What Does “Another Gospel” Mean?

[Studyman]

Why even labor to connect Mormons, JW with Calvinism? By doing so, I believe you think this may help you to convince some that whatever I may say, should be consider as evil and corrupt as those two false cults teachings.

I know Calvinism competes with other religious sects for contributing members. This is the way of this world's religious system. If I had a JW preacher here, he would say the same thing about the evils of the cult of Calvinism, with the same zeal, justifying his adopted religion with the same tactic of twisting cherry-picked Scriptures into teaching something the Bible itself doesn't teach. There isn't a nickels worth of difference between Calvinism or JW's or any of this world's religious sects and businesses that make up the religious system we were born into. They all reject God's Judgments, and have created their own. They have all rejected/polluted God's Sabbaths and have created their own. They have all rejected, even despised the Feasts of the Lord, and have created and promoted their own high days. They have all created and promoted images of God in the Likeness of man. They all build their own manmade shrines of worship made of wood and stone, to be seen of men.

In this world's religious system, the tradition is to "Choose" between the smorgasbord of different religious sects and businesses, contribute to them, and promote their specific philosophies. Just as it was in Jesus Time to choose between the religious sects of the Sadducees or the Pharisees, and "live by" and promote their perspective philosophies. You have chosen Calvinism. Others choose Arminianism, or JW's philosophy, or Mormonism, or Catholicism. Each promoter calling the other a false cult teaching.

I don't connect you with this world's religious system Red, you have chosen to adopt its traditions as your own and are now promoting it.

Jesus said "Be ye not therefore like unto them".

Calvinism takes in many different groups of folks, some of which I would disagree with, even though I may agree on some points with Calvinism. But, be as it may, let us stay with the scriptures to defend our teaching.

Most all of them adopt ancient Catholic high days and traditions and philosophies. The Holy Scriptures as a whole, exposes this "Course of the world" as not from God. But if a man twists cherry-picked Scriptures and omits much of God's Word, he can defend JW's theology, Catholic theology, Mormon theology, and Calvinism. This is why both Jesus and Paul advocated living by "Every Word" of God. With this Armor, we can resist the influence of this world's religious system.

I do not promote any religious sect/cult, have no clue what you are trying to say

You also said you didn't preach "No, this is wrong, there's only one covenant". So please forgive me if I take your statements with a grain of salt.

~ I do know you labor to boost your false gospel of works under the pretense that you are here to teach only what bible actually teaches...we shall see, and let others judge for themselves.

But many, including you, preach to the world, the popular doctrine that God created Laws impossible to obey and placed them on the necks of men who trusted Him, and yet when they disobeyed, He slaughtered them by the thousands anyway. You also preach that God's Word cannot be trusted as to who God created His Laws for. You preach that God's Laws are really Israel's Laws. And when you are shown these evil falsehoods through the Scriptures, you deflect and distract away from your teaching and try to make it about me. The Pharisees did the same thing to the Prophets, the Church of God and Jesus, God's only begotten Son. This tactic you have adopted is as old as Cain and Abel.

I am happy to receive the blessing of being demeaned, simply because I believe what Jesus says, but that isn't why I'm here. I advocate turning away from this world's religious system, along with its many differing religious businesses, and seek God's Truth, not justification for a religious sect or philosophy of this world. To seek God's Truth through the Holy scriptures HE had written "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works".

This is hard to discuss with someone who is only interested in promoting a specific religious philosophy.

Studyman, I never said there's only one covenant,

Red baker said;

No, this is wrong, there's only one covenant,

there are two main covenants mentioned throughout the scriptures, the Old covenant, and the New covenant, the first and second as they are known by.

I posted 3 different Covenants, there are more. And you didn't even acknowledge them or offered to discuss them. Instead, you continued as if God's Words I posted didn't exist, then you declared me wrong, and then lied about your own words.

I asked you a question, an easy multiple-choice question, and you refused to answer it.

These are all your free will works Red. How would you expect me to respond to this kind of discourse? I can see how Jesus responded to same discourse used by the promoters of the religious sects of His Time. But I would be banned from this forum if I followed His Example of how HE dealt with the mainstream preachers of His Time.

I am hoping, in the quiet moments of your alone time, that you might consider the beam in your own eye and then set about to "Cast it out". After all, it isn't the knowledge of the Beam that causes blindness, it's the Beam itself.

Hebrews 7-10 goes into depth showing the two covenants, which truly would be a perfect time to consider those four chapters to settle any disagreements, which also would help greatly to see who has another gospel and who is laboring to preach the true gospel of Jesus Christ, based upon the covenant that Christ is the surety/testator of, and who are the beneficiaries of this covenant and why they are so.

Hebrews chapters 7-10 is exclusively speaking about the Levitical Priesthood sacrifices and offerings.

Heb. 7: 5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

Heb. 8: 1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. 3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

Heb. 9: 1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. 2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. 3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

Heb. 10: 1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

The deceiver, by separating these verses from the rest of the bible, tries to twist these verses to support the popular religious philosophy that God abolished His own Laws, at least the ones that are not popular with the religious system of this world. But there is no or if any, very little mention of God's Commandments, Judgments or Statutes in these Chapters. It is exclusively about the Priesthood Covenant with Levi, and the duties and Sacrificial "works of the Law" that became old and were ready to perish, and how Jesus ushered in a New Priesthood Covenant, with better Promise.

We can cut through all verbiage back and forth by going directly to Hebrews 7-10~let me know if you desire to do this,
if yes, they I will post my understanding of the four chapters and then let you do so

I already know your adopted understanding of Hebrews 7-10. It's the same as the JW's, Mormons, Armenians etc. You guys tie God's instruction in righteousness, His Judgments and Statutes, with the Priesthood Law that was "ADDED" because of Transgressions. Claiming that if the Sacrifices of the Priesthood covenant God made with Levi grew old and was ready to vanish, God's entire Law grew old and was ready to vanish. This is how this world's religious system justifies their rejection of God's Laws. This is why I referenced what is actually written concerning the New Covenant, because God's Law doesn't become obsolete, according to Him. Only the manner in which His Law is received and the manner in which forgiveness of transgression of God's Law was provided for. Also, the Levitical Priesthood was the first Covenant God made with Israel, prior to that, they were under God's Covenant with Abraham and his children.

