What Does “Another Gospel” Mean?

do you meet regularly with other believers in person? yes or no

its a simple question.

So when you rebuke the promoters of Calvinism and JW philosophy, is this your definition of “meeting regularly with other believers”?

This is not my first encounter with you Civic. It is important that you define for me what you mean when you say “Fellowship”.

It’s a simple question.
 
So when you rebuke the promoters of Calvinism and JW philosophy, is this your definition of “meeting regularly with other believers”?

This is not my first encounter with you Civic. It is important that you define for me what you mean when you say “Fellowship”.

It’s a simple question.
no I meet regularly with 2 home groups weekly and 3 mens discipleship groups weekly in person and this is not counting Sunday church meetings.

now its your turn to say who you meet with or don't meet with on a regular basis. ............
 
The phrase "another Gospel" refers to anything that adds to, subtracts from, contradicts, or denies the gospel contained in the Bible. In the context of the New Testament, it was used by Paul to warn against teachings that deviated from the gospel of Jesus' work of redemption. Essentially, the gospel is one, and any variation is not equivalent to the true gospel.

Let's start the discussion with this post from @Red Baker
Yes other doctrines' Here is what Jesus teaches= the real doctrine
John 17:1-6,26--Verse 3 The one who sent Jesus= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD--Verse 6=YHVH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHVH(Jehovah)
Matt 6:33--Keep on seeking - FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)
Hallowed be thy( Father) name=YHVH(Jehovah)

So yes when ones teachers( religion) does not match Jesus= RUN FROM THEM.
 
no I meet regularly with 2 home groups weekly and 3 mens discipleship groups weekly in person and this is not counting Sunday church meetings.

now its your turn to say who you meet with or don't meet with on a regular basis. ............
Greetings civic,

A brief timeline of my Christian journey, so I can give you a complete answer.

I started out in 1974 in the Independent Baptist movement~Oliver B. Greene; Harold Slighter, etc. I live on the buckler of the Bible belt here in Greenville, S.C. I was a young man 26 years old with a small family.

I stay in that movement for around two to three years, during which time I sought the Lord with all of my being, and it left me without a church with my small family. During which time (1974 to 1981, or so,) I visited many churches trying to find some sincere, bible loving Christians, who truly love the scriptures and were willing to lose all to follow them correctly. I ended up in a home setting with some other believers doing the same.

In 1986 I found a group of believers (around 75, or so) who were very zealous for the truth and toward each other. This lasted until 1992/93, when the church spilt over the pastor committing adultery ~ we continue on for another few years until everyone went back to the city they came from, and I went to home worship with a few people. After around ten years or so, the church that split got their act together and we went back there for around ten years, until I saw that it was necessary to leave for the final time, (around 2011, or so) for reasons I'll keep to myself since there is no profit in discussing this.

I have always been Baptistic in my understanding of the truth, and that will never change.

So, this is a quick sum of my journey.
 
We are going to start here where the Holy Spirit starts that will open up the two covenants which is presented to us from Genesis to the end of the word of God concerning how sinners are made righteous, and inherit eternal life, which is the sum teaching of the scriptures and should be our main concern, many truths take a back seat to this all important truth. That's not to say, other biblical truths are not important, for they are, yet, missed this truth and it could have eternal consequences.

When enumerating the special blessings which God had conferred upon the Israelites, Paul declared that unto them belonged “the covenants” (Rom. 9:4). To the Galatians he expounded “the two covenants” (4:24-31). The Ephesian saints were reminded that in their unregenerate days they were “strangers from the covenants of promise” (2:12). The entire Epistle to the Hebrews is an exposition of the “better covenant” of which Christ is the Mediator (8:6).

Salvation through Jesus Christ is according to “the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God” (Acts 2:23), and He was pleased to make known His eternal purpose of mercy, unto the fathers, in the form of a series of covenants, which were of different characters and revealed at various times. These covenants enter into the very nature, and pervade with their peculiar qualities the whole system of Divine truth. They have an intimate connection with each other and a common relation to a single purpose, being, in fact, so many successive stages in the unfolding of the scheme of Divine Grace. They treat of the Divine side of things, disclosing the source from which all blessings come to men, and making known the Channel (Christ) through which they flow to them. Each one (from Adam, Noah, to Abraham, to David, etc.) reveals some new and fundamental aspect of truth, and in considering them in their Scriptural order we may clearly perceive the progress of revelation which they respectively indicated. They set forth the great design of God which was to be accomplished by the Redeemer of His people.

The Everlasting Covenant, with its shadowing's forth in His temporal covenants, forms the basis of all His dealings with His people. Many proofs of this are to be met with in Holy Scriptures. For example, when God heard the groanings of the Hebrews in Egypt, we are told that He “remembered His covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob” (Exo. 2:24 and cf. 6:2-8). When Israel was oppressed by the Syrians in the days of Jehoahaz, we read, “And the LORD was gracious unto them, and had compassion on them, and had respect unto them, because of his covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob” (2 Kings 13:23 and cf. Psa. 106:43-45). At a later period, when God determined to show mercy unto Israel, after He had sorely afflicted them for their sins, He expressed it thus, “Nevertheless I will remember My covenant with thee in the days of thy youth” (Eze. 16:60). As the Psalmist declared, “He hath given meat unto them that fear him: He will ever be mindful of His covenant” (111:5). The same blessed truth is set forth in the New Testament that the Covenant is the foundation from which proceed all the gracious works of God. This is rendered as the reason for sending Christ into the world: “To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember His holy covenant” (Luke1:72). Remarkable too is that word in Hebrews 13:20 “Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant.” Another illustration of the same principle is found in Hebrews 10:15, 16, “Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that He had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them”-the words we have placed in italics supply proof that the good which God does unto His people is grounded on His covenant. Anything which in Scripture is said to be done unto us “for Christ’s sake” signifies it is done by virtue of that covenant which God made with Christ as the Head of His mystical body.

