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What is Communion ?
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MTMattie
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Notice the suggestion that eve did not include. Vampirism for the blood and cannibalism for the flesh
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Duane
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The night Jesus was betrayed, he celebrated the Passover with his disciples. Every year the Israelites celebrate Passover to remember when God miraculously rescued them from Egypt by protecting them with lamb’s blood on their doorposts and nourishing them with lamb meat. Jesus revealed that there is more to the Passover they had always celebrated. Passover pointed to what he did on the cross. His blood covers and protects us, saving us from death! His body was given for us; he will sustain and nourish us during our life’s journey.
Jesus offered himself so that we have life and forgiveness. We remember and celebrate this reality when we take Communion—what some churches call the Lord’s Supper or the Eucharist. Believers drink wine or juice and eat bread together. In this meal we refocus on our relationship with Jesus and one another.
In Communion we remember Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross for us. “The Lord Jesus … took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, ‘This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.’ In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, ‘This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me’ ” (1 Corinthians 11:23–25).
In Communion we slow down to examine ourselves. “Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup” (1 Corinthians 11:28). We confess our sins, we ask God to forgive us, and we reconcile with one another.
In Communion we declare that Jesus is coming back. “Whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes” (1 Corinthians 11:26).
In Communion we bring our sin, fear, and weakness to Jesus. And he blots out our sin, comforts us, and strengthens us. “Taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the one who takes refuge in him” (Psalm 34:8).
Shilo Taylo
Jesus offered himself so that we have life and forgiveness. We remember and celebrate this reality when we take Communion—what some churches call the Lord’s Supper or the Eucharist. Believers drink wine or juice and eat bread together. In this meal we refocus on our relationship with Jesus and one another.
In Communion we remember Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross for us. “The Lord Jesus … took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, ‘This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.’ In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, ‘This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me’ ” (1 Corinthians 11:23–25).
In Communion we slow down to examine ourselves. “Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup” (1 Corinthians 11:28). We confess our sins, we ask God to forgive us, and we reconcile with one another.
In Communion we declare that Jesus is coming back. “Whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes” (1 Corinthians 11:26).
In Communion we bring our sin, fear, and weakness to Jesus. And he blots out our sin, comforts us, and strengthens us. “Taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the one who takes refuge in him” (Psalm 34:8).
Shilo Taylo
A sad misconception by these-2Cor 11:12-15) who tell all to partake of the 2 emblems. Luke 22:29-30= A covenant made by Jesus to only those who will sit on thrones= The little flock( Luke 12:32)= the anointed bride= 144,000 bought from the earth( Rev 14:3) = Rev 1:6-Rev 20:4-6)---Only members of the little flock partook that night with Jesus.
Paul warns not all are worthy to partake( 1Cor 11:27-28)= the great crowd no man can number(Rev 7:9) these are the other sheep( John 10:16) who are not of that fold( fold = little flock)--Its a major sin for any but the little flock to partake.
Larry
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Communion: Celebrating the New Covenant
For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes.
—1 CORINTHIANS 11:26
IN THE OLD Testament the Passover observance served as a reminder of how God delivered the children of Israel from slavery in Egypt. Passover also reminded them of the need for blood to ratify an agreement with God. In other words, Passover was as a memorial acknowledging that the people were in blood covenant with their Creator. The blood the Israelites put on the lintel (the support beam above the door) and on the doorposts of the house was the sign of the agreement. They could look at it and remember that they made an agreement with God. In judging Egypt, God agreed to pass over His own people if they would again accept the covenant with Him. Covenanting with God provided Israel with both blessing and protection.
In the New Testament a similar memorial is observed. It’s called Communion, and it corresponds to the Passover memorial in the Old Testament. Jesus wanted His followers to always remember that they were in covenant with Him, which is why He initiated Communion with the Lord’s Supper.