Jer. 7: 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. (God's covenant with Abraham) 24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

There was no instruction from God for a common man to take a goat to the Levite Priest and kill it, to provide forgiveness of his sins before the golden calf. This Law was "ADDED" because of transgressions, and was to be in place "Till the Seed Should Come".

This is true, but again, once a man starts accepting God's Truth, this world's religious system, with its 501 3 c's, its wealth generating high days and marketing strategies starts to unravel.

As it is written:

John 11: 46 But some of them went their ways to the Pharisees, and told them what things Jesus had done. 47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.

48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.

All their wealth, no more selling salvation, all their praise of men, gone. And these things are more important to many, than God's Truth. So they don't believe in the Words of the Jesus "of the bible", although they call Him Lord, Lord. And they continue to contribute to and promote this world's religious system, even though Jesus said to "Come out of her" and "be ye therefore not like unto them".

And they still get angry at those who would love them enough to show them these things.

 

[Red Baker]

I know Calvinism competes with other religious sects for contributing members.

Studyman, how do you know this, I do not? I can only speak for myself, not others ~ I personally do not compete for any souls, while some may indeed compass and and sea to make one disciple, and when they are made, they only make them a two fold more child of hell themselves. ~ but we worship God almost alone, in homes settings, apart from the expensive worship temples created by men to lure their victims. So, you truly do not know who you are talking to, not even close.

But many, including you, preach to the world, the popular doctrine that God created Laws impossible to obey

No fault with God's law, the fault is with sinful man not able to obey in their flesh apart from having a new nature, which the new covenant secured for them given to Jesus Christ to redeem. This blessed gospel, you and others reject for a gospel of the works of the law, or, any works that man has an active part in ~ which message/gospel can be summed up by saying: "This DO and live, sin and die"

Hebrews 8:7,8​

“For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:”

I posted 3 different Covenants, there are more. And you didn't even acknowledge them or offered to discuss them. Instead, you continued as if God's Words I posted didn't exist, then you declared me wrong, and then lied about your own words.

And there are more ~ but, truly there are only two (as I said) main covenants, or that said: This do and live; sin and die....and one that is secured by two immutable acts of God, his oath and promises. The latter is the true gospel taught by the word of God by the prophets and apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ. The first covenant laws are good, spiritual and holy, yet men in the flesh are unable to live according to them.

Romans 7:14​

“For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.”

Hebrews chapters 7-10 is exclusively speaking about the Levitical Priesthood sacrifices and offerings.

Okay, we shall see....coming back later.

 

[Studyman]

Studyman, how do you know this, I do not? I can only speak for myself, not others ~
I personally do not compete for any souls, while some may indeed compass and and sea to make one disciple, and when they are made, they only make them a two fold more child of hell themselves. ~ but we worship God almost alone, in homes settings, apart from the expensive worship temples created by men to lure their victims. So, you truly do not know who you are talking to, not even close.

What's the difference between compassing sea and land to promote Calvinism or Mormonism or Pharisaism, or coming on a forum to promote Calvinism or Mormonism or Pharisaism? Clearly there is no difference.

Actually, I do know who I am talking to as far as your preaching is concerned. I have copied, printed and passed out your sermons to our study group for many years. In this way we can study and discern popular religious philosophy, promoted by the "Many", who call Him Lord, Lord, and "Come in His Name". We are instructed to do this, as part of our Armor of God. (Test the spirits)

You are not here to examine and discuss Scriptures "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works". Nor are you here to examine or discuss the Word of God so that we might "Yield ourselves" to God and learn to "Live by" them as Jesus instructed, as was their purpose in the first place.

If you were, you would answer my questions, address the Scriptures I post, and wouldn't lie about your own statements to justify yourself.

Instead Red, you are here to "Promote" the popular religious philosophy of this world's religious system called "Calvinism", that you have adopted.

Not Mormonism, not Arminianism, not JW Philosophy, but Calvinism.

This is simply true as shown by your works.

No fault with God's law, the fault is with sinful man not able to obey in their flesh apart from having a new nature, which the new covenant secured for them given to Jesus Christ to redeem. This blessed gospel, you and others reject for a gospel of the works of the law, or, any works that man has an active part in ~ which message/gospel can be summed up by saying: "This DO and live, sin and die"

I posted God's Word concerning His Priesthood covenant with Levi, AKA, "The Levitical Priesthood". Your religion doesn't allow to answer my questions concerning it, nor are you allowed to even acknowledge them or the Scriptures I posted which bring them to my mind. This is why Jesus said, "Be ye not therefore like unto them".

Hebrews 8:7,8​

“For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:”

Yes, I showed you God's Word showing who corrupted God's Priesthood covenant with Levi. It's all over the Bible.

Jer. 50: 6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

Jer. 23: 16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and "not out of the mouth of the LORD". 17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one "that walketh after the imagination of his own heart", No evil shall come upon you.

Malachi 2: 7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts. 8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have "caused many" to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted "the covenant of Levi", saith the LORD of hosts. 9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

Where is the Covenant of Levi today, with the Priest's and Showbread and the Blood of animals for justification that the Pharisees were still promoting in Paul's Time?? Of course you cannot answer. But I will. Paul, and we, are now under an incorruptible Priesthood, a "Better Ministry" as prophesied. A New Covenant, not like the one God made with Israel when they broke God's Covenant of Abraham that He gave them, "because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord".

That you can't understand this, is a testament to the Power of God, towards men who when they knew Him, didn't Glorify Him as God.

And there are more ~ but, trulythere are only two (as I said) main covenants, or that said:
This do and live; sin and die....

Paul said, years after Jesus ascended*****, here, let me have Paul himself teach you, then when you reject it, you are rejecting Paul's words, not mine.

Rom. 6: 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law (Dead in trespasses and sins), but under grace? (Alive unto God as one alive from the dead) God forbid. (That means NO! Red) Why is this? Paul teaches you if you would only believe him.

16 Know ye not, that to "whom" ye "yield yourselves" servants to obey, "his servants ye are" to whom ye obey; whether of sin "unto death", or of obedience "unto righteousness"?

So Red, Sin still bring death, according to Paul. And Obedience still brings righteousness, according to Paul.

and one that is secured by two immutable acts of God, his oath and promises. The latter is the true gospel taught by the word of God by the prophets and apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ. The first covenant laws are good, spiritual and holy, yet men in the flesh are unable to live according to them.