As G.S. Bishop pointed out, “It is clear that there can be but two and only two covenants possible between God and men-a covenant founded upon what man shall do for salvation, a covenant founded upon what God shall do for him to save him: in other words, a Covenant of Works and a Covenant of Grace." Just as all the Divine promises in the Old Testament are summed up in two chief ones-the sending of Christ and the pouring out of the Spirit-so all the Divine covenants may be reduced unto two, the other subordinate ones being only confirmations or adumbrations of them, or having to do with their economical administration

Later....much more to come.
 
Greetings civic,

A brief timeline of my Christian journey, so I can give you a complete answer.

I started out in 1974 in the Independent Baptist movement~Oliver B. Greene; Harold Slighter, etc. I live on the buckler of the Bible belt here in Greenville, S.C. I was a young man 26 years old with a small family.

I stay in that movement for around two to three years, during which time I sought the Lord with all of my being, and it left me without a church with my small family. During which time (1974 to 1981, or so,) I visited many churches trying to find some sincere, bible loving Christians, who truly love the scriptures and were willing to lose all to follow them correctly. I ended up in a home setting with some other believers doing the same.

In 1986 I found a group of believers (around 75, or so) who were very zealous for the truth and toward each other. This lasted until 1992/93, when the church spilt over the pastor committing adultery ~ we continue on for another few years until everyone went back to the city they came from, and I went to home worship with a few people. After around ten years or so, the church that split got their act together and we went back there for around ten years, until I saw that it was necessary to leave for the final time, (around 2011, or so) for reasons I'll keep to myself since there is no profit in discussing this.

I have always been Baptistic in my understanding of the truth, and that will never change.

So, this is a quick sum of my journey.
thanks for sharing I appreciate it brother.
 

So "NO"!

"Fellowship", in the context that you are using the word, doesn't mean meeting regularly with Calvinists and JW's and Catholics.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I meet regularly with 2 home groups weekly and 3 mens discipleship groups weekly in person and this is not counting Sunday church meetings.

But you only gather with those who have adopted the philosophies, traditions and judgments of the religious sect of the Armenian (Baptist) religious sect, yes? And you only abide by and copy and paste from sermons and religious websites that support and promote the religious business of the "Baptist" religion, like "gotquestions", and the "BBS".

You don't promote the philosophies of the religious sect of Calvinism, or JW, nor do you copy and paste from websites that support and promote their religious philosophy. Your adopted religion competes with these other popular religious sects of this world that make up the religious system I spoke about, but you completely ignored.

This is because you have chosen not to adopt Calvinism or JW philosophy, but have chosen instead, their competitor, the religious business/sect of the Baptist religion, and you are here to defend, justify and promote their religious philosophies, in the exact same way that Calvinist are here to defend, justify and promote Calvinism.

But Calvinism, Baptists, Methodist, Catholic, Mormon, Lutheran, and many other competing religious sects which make us this world's religious system, all have one thing in common with the Pharisees and the Sadducees who also competed against each other for contributing members, and that is they all reject the judgments, commandments and statutes of God, so that you can "Live By" your own manmade judgments, high days and doctrines.

This is undeniably true. Jesus specifically warned about "many" deceivers, "who come in His Name", who call Him Lord, Lord, but refuse to "DO" as HE instructs.

The point is, this religious system that you have adopted and are now promoting to others, in competition with the Calvinists, is not a system promoted by God, His Prophets, His Son, or the Apostles HE gave to His Son. This is why Jesus said to "Come out of her".

What I advocate for, is the same thing Jesus and Paul advocated for, Moses and David advocated for, Jeremiah and Isaiah advocated for, and that is to turn away from "the course of this world", the religions of the world God placed men in, and "Yield ourselves" to God and our body as instruments of righteousness unto God and learn to "Live By" Every Word of God, as Jesus instructed, not live by the philosophies of the religious business of the Baptist, or the Calvinists, or the SDA, or any religious business which make up this world's religious system.

While I know that most of the promoters of this world's religions are snared and have invested so much into their specific religious business that they feel like they can't get out, even though they can maybe see and are sometimes even pricked by the difference in what the scriptures actually say, and the philosophies they promote. (Like Paul was) And it is true that if they were to turn away from the doctrines and judgments and traditions of man you promote, they would receive ridicule and rejection from all the competing religious sects of this world, and family members as well. One can only imagine the cost of repenting, and turning to God, that Paul endured. But Paul said it was worth it.

Someone on this forum may need to hear these things and may desire to have an honest discussion about them. I want to let them know they are not alone.


now its your turn to say who you meet with or don't meet with on a regular basis. ............

I and my family were alone in the beginning, but God in His Tender Mercy led us to other men and families who believed all that is written, as Paul and I do. We fast from the world, every Sabbath of God as Jesus instructed, to examine scriptures and how they apply to our inward man. (Temple of God) To share our mistakes and shortcomings and really dig into the Word God created for our admonition, "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works"

We have the Teachers God appointed for us, that Jesus instructed to listen to. In this way men grow in the Wisdom and knowledge of God.

Of course, this world's religious system cannot abide this belief, and works to discourage such faith. If everyone became "doers" of the