just as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”) before God, in whom he believed, the one who makes the dead alive and who calls the things that are not as though they are,
You cannot address it
You failed to address this
The issue I raised was
Those who believe are considered the children of Abraham
Galatians 3:7–9 (LEB) — 7 then understand that the ones who have faith, these are sons of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, proclaimed the good news in advance to Abraham: “In you all the nations will be blessed.” 9 So then, the ones who have faith are blessed together with Abraham who believed.
Galatians 3:14 (LEB) — 14 in order that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Galatians 3:29 (LEB) — 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are descendants of Abraham, heirs according to the promise.
Romans 4:13–17 (LEB) — 13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants, that he would be heir of the world, was not through the law, but through the righteousness by faith. 14 For if those of the law are heirs, faith is rendered void and the promise is nullified. 15 For the law produces wrath, but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 Because of this, it is by faith, in order that it may be according to grace, so that the promise may be secure to all the descendants, not only to those of the law, but also to those of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (just as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”) before God, in whom he believed, the one who makes the dead alive and who calls the things that are not as though they are,
brightfame52
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Friend Israel is everyone brought to Faith in Christ, race is not a factor!
brightfame52
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Israel is everyone brought to Faith in Christ!
sorry bro to inform you but the law of Moses was abolished in His flesh and nailed to the cross.
For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, Ephesians 2:14-15
And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Colossians 2:13-14
Bob Carabbio
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brightfame52
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Maybe the Moral Law, but not the civil and sacrificial laws of moses
jeremiah1five
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That's good news. Now I don't have to worry about "other gods before me" or "to not take the Name of the LORD in vain."
But I'm curious...why would Jesus teach the people to obey the Law if He was going to "abolish" it is mere weeks?
Without God's Law leading and guiding us in life we can now lean upon our own understanding in the vanity of our minds.
But wait! What do we do with Saul's instruction to Timothy that:
16 All (Old Testament) scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Timothy 3:15–17.
But didn't Saul obey the Law and the prophets in his life even after becoming a born-again Christian?
24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. Acts 21:23–24.
And what do we do with Saul's own confession here:
14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: Acts 24:14.
And even Jesus Himself directs followers to the Law and the Prophets:
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. Luke 24:25–27.
So, if Christ used the Scripture - and this includes the Law and the Prophets - to direct His followers as a means to identify Israel's Messiah, Lord , and King, He might do this again in the last days to direct His covenant people to identify their Messiah, Lord, and King at some future date because Scripture does point to the children of Israel finally recognizing their God in Jesus Christ before He returns a second time.
Now I'm confused. Having Gentiles to dictate to Israel what Law is valid and which are not is like a Muslim telling Americans that their Constitution is no longer valid for their lives. I don't know, especially since Isaiah says God's Word is eternal and will continue to go out and do what it is sent to do, I don't think God is only limited to the Psalms since Gentiles have said the Law and the Prophets is abolished and "dead" and gone away.
Many claim - mostly Gentiles - that Israel no longer has to obey God or two-thirds of what is written anymore. I mean, Scripture says the Law was 'nailed to His cross" which is an instrument of death, and if He resurrected why don't they also receive the Law and the Prophets also resurrecting with Him in newness of life? The Scripture teaches us more knowledgeable believers that the Law was type and shadow of the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL (Joel), and that He is THAT LAW which He would put in our inward parts so that we no longer have to obey God using outward methods - such as writings on stone - but that now with God putting His Law (and the Prophets) in our inward parts we can now obey the Law and the Prophets through His Spirit within us. That sounds like God hasn't changed or abolished His Law because that would mean the Holy Spirit who is the Law Personified and from within is ALSO abolished! Can this be true? Lord, what do I do?
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates. Deuteronomy 6:4–9.
Wait a minute! These words are for Israel. What are Gentiles doing telling Israel what is valid for themselves and what is not? I suppose Muslims who tell Americans what parts of the Constitution are valid for their daily lives is just as right to do so, too, yes?
Nailed to His cross. But didn't Jesus also resurrect? This would mean the Law also resurrected into newness of life. Now with the Law put in our inward parts we can obey God from within and not from without which was the method before when His Law was written on stone.
Now I understand what Law God is going to put in the inward parts of His people:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour (member of another tribe living next to another tribe), and every man his brother (member of the same tribe), saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:33–34.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Romans 7:12.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: Romans 7:21–22.
Why would Saul "delight" in something dead and abolished?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Romans 7:25.
4 Who are Israelites;
to whom pertaineth the adoption,
and the glory,
and the covenants,
and the giving of the law,
and the service of God,
and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers,
and of whom as concerning the flesh
Christ came,
who is over all, God blessed for ever.
Amen. Romans 9:4–5.
These things Saul mentions all have to do with the salvation of Israel. What are non-Hebrew Gentiles doing telling another people and another culture what is valid for them and what is not? God has been with Israel as a people even while they were still in the loins of Abraham centuries and centuries ago. God will carry Israel across the finish line when the end comes. In having all these things of God to Israel named above, I think Israel is covered by the God of Abraham no matter what happens. God gave His Law and His Prophets to Israel. Non-Hebrew Gentiles are in no position telling Israel what is good for them and what is not. I mean, Gentiles need to first get their house in order before they can even entertain the idea to tell another people - especially a people of God - what to do in their own religion and culture and life.
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