To believe your sermons, I would have to reject all the Jesus Words, the entire Law and Prophets, and most all of Paul's words. If you carefully cherry-picked Paul's words, you might be able to twist them to support your adopted religious philosophy that it's impossible for me to Learn to obey God.

Why would I do that?

Romans 7:14​

“For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.”

Okay, we shall see....coming back later.

As is your practice, you omit Paul answer to this very dilemma.

Rom. 7: 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God "through" Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself "serve the law of God"; but with the flesh the law of sin. (Crucified, as Paul teaches, "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof)

Nevertheless, who am I to know if you might be pricked by these Words of God your religion won't let you believe. My sincerest hope is that you might "Yield yourself to God" and let HIS Word abide in you.

 

[TedT]

ImCo,
the true gospel of salvation includes:
1. YHWH is our creator GOD.
2. Sin is real and destroying.
3. Only YHWH has the power to save a sinner from the natural and legal consequences of choosing to become a sinner.
4. Only faith without proof in Jesus as our Saviour, can and will save us from the legal and natural consequences of choosing to be a sinner in His sight.

A false gospel includes such ideas as YHWH is not our creator GOD, that sin has no reality nor any real and permanent hold on sinners outside of Christ and that by some other process not proceeding from Christ sinners may recover from their sinfulness to evolve to a perfect consciousness acceptable to GOD.

 

[Red Baker]

ImCo,

Really not interested in your considered opinion.

1. YHWH is our creator GOD.

God is his title, "Jehovah" is His name!

The Great Bible (1539) renders Jehovah in Psalm 33:12 and Psalm 83:18. The Geneva Bible (1560) translates the Tetragrammaton as Jehovah in Exodus 6:3, Psalm 83:18, and two other times as place-names, Genesis 22:14 and Exodus 17:15. In the Bishop's Bible (1568), the word Jehovah occurs in Exodus 6:3 and Psalm 83:18.

Exodus 6:3 (KJV)​

“And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.”

Sin is real and destroying.

Agreed

Only YHWH has the power to save a sinner from the natural and legal consequences of choosing to become a sinner.

Another gospel ~ please provide scriptures in what you are attempting to teach.

Matthew 1:21​

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.”

1st Timothy 1:15​

“This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.”

In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

4. Only faith without proof in Jesus as our Saviour, can and will save us from the legal and natural consequences of choosing to be a sinner in His sight.

Wrong, so wrong. Only the obedience and faith of Jesus Christ, and his death and resurrection on the behalf of those for who he lived and died for are made the righteousness of God through and by him alone.

Romans 3:21-26~"But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus."

 

[Red Baker]

I know Calvinism competes with other religious sects for contributing members. This is the way of this world's religious system. If I had a JW preacher here, he would say the same thing about the evils of the cult of Calvinism, with the same zeal, justifying his adopted religion with the same tactic of twisting cherry-picked Scriptures into teaching something the Bible itself doesn't teach. There isn't a nickels worth of difference between Calvinism or JW's or any of this world's religious sects and businesses that make up the religious system we were born into. They all reject God's Judgments, and have created their own. They have all rejected/polluted God's Sabbaths and have created their own. They have all rejected, even despised the Feasts of the Lord, and have created and promoted their own high days. They have all created and promoted images of God in the Likeness of man. They all build their own manmade shrines of worship made of wood and stone, to be seen of men.

Quickly (if that is even possible, because I will address each point that you hold dear to, as a means to be accepted by God) I will look at your post that you think I refuse to address, but all it is going to do is to produce more verbiage, that will allow you and your cult to continue to live in the small world you folks travel in through the bible ~ I'm saying this, since I have very seldom seen you involved in other discussion that are important to the religion of Jesus Christ ~ you keep talking about this world's business that makes up the religious system you were born into, as though you are outside of it, when in truth you are right in the middle of it, as I said a few posts back...same bird just different color of feathers!

First, You said: "They have all rejected/polluted God's Sabbaths and have created their own."

We are not under the Jewish sabbaths day, even though your cult desires to put God's children under them, since it is part of your work gospel that you folks desire to keep in order to be accepted by God. The sabbaths day were given to Israel, no mention of them from Genesis until God gave them to Israel.

Ezekiel 20:12​

“Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.”

Christian or Sabbatarian? You Cannot Be Both................................​

Christians follow and glorify the Lord Jesus Christ – not Moses, not Israel, not the Law, not the Jewish Sabbath. Exalting these pitiful substitutes that passed away long ago rejects and dishonors Jesus Christ. Sunday, the Lord’s Day, is a weekly privilege to glorify Jesus Christ on the day He ordained for worship. Christians always take N.T. ordinances and tradition over O.T. ceremonial or national laws.

Cults like the Seventh-Day Adventists and their imitators (folks like you) glorify Saturday. They exalt Moses and the O.T. over Jesus and Paul and the N.T. They choose shadows over reality … law over grace … carnal ordinances over spiritual … bondage over liberty. They exalt a calendar day over the finished work of Christ. They reject the Lord’s spiritual fulfillment and abolition of the Sabbath for a worldly yoke of bondage. That most likely they do not observe as Israel of old did, but do so in their own man made rellgion and call it overserving the holy Sabbath.

Paul’s greatest burden was fighting such Jewish legalists. False teachers followed him, creeping into churches and corrupting Gentile believers with O.T. superstition about circumcision, dietary laws, and the Sabbath. Most of Galatians and Hebrews, and much of Romans, Ephesians, Philippians, and Colossians, were written to oppose them. These heretics chose Moses and meats over Jesus and His gospel.

Rejecting celebration of the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ and His day for beggarly bondage of the Jewish Sabbath is heresy and superstition. Christians never assembled as Christians on Saturday after resurrection morning. The Lord of the Sabbath had abolished it at His resurrection, after nailing that carnal and worldly ordinance to His cross, when He became the reality and fulfillment of its shadow.

It was a new day …. literally, the first day of the week … spiritually, the gospel Day called Today … covenantally, the New Testament of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The issue is simple. What is the N.T. day for religious worship? Is it Saturday, a carnal ordinance Moses brought down from Mt. Sinai and imposed on Israel until Jesus and His apostles? Or is it Sunday, the first day of the week, the day on which Jesus Christ appeared to His assembled apostles and blessed them, who all kept that day from then on?