The apostle Paul explained Communion this way: “The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?” (1 Cor. 10:16). These are powerful words. Notice that the “cup” is the “communion of the blood.” In other words, it represents the commingling of blood and the transfer of the rights and privileges of one person to another. This is blood covenant.
Communion is a reminder of our covenant relationship with God through Christ. It is no accident that Jesus used the word remembrance twice when He introduced the ordinance. “And when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, ‘Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me.’ In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, ‘This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.’” (1 Cor. 11:24–25, emphasis added).
Every time we eat the bread and drink the Communion cup, we should realize four things:
1. Christ’s body has been broken for us (represented by the broken bread). This is the most remarkable act of love (1 Cor. 11:24).
2. We are in blood covenant with God (represented by the juice of the grape) and have moved from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light (John 5:24).
3. Jesus has paid the price of broken covenants with His own blood; in other words, He is our substitute (Gal. 1:4).
4. God’s presence is at the table when we partake (Matt. 18:20).
Communion is observed in different ways depending upon custom and tradition.2 It is typically a time of contemplation and reflection about the need for remorse and repentance for sin. Without question it should always be observed with reverence and respect. But it also should be a time of rejoicing. It would be safe to say that some Christians don’t really look forward to Communion. They have been taught to honor its sacredness, but they have not been shown how to celebrate it. In some cases celebrating Communion is profoundly discouraged, as leaders try instead to cause people to feel conviction by urging them to “look at the cross and see Jesus hanging there.” And then to “realize you put Him there.”
Certainly our sin is responsible for the suffering Christ endured. But Jesus Himself said He did not come into the world to condemn the world (John 3:17). If Jesus were to speak to the matter today, He might say something to the effect of, “Yes, I hung on the cross and suffered and died there for you. But I didn’t do it to make you feel worse; I did it to make you feel better. In fact, I did it, in part, because there was no other way that you would believe I love you unless I did something that drastic. Oh, and by the way, I’m not hanging there anymore. I’m seated at the right hand of the Father, and things here are just fine.”
It used to be that when I came to church and saw the Communion table set, I felt a sinking feeling deep inside. I don’t think I dreaded Communion, but it’s probably safe to say that I wasn’t very fond of it. I’m not sure why this happened, but it no doubt had something to do with teachings I’d heard that suggested this was a time to confront my sin. It also may have had to do with the fear generated by the teaching that I must not participate in Communion unworthily or something bad would happen to me.
The caution that we are not to participate in Communion haphazardly is appropriate. This admonition came straight from the Bible: “But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body” (1 Cor. 11:28–29). Communion is a serious moment, and those who do not understand covenant relationship with God or who are living in sin need to understand we are at God’s table.
Nevertheless, the atmosphere for Communion is not to be somber and grave. This is not a time to invoke fear. We can be serious without being fearful or melancholy. Certainly this is a good time to deal with any sin that hasn’t already been addressed, keeping in mind that it can be cleansed by Jesus’s blood through confession and repentance at any time (1 John 1:9). But it is also a time to celebrate with Jesus. It is a time to rejoice and be glad. God wants all who put their trust in Him to rejoice and be joyful in Him (Ps. 5:11).
Everything God does has purpose. Most of what He does with His people has to do with bringing restoration, reconciliation, fellowship, holiness, and hope. He’s far less interested in form and fancy than some may think. Communion then is to involve not only remembrance and heart searching, but also— and especially—celebration. The joy of what Christ did must never be lost in mere form, even when the form is representative of people trying to obey God’s Word. To let Communion get lost in the rigors of ritual is to lose its meaning, its beauty, and especially its power. We cannot forget that the elements are not the only things at the Communion table; God’s presence is there as well. In this wonderful celebration of our reconciliation with God, His Spirit surrounds the table—and us, His people. That alone is reason to rejoice.
Ray Beeson, Signed in His Blood
For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes.