Four simple, conclusive passages – Col 2:16-17; Gal 4:9-11; I Cor 16:1-2; Acts 20:6-7 – are more than enough for noble readers (Acts 17:11).

More to come....

 

[Red Baker]

In this world's religious system, the tradition is to "Choose" between the smorgasbord of different religious sects and businesses, contribute to them, and promote their specific philosophies. Just as it was in Jesus Time to choose between the religious sects of the Sadducees or the Pharisees, and "live by" and promote their perspective philosophies.

Guess whose religion is at the food bar to choose from? Yours, it is right next to the SDA, a group that no doubt has influenced you greatly whether or not you are willingly to agree that it has.

You have chosen Calvinism. Others choose Arminianism, or JW's philosophy, or Mormonism, or Catholicism. Each promoter calling the other a false cult teaching.

I see you said not a word in a negative way about the SDA cult. Nevertheless, be as it may be, all professors of religion, truly fall into one of two groups as far as the teaching on Soteriology ~ Calvinism, or Arminianism, or very closely connected to one or the other, for this has been the true battle since the days of the apostles proven by Augustine, and men after him, down to the Reformers and on down to our present generation. Whether or not you will admit it, you are a hard core Arminian, if one only would read behind men who were in that camp, btw, you would make them look like a Calvinist! But, even more, your limited understanding of the scriptures would not even qualify you to be a spokesman among them. Do not take my word, read those debates for yourself and see.

But many, including you, preach to the world, the popular doctrine that God created Laws impossible to obey and placed them on the necks of men who trusted Him, and yet when they disobeyed, He slaughtered them by the thousands anyway.

They are impossible to obey, since the law of God as summed up in the Ten Commandments, are the express image of who God is, and men in the flesh cannot keep them even for one second apart from having been quicken to life with a new man within them, and even then, sin still dwells in their flesh and is present even in their most holy moments be whatever that may be. A man is a liar who denies this to be so, he's greatly deceived by the pride in his heart. A true child of God grieves over this, and trust even more so in Jesus Christ for deliverance in that day. Romans 7:7-25

You also preach that God's Word cannot be trusted as to who God created His Laws for.

That's you take on why I teach that certain laws were only for the nation of Israel, especially so the dietary laws (see Acts 10) and certain dress codes, and the Sabbaths days, which was imposed on them until Christ. We as NT Christians do not allow folks to judge us per:

Colossians 2:16​

“Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:”

We shall follow JESUS CHRIST, not Moses.

John 1:17​

“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”

You have no clue as to the doctrine of free grace.

You preach that God's Laws are really Israel's Laws.

All are God's law, only certain law were given to Israel that were not for the New Testament Church!

Hebrews 9:10​

“Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.”

I am happy to receive the blessing of being demeaned, simply because I believe what Jesus says, but that isn't why I'm here. I advocate turning away from this world's religious system, along with its many differing religious businesses, and seek God's Truth, not justification for a religious sect or philosophy of this world. To seek God's Truth through the Holy scriptures HE had written "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works".

Then what you should do is to learn the New Covenant inside and out, and then you would see that Moses' law is no hiding place, refuge is to be sought in Christ's obedience for our righteousness, for he is indeed the end of the Law for righteousness You should stop going about establishing your own righteous which is through the works of the law.

Romans 10:3-5​

“For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.”

You are seeking to be righteous before God by doing works of the law, which no man can perfectly do, impossible.

This is hard to discuss with someone who is only interested in promoting a specific religious philosophy.

Oh, how well do I know!

I posted 3 different Covenants, there are more.

I am coming back and address any concern you think I'm purposely overlooking, or refusing to answer. I look forward doing so.

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[Studyman]

Quickly (if that is even possible, because I will address each point that you hold dear to, as a means to be accepted by God) I will look at your post that you think I refuse to address, but all it is going to do is to produce more verbiage, that will allow you and your cult to continue to live in the small world you folks travel in through the bible ~ I'm saying this, since I have very seldom seen you involved in other discussion that are important to the religion of Jesus Christ ~ you keep talking about this world's business that makes up the religious system you were born into, as though you are outside of it, when in truth you are right in the middle of it, as I said a few posts back...same bird just different color of feathers!

First, You said: "They have all rejected/polluted God's Sabbaths and have created their own."

We are not under the Jewish sabbaths day, even though your cult desires to put God's children under them, since it is part of your work gospel that you folks desire to keep in order to be accepted by God. The sabbaths day were given to Israel, no mention of them from Genesis until God gave them to Israel.

Ezekiel 20:12​

“Moreover also I gave them "my sabbaths", to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.”

Christian or Sabbatarian? You Cannot Be Both................................​

You keep misdirecting and deflecting Red. First you say God's Laws that Jesus and the examples of Faithful men given us in the Holy scriptures walked in, were not God's Laws, but "Israel's Laws". Of course, even a child could spend 2 minutes in Scriptures and find this is a Lie, which I showed. But instead of admitting your sin and growing in the knowledge of God, you just deflect and move to another false teaching. "No, this is wrong, there's only one covenant". Again, a child can read the Bible and see that there are several Covenants given by the God of Abraham. So I show you this, and do you repent of your sin, and grow in the knowledge of God? No Red, you lie about your own words, claiming you didn't say them. When I called you out on this, did you repent of your lie and grow in the knowledge of God? NO Red, you just deflected again, to another lie. "God's Sabbaths are "Jewish Sabbaths".

I know what the Catholic Sabbath is. And that her Protestant Daughters, including Calvinists, have also adopted them. But I have chosen not to adopt and promote the popular religious traditions and philosophies of the religious business of Catholicism. I have chosen not to "live by" the Catholic Traditions, high days, and judgments that you have adopted and are now promoting to others.

Instead, I strive to "live by" the Words that the Jesus "of the bible" instructed men to "Live by". I posted HIS Words instructing this, but you ignored HIM. This would include the Sabbaths and Feasts, judgments and commandments that the Jesus "of the Bible" walked in and honored from His Heart. That includes the Sabbath that God, Not Constantine, "made for man".

Jesus said if I do this, I will receive ridicule and persecution from this world's religious system who preach to the world that God's Laws are worthless "Jewish Traditions", but the traditions and high days of the religious sect of the Catholic, are holy.

Truly Jesus saw you coming, preaching in His Name, calling HIM Lord, Lord, but refusing to "DO" as HE instructed, which is to Glorify God, HIS Father, "As God", choosing instead to "live by" the doctrines and traditions of the "other voice" in the garden God placed us in.

What if the Jesus "of the bible" is right. Shall a "man of God" not consider this possibility?

Christians follow and glorify the Lord Jesus Christ – not Moses, not Israel, not the Law, not the Jewish Sabbath. Exalting these pitiful substitutes that passed away long ago rejects and dishonors Jesus Christ. Sunday, the Lord’s Day, is a weekly privilege to glorify Jesus Christ on the day He ordained for worship. Christians always take N.T. ordinances and tradition over O.T. ceremonial or national laws.

Abraham was a "Christian", Moses was a "Christian", Caleb and Joshua were "Christians", David was a Christian, Shadrack was a "Christian", Zacharias, Simeon and Anna were all "Christians".

"Christians" "Live by" Every Word of God, according to the Christ Jesus "of the Bible". "Christians", as Paul defines, are those who "Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God".

"Christians" are, according to the Jesus "of the Bible", "true worshippers that worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him."

It is true, and the Jesus "of the Bible" has clearly warned, that "many" call themself a "Christian" and have "transformed themself" into apostles of Christ. And you do honor Him with their lips, and like you, do preach in His Name, and do many wonderful works in His Name.

But they despise the Feasts of the Lord, shadows of things "yet to come", and have adopted ancient pagan high days that the Catholics placed Jesus Name on. You despise HIS Sabbaths, as unworthy of your respect and honor, choosing instead to honor the Catholic sabbath, and you lie about God's Judgments, commandments and Laws that HE gave to Noah and Abraham and Abrahams Children, calling them "Jewish". You also promote the insidious lie that God knowingly created instruction in righteousness, impossible for a man to walk in, then killed them when they didn't walk in them.

Jesus would never, and did not ever promote such a religious philosophy. In fact, the mainstream religion of His Time, which lived by the exact same philosophy, who like you "profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate", HE rebuked and told them to repent, or they will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Jesus Himself told me that if a man doesn't believe Moses, which you clearly do not, then you won't believe Jesus, which you also clearly do not.

So Red, why would I allow you, or any promoter of this world's religious system, to teach me what a "Christian" is, when I have the Oracles of God in my own home, which warns me not to listen to you?

Cults like the Seventh-Day Adventists and their imitators (folks like you) glorify Saturday. They exalt Moses and the O.T. over Jesus and Paul and the N.T.

One religious business of this world's religious system is no better than another religious business of this world's religious system. You believe you are superior because your adopted religious sect is superior. I have found your religious cult no different that SDA, JW's or any on this world's religious sects who call Jesus Lord, Lord, but "work iniquity".

I Glorify God by "Yielding myself" to Him Red. I do this because both Jesus, and the Apostle Paul that God gave to Jesus, instructed me that this is how to Glorify the Son.

Matt. 5: 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Clearly Jesus has not yet returned, therefore, not "ALL" has been fulfilled.

Rom. 15: 5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant "you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus": 6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, "even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ".

You must deflect away from the Priesthood covenant God gave to Levi, that was Prophesied to change "after those days" and change the subject just as you have 3 or 4 times now.

No doubt you will do so again in your mission to justify your adopted religious sect.

I will follow up on the rest of this post another time.

 

[Red Baker]

I will follow up on the rest of this post another time.

You are worse than a high maintained woman! In my last post, I decided to go almost word by word in the post you said that I refused to address, and was working my way through it so you would have no excuse ~ yet you no sooner started right back with your excess ranting of accusing me of me of being on a mission to justify my adopted religious sect, which truly I do not belong to any!

Studyman, what do you want me to address in my next post, spell it out for me and I will? Then after that I'm going to Hebrews 7-10 with you, or without you, and expose your worthless gospel of works as much as possible ~ God being my helper.

 

[TedT]

Really not interested in your considered opinion.

I capitalize the C in imCo to indicate the word is Christian. It is not surprising that the only one to make this mistake in all the years I've used imCo to indicate I am not pronouncing absolute truth is by a blinkered Calvinist who claims to sprout absolute truth with every fiery breath, sigh.

 

[praise_yeshua]

First of all, I do not believe in "chances" to be born again. God never gave Abraham a chance, he called Abraham alone by his grace.

I'd love for you to provide evidence of such? You don't know anything about Abram before He expressed faith in God. None of us do.

Which is why the Scriptures declare......

Joh 3:8 The wind blows wherever it will, and you hear the sound it makes, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Don't overstate your claims.

 

[civic]

You keep misdirecting and deflecting Red. First you say God's Laws that Jesus and the examples of Faithful men given us in the Holy scriptures walked in, were not God's Laws, but "Israel's Laws". Of course, even a child could spend 2 minutes in Scriptures and find this is a Lie, which I showed. But instead of admitting your sin and growing in the knowledge of God, you just deflect and move to another false teaching. "No, this is wrong, there's only one covenant". Again, a child can read the Bible and see that there are several Covenants given by the God of Abraham. So I show you this, and do you repent of your sin, and grow in the knowledge of God? No Red, you lie about your own words, claiming you didn't say them. When I called you out on this, did you repent of your lie and grow in the knowledge of God? NO Red, you just deflected again, to another lie. "God's Sabbaths are "Jewish Sabbaths".

I know what the Catholic Sabbath is. And that her Protestant Daughters, including Calvinists, have also adopted them. But I have chosen not to adopt and promote the popular religious traditions and philosophies of the religious business of Catholicism. I have chosen not to "live by" the Catholic Traditions, high days, and judgments that you have adopted and are now promoting to others.

Instead, I strive to "live by" the Words that the Jesus "of the bible" instructed men to "Live by". I posted HIS Words instructing this, but you ignored HIM. This would include the Sabbaths and Feasts, judgments and commandments that the Jesus "of the Bible" walked in and honored from His Heart. That includes the Sabbath that God, Not Constantine, "made for man".