—1 CORINTHIANS 11:26
IN THE OLD Testament the Passover observance served as a reminder of how God delivered the children of Israel from slavery in Egypt. Passover also reminded them of the need for blood to ratify an agreement with God. In other words, Passover was as a memorial acknowledging that the people were in blood covenant with their Creator. The blood the Israelites put on the lintel (the support beam above the door) and on the doorposts of the house was the sign of the agreement. They could look at it and remember that they made an agreement with God. In judging Egypt, God agreed to pass over His own people if they would again accept the covenant with Him. Covenanting with God provided Israel with both blessing and protection.
In the New Testament a similar memorial is observed. It’s called Communion, and it corresponds to the Passover memorial in the Old Testament. Jesus wanted His followers to always remember that they were in covenant with Him, which is why He initiated Communion with the Lord’s Supper.
The apostle Paul explained Communion this way: “The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?” (1 Cor. 10:16). These are powerful words. Notice that the “cup” is the “communion of the blood.” In other words, it represents the commingling of blood and the transfer of the rights and privileges of one person to another. This is blood covenant.
Communion is a reminder of our covenant relationship with God through Christ. It is no accident that Jesus used the word remembrance twice when He introduced the ordinance. “And when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, ‘Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me.’ In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, ‘This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.’” (1 Cor. 11:24–25, emphasis added).
Every time we eat the bread and drink the Communion cup, we should realize four things:
1. Christ’s body has been broken for us (represented by the broken bread). This is the most remarkable act of love (1 Cor. 11:24).
2. We are in blood covenant with God (represented by the juice of the grape) and have moved from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light (John 5:24).
3. Jesus has paid the price of broken covenants with His own blood; in other words, He is our substitute (Gal. 1:4).
4. God’s presence is at the table when we partake (Matt. 18:20).
Communion is observed in different ways depending upon custom and tradition.2 It is typically a time of contemplation and reflection about the need for remorse and repentance for sin. Without question it should always be observed with reverence and respect. But it also should be a time of rejoicing. It would be safe to say that some Christians don’t really look forward to Communion. They have been taught to honor its sacredness, but they have not been shown how to celebrate it. In some cases celebrating Communion is profoundly discouraged, as leaders try instead to cause people to feel conviction by urging them to “look at the cross and see Jesus hanging there.” And then to “realize you put Him there.”
Certainly our sin is responsible for the suffering Christ endured. But Jesus Himself said He did not come into the world to condemn the world (John 3:17). If Jesus were to speak to the matter today, He might say something to the effect of, “Yes, I hung on the cross and suffered and died there for you. But I didn’t do it to make you feel worse; I did it to make you feel better. In fact, I did it, in part, because there was no other way that you would believe I love you unless I did something that drastic. Oh, and by the way, I’m not hanging there anymore. I’m seated at the right hand of the Father, and things here are just fine.”
It used to be that when I came to church and saw the Communion table set, I felt a sinking feeling deep inside. I don’t think I dreaded Communion, but it’s probably safe to say that I wasn’t very fond of it. I’m not sure why this happened, but it no doubt had something to do with teachings I’d heard that suggested this was a time to confront my sin. It also may have had to do with the fear generated by the teaching that I must not participate in Communion unworthily or something bad would happen to me.
The caution that we are not to participate in Communion haphazardly is appropriate. This admonition came straight from the Bible: “But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body” (1 Cor. 11:28–29). Communion is a serious moment, and those who do not understand covenant relationship with God or who are living in sin need to understand we are at God’s table.
Nevertheless, the atmosphere for Communion is not to be somber and grave. This is not a time to invoke fear. We can be serious without being fearful or melancholy. Certainly this is a good time to deal with any sin that hasn’t already been addressed, keeping in mind that it can be cleansed by Jesus’s blood through confession and repentance at any time (1 John 1:9). But it is also a time to celebrate with Jesus. It is a time to rejoice and be glad. God wants all who put their trust in Him to rejoice and be joyful in Him (Ps. 5:11).