Jesus said if I do this, I will receive ridicule and persecution from this world's religious system who preach to the world that God's Laws are worthless "Jewish Traditions", but the traditions and high days of the religious sect of the Catholic, are holy.

Truly Jesus saw you coming, preaching in His Name, calling HIM Lord, Lord, but refusing to "DO" as HE instructed, which is to Glorify God, HIS Father, "As God", choosing instead to "live by" the doctrines and traditions of the "other voice" in the garden God placed us in.

What if the Jesus "of the bible" is right. Shall a "man of God" not consider this possibility?




Abraham was a "Christian", Moses was a "Christian", Caleb and Joshua were "Christians", David was a Christian, Shadrack was a "Christian", Zacharias, Simeon and Anna were all "Christians".

"Christians" "Live by" Every Word of God, according to the Christ Jesus "of the Bible". "Christians", as Paul defines, are those who "Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God".

"Christians" are, according to the Jesus "of the Bible", "true worshippers that worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him."

It is true, and the Jesus "of the Bible" has clearly warned, that "many" call themself a "Christian" and have "transformed themself" into apostles of Christ. And you do honor Him with their lips, and like you, do preach in His Name, and do many wonderful works in His Name.

But they despise the Feasts of the Lord, shadows of things "yet to come", and have adopted ancient pagan high days that the Catholics placed Jesus Name on. You despise HIS Sabbaths, as unworthy of your respect and honor, choosing instead to honor the Catholic sabbath, and you lie about God's Judgments, commandments and Laws that HE gave to Noah and Abraham and Abrahams Children, calling them "Jewish". You also promote the insidious lie that God knowingly created instruction in righteousness, impossible for a man to walk in, then killed them when they didn't walk in them.

Jesus would never, and did not ever promote such a religious philosophy. In fact, the mainstream religion of His Time, which lived by the exact same philosophy, who like you "profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate", HE rebuked and told them to repent, or they will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Jesus Himself told me that if a man doesn't believe Moses, which you clearly do not, then you won't believe Jesus, which you also clearly do not.

So Red, why would I allow you, or any promoter of this world's religious system, to teach me what a "Christian" is, when I have the Oracles of God in my own home, which warns me not to listen to you?




One religious business of this world's religious system is no better than another religious business of this world's religious system. You believe you are superior because your adopted religious sect is superior. I have found your religious cult no different that SDA, JW's or any on this world's religious sects who call Jesus Lord, Lord, but "work iniquity".

I Glorify God by "Yielding myself" to Him Red. I do this because both Jesus, and the Apostle Paul that God gave to Jesus, instructed me that this is how to Glorify the Son.

Matt. 5: 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Clearly Jesus has not yet returned, therefore, not "ALL" has been fulfilled.

Rom. 15: 5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant "you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus": 6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, "even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ".

You must deflect away from the Priesthood covenant God gave to Levi, that was Prophesied to change "after those days" and change the subject just as you have 3 or 4 times now.

No doubt you will do so again in your mission to justify your adopted religious sect.

I will follow up on the rest of this post another time.

What is your church affiliation ? What denominational church do you attend ?

 

[Studyman]

You are worse than a high maintained woman!

LOL, You remind me of a joke I heard about an adulterous husband who lied to his wife over and over to cover up for his sinful lifestyle. After years of this abuse to his faithful wife, she finally had enough and yelled at him, "You are an unfaithful and adulterous husband, you are a liar, and your feet stink.

The husband, in fiery indignation yelled back to her, "My feet do not stink".

In my last post, I decided to go almost word by word in the post you said that I refused to address, and was working my way through it so you would have no excuse ~ yet you no sooner started right back with your excess ranting of accusing me of me of being on a mission to justify my adopted religious sect, which truly I do not belong to any!

Studyman, what do you want me to address in my next post, spell it out for me and I will?

No you won't Red!

You have had a dozen chances to answer my questions, examine Scriptures that I posted, and engage in honest discourse, not only here, but dozens of opportunities in years past. But all you do is justify yourself, your adopted religious sect, and its philosophies. Even in this post, like you do to God's Word, you refused to even acknowledge Scriptures posted, nor will you even discuss the challenges the Scriptures make to your adopted religious philosophy, instead, you reply to the last sentence, as if that is all that was written.

Why would I believe that now, all of the sudden, you want to "Address the Scriptures" I post, and their relevance to the discussion, in "my Next Post"?

Then after that I'm going to Hebrews 7-10 with you, or without you, and expose your worthless gospel of works as much as possible ~ God being my helper.

I already posted Scriptures in these 4 chapters to show what they are about, in the Hope that you would honestly engage with me. I posted other Scriptures that challenged your adopted religious philosophy, and you ignored them as well.

Can you find even ONE Prophesy in the Law and Prophets from Gen. 1-Malichi 4, where the Lord, the Messiah was prophesied to come and abolish God's Laws? I challenge you to find even ONE. But the Prophesy of a changed Priesthood, and God's desire for obedience, not Sacrifice, is shown you over and over and over and over in the Holy Scriptures. Hebrews 7-11 confirm these Prophesies.

But Red, even though this is undeniably true, and you will find no evidence in the bible to the Contrary, it won't matter to you. Why???

Well for the religious sects of this world in Jesus' time, who behaved in the exact same manner, it is because this world's religious traditions, judgments and philosophy is more important to them, than the Actual Word of God that Jesus and His Father said to Live by.

Given your refusal to address Scriptures referenced and your refusal to answer questions asked, which is exactly what the promoters of the mainstream religious sect of Jesus and Paul's time did, it seems you too, are more interested in promoting this world's religious sects, than "living by" the Word of God as the Jesus "of the Bible" instructed.

So at some point you can humble yourself to the actual Word of God, and "Yield yourself" to them "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness", as they were intended, or you can continue walking "according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience".

My hope is that you will consider, "What if the Jesus "of the Bible" is right".

 

[Red Baker]

I capitalize the C in imCo to indicate the word is Christian. It is not surprising that the only one to make this mistake in all the years I've used imCo to indicate I am not pronouncing absolute truth is by a blinkered Calvinist who claims to sprout absolute truth with every fiery breath, sigh.

Please accept my apology, I was not totally sure.. My bad. Next time I'll know

 

[Studyman]

What is your church affiliation ? What denominational church do you attend ?

It's the same church Noah, Abraham, Elijah, Moses, David, Daniel, Shadrack, Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, Paul, James, Matthew and the other examples of Faithful men in the Holy scriptures attended. You can read about this church in Rev. 14:12. The Christ Jesus "of the Bible" is the head of this church, and the Words which proceeds out of the Mouth of God abides in its members, and directs their footsteps, as they directed David's and His Lord, the Prophesied Messiah, the Lord's Christ.

This Church is in this world, but is not of this world, so there is no manmade shrine of worship, to be seen of men, no bells or loudspeakers, to be heard of men, and no label or name placed on it, as is the tradition of men. There is no 501 c3, no "non-profit org." sending 10 Cents on the dollar raised to some foreign country, so the promoter can pay for another house in the Keys. There is no selling images of God in the likeness of men or selling Jesus Bobbleheads. There is not AI teachers, or internet sites promoting one religious philosophy over another.

There is only ONE Church, One Lord's Christ, and ONE God and Father of the Lord's Christ, whose Word is in all the members mentioned above, as it is written;

Eph. 4: 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Paul speaks to this several times. I will quote only one of his verses.

Rom. 15: 5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: 6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth "glorify God", even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus and Paul teach men to "Yield themselves" to "this God", and their bodies as instruments of Righteousness unto "this God", and to "Live by" Every Word that proceeds from "This God's" mouth.

Jesus said when a man Denies Himself, and "Does" this, His Father is Glorified.

Matt. 5: 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

This Jesus, "Because" HE "lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness" was granted by His Father a Name above all others, "As Prophesied" in the Law and Prophets, and is even now an advocate between me and other members of God's Church, and His Father, who this Jesus said is the One True God.

Jesus said those "many", who call Him Lord, Lord, but reject God's Commandments and judgments, or as HE calls it, "Work Iniquity", HE doesn't know. Hard to advocate on behalf of someone He doesn't know. This is why Peter said,

2 Peter 3: 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

And again by Paul;

2 Cor. 5: 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

This Jesus tells me;

Rev. 22: 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give "every man" "according as his work shall be". 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

In the world God placed Eve in, there was "another voice" who quoted "some" of God's Word, to convince Eve that this same God could not be trusted, and that HE lied to her.

In the world God placed me in, there are also "other voices" who quote "some" of God's Word, to also convince me that God lied to me. These voices, which are "many", are broken up into hundreds of different religious businesses who basically "sell salvation" by promoting "Blood" as a justification for rejecting God's Word. The Pharisees did this by promoting a religious sect that full well rejected God's commandments and judgments, living instead according to their own judgments, traditions and commandments of men. And yet each week they would offer the blood of a goat or calf to God, "as per the law" to justify their disobedient lifestyle. They sold the "Blood" to perpetuate and preserve their religious sect, and increate their wealth and power. (You can hear about this from Isaiah, in Chapter 1, and John 2: 15,16.)

And they ridiculed, demeaned, persecuted and even killed men who would "Join themselves" to God, as did the other members of His Church.

God never wanted sacrifice, according to Scriptures, only that men would "Yield themselves" to Him, and learn obedience. The Sacrifice was His Mercy towards men, so they might repent and turn to Him, and join themselves to the Lord, as members of His Church.

God placed me in a world where these same ""other voices" exist. They have created monster religious businesses selling Salvation. They have rejected the Feasts of the Lord, which are shadows of things "Yet to Come", and have created their own high days which are shadows of nothing, and created huge religious business prompting them. Entire economies are made or broken depending on the sales associated with their manmade high days, while the Feasts of the Lord are despised and decarded and forgotten. They promote literally hundreds of different religious sects and franchises, who call Jesus Lord, Lord, all competing with each other for contributing members, but full well reject God's commandments so that they can live by their own judgments, traditions and laws. And yet each week, they offer to God the blood of the Lamb of God, "as per the law", as justification for their disobedient lifestyle.

They all insist that God lied to me when HE said to obey Him, preaching to the world that God created instruction impossible to obey. And they preach that Jesus deceived me, when HE said a man should "Live by" these same Words, which they judge as worthless Jewish traditions that Jesus and the other members of God's Church walked in.

And they ridicule, demean and in the past have even killed those who would join themselves to God, and follow the instruction of His Priest, the Lord's Christ. Even as the Jesus "of the bible" said would happen.

I know this "Church of God" is not popular in this world and has never been. Yet there are little flocks all over the earth, that have Yielded themselves to God, and trust His Son, who sacrificed Himself for us,

It is this church that I advocate for. There is a cost, as Jesus told us. But as Paul said, the cost is counted as dung, compared to the wisdom God gives to those who obey Him.

All that I advocate for, is that men turn away from the other voices in the garden who call Jesus Lord, Lord, take the Yoke of the Jesus "of the bible" on them, and learn from Him. They are lying to men, preaching that it is impossible for a man to deny himself, and learn to obey God. Don't listen to them, live by God's Word, as the Jesus of the bible teaches.

Ps. 119: 69 The proud have forged a lie against me: but I will keep thy precepts with my whole heart. 70 Their heart is as fat as grease; but I delight in thy law. 71 It is good for me that I have been afflicted; that I might learn thy statutes.

73 JOD. Thy hands have made me and fashioned me: give me understanding, that I may learn thy commandments. 74 They that fear thee will be glad when they see me; because I have hoped in thy word.

Is. 1: 16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; 17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. 18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. 19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

This is the Church of God, guided by the Gospel of Christ.

 

[Red Baker]

What is your church affiliation ? What denominational church do you attend ?

None, much like Christ during his days on the earth.

Hebrews 13:12-14~"Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate. Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach. For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come".

Unto Christ, shows, that Christ is not to be found in the camp, or, in the religious world/churches of Babylon. This not to say there are none there, of course there are, but for the most part the Anna's, and Simeon's are long gone. Christ was not welcome in the temple of God is his days, so there.

2nd Timothy 3:1-5
"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."

Read down to 2nd Timothy 4:5!

 

[civic]

It's the same church Noah, Abraham, Elijah, Moses, David, Daniel, Shadrack, Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, Paul, James, Matthew and the other examples of Faithful men in the Holy scriptures attended. You can read about this church in Rev. 14:12. The Christ Jesus "of the Bible" is the head of this church, and the Words which proceeds out of the Mouth of God abides in its members, and directs their footsteps, as they directed David's and His Lord, the Prophesied Messiah, the Lord's Christ.