Everything God does has purpose. Most of what He does with His people has to do with bringing restoration, reconciliation, fellowship, holiness, and hope. He’s far less interested in form and fancy than some may think. Communion then is to involve not only remembrance and heart searching, but also— and especially—celebration. The joy of what Christ did must never be lost in mere form, even when the form is representative of people trying to obey God’s Word. To let Communion get lost in the rigors of ritual is to lose its meaning, its beauty, and especially its power. We cannot forget that the elements are not the only things at the Communion table; God’s presence is there as well. In this wonderful celebration of our reconciliation with God, His Spirit surrounds the table—and us, His people. That alone is reason to rejoice.
Ray Beeson, Signed in His Blood
Post 225 is fact.
MTMattie
Active member
I know one who is not worthy.
Yes every mortal not of the 144,000.
MTMattie
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AS ARE YOUR TEACHINGS......
JOHN 6
41 At this the Judeans began grumbling about him because he said, “I am the bread which has come down from heaven.”
42 They said, “Isn’t this Yeshua Ben-Yosef? We know his father and mother! How can he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?”
43 Yeshua answered them, “Stop grumbling to each other!
44 No one can come to me unless the Father — the One who sent me — draws him. And I will raise him up on the Last Day.
45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘They will all be taught by Adonai.’[b] Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.
46 Not that anyone has seen the Father except the one who is from God — he has seen the Father.
47 Yes, indeed! I tell you, whoever trusts has eternal life:
48 I am the bread which is life.
49 Your fathers ate the man in the desert; they died.
50 But the bread that comes down from heaven is such that a person may eat it and not die.
51 I am the living bread that has come down from heaven; if anyone eats this bread, he will live forever. Furthermore, the bread that I will give is my own flesh; and I will give it for the life of the world.”
52 At this, the Judeans disputed with one another, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
53 Then Yeshua said to them, “Yes, indeed! I tell you that unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life in yourselves.
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life — that is, I will raise him up on the Last Day.
55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood lives in me, and I live in him.
57 Just as the living Father sent me, and I live through the Father, so also whoever eats me will live through me.
58 So this is the bread that has come down from heaven — it is not like the bread the fathers ate; they’re dead, but whoever eats this bread will live forever!”
59 He said these things as he was teaching in a synagogue in K’far-Nachum.
Doug Brents
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Even the 144,000 are not worthy. They still sin, and anyone who sins is not worthy of God, period.
John 6 is to the little flock--Only 144,000 will sit on thrones, only those( Rev 14:3) are bought from the earth. Jesus made that covenant to partake to only those who will sit on thrones( Luke 22:29-30)= the anointed bride
The darkness will not believe it-Luke 22:29-30 is FACT.
Jesus' ransom made many worthy. The worthy do their utmost not to sin the major sins=1Cor 6:9-11,, Gal 5:19-21
From which Jewish tribe are you from if you're part of the 144,000?
MTMattie
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Doug Brents
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What is a "major sin"?
All sin is equal; there is no "greater sin" or "lesser sin", for all sin is a violation of God's law (James 2:10).
I am not apart of that. And that is symbolism, The Jewish religion is cut off( Matt 23:38)- spiritual Israel is what that represents just meaning-Gods chosen.
Its very simple--Only the 144,000 will sit on thrones-The covenant the night of the Lords supper was only to those who will sit on thrones( Luke 22:29-30)-Referred to as the little flock( Luke 12:32)= not the great crowd of other sheep who are not of that fold( Rev 7:9, John 10:16) ---proof = No man can number the great crowd, the little flock are numbered.
I don't see letting a swear word come out keep one from inheriting Gods kingdom, etc= minor sins)-1Cor 6:9-11, Gal 5:19-21 both say--if one practices one of those sins will not inherit Gods kingdom.= Major sins. Paul used the word spiritism at Gal, the Greek word=Pharmacia, thus drug addiction is apart of that, so along with all the false god worship and those 2 lists= 99% on earth today are in danger of not inheriting Gods kingdom.
That's the 12 Tribes of Israel x 12,000 people. Do the math. So tell me, which Tribe are you from?