This Church is in this world, but is not of this world, so there is no manmade shrine of worship, to be seen of men, no bells or loudspeakers, to be heard of men, and no label or name placed on it, as is the tradition of men. There is no 501 c3, no "non-profit org." sending 10 Cents on the dollar raised to some foreign country, so the promoter can pay for another house in the Keys. There is no selling images of God in the likeness of men or selling Jesus Bobbleheads. There is not AI teachers, or internet sites promoting one religious philosophy over another.

There is only ONE Church, One Lord's Christ, and ONE God and Father of the Lord's Christ, whose Word is in all the members mentioned above, as it is written;

Eph. 4: 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Paul speaks to this several times. I will quote only one of his verses.

Rom. 15: 5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: 6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth "glorify God", even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus and Paul teach men to "Yield themselves" to "this God", and their bodies as instruments of Righteousness unto "this God", and to "Live by" Every Word that proceeds from "This God's" mouth.

Jesus said when a man Denies Himself, and "Does" this, His Father is Glorified.

Matt. 5: 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

This Jesus, "Because" HE "lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness" was granted by His Father a Name above all others, "As Prophesied" in the Law and Prophets, and is even now an advocate between me and other members of God's Church, and His Father, who this Jesus said is the One True God.

Jesus said those "many", who call Him Lord, Lord, but reject God's Commandments and judgments, or as HE calls it, "Work Iniquity", HE doesn't know. Hard to advocate on behalf of someone He doesn't know. This is why Peter said,

2 Peter 3: 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

And again by Paul;

2 Cor. 5: 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

This Jesus tells me;

Rev. 22: 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give "every man" "according as his work shall be". 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

In the world God placed Eve in, there was "another voice" who quoted "some" of God's Word, to convince Eve that this same God could not be trusted, and that HE lied to her.

In the world God placed me in, there are also "other voices" who quote "some" of God's Word, to also convince me that God lied to me. These voices, which are "many", are broken up into hundreds of different religious businesses who basically "sell salvation" by promoting "Blood" as a justification for rejecting God's Word. The Pharisees did this by promoting a religious sect that full well rejected God's commandments and judgments, living instead according to their own judgments, traditions and commandments of men. And yet each week they would offer the blood of a goat or calf to God, "as per the law" to justify their disobedient lifestyle. They sold the "Blood" to perpetuate and preserve their religious sect, and increate their wealth and power. (You can hear about this from Isaiah, in Chapter 1, and John 2: 15,16.)

And they ridiculed, demeaned, persecuted and even killed men who would "Join themselves" to God, as did the other members of His Church.

God never wanted sacrifice, according to Scriptures, only that men would "Yield themselves" to Him, and learn obedience. The Sacrifice was His Mercy towards men, so they might repent and turn to Him, and join themselves to the Lord, as members of His Church.

God placed me in a world where these same ""other voices" exist. They have created monster religious businesses selling Salvation. They have rejected the Feasts of the Lord, which are shadows of things "Yet to Come", and have created their own high days which are shadows of nothing, and created huge religious business prompting them. Entire economies are made or broken depending on the sales associated with their manmade high days, while the Feasts of the Lord are despised and decarded and forgotten. They promote literally hundreds of different religious sects and franchises, who call Jesus Lord, Lord, all competing with each other for contributing members, but full well reject God's commandments so that they can live by their own judgments, traditions and laws. And yet each week, they offer to God the blood of the Lamb of God, "as per the law", as justification for their disobedient lifestyle.

They all insist that God lied to me when HE said to obey Him, preaching to the world that God created instruction impossible to obey. And they preach that Jesus deceived me, when HE said a man should "Live by" these same Words, which they judge as worthless Jewish traditions that Jesus and the other members of God's Church walked in.

And they ridicule, demean and in the past have even killed those who would join themselves to God, and follow the instruction of His Priest, the Lord's Christ. Even as the Jesus "of the bible" said would happen.

I know this "Church of God" is not popular in this world and has never been. Yet there are little flocks all over the earth, that have Yielded themselves to God, and trust His Son, who sacrificed Himself for us,

It is this church that I advocate for. There is a cost, as Jesus told us. But as Paul said, the cost is counted as dung, compared to the wisdom God gives to those who obey Him.

All that I advocate for, is that men turn away from the other voices in the garden who call Jesus Lord, Lord, take the Yoke of the Jesus "of the bible" on them, and learn from Him. They are lying to men, preaching that it is impossible for a man to deny himself, and learn to obey God. Don't listen to them, live by God's Word, as the Jesus of the bible teaches.

Ps. 119: 69 The proud have forged a lie against me: but I will keep thy precepts with my whole heart. 70 Their heart is as fat as grease; but I delight in thy law. 71 It is good for me that I have been afflicted; that I might learn thy statutes.

73 JOD. Thy hands have made me and fashioned me: give me understanding, that I may learn thy commandments. 74 They that fear thee will be glad when they see me; because I have hoped in thy word.

Is. 1: 16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; 17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. 18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. 19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

This is the Church of God, guided by the Gospel of Christ.

Who do you fellowship with ?

 

[Red Baker]

I already posted Scriptures in these 4 chapters to show what they are about, in the Hope that you would honestly engage with me. I posted other Scriptures that challenged your adopted religious philosophy, and you ignored them as well.

Not even close! You have trouble being honest, shame on you.

I'll start tomorrow and consider every verses in Hebrews 7-10. I truly do not care if you participate or not, but you are more than welcome to do so, if only you stay with those chapters, if not, then please do not post, and waste my time.

 

[Studyman]

Who do you fellowship with ?

What do you mean by fellowship? Are your threads against the philosophy of the religious sect of the Calvinist “fellowship”? Did Jesus “fellowship” with the religious sect of the Pharisees?

You would have to define fellowship, in the context you are using it, before I could answer your question.

 

[civic]

What do you mean by fellowship? Are your threads against the philosophy of the religious sect of the Calvinist “fellowship”? Did Jesus “fellowship” with the religious sect of the Pharisees?

You would have to define fellowship, in the context you are using it, before I could answer your question.

do you meet regularly with other believers in person? yes or no

its a simple question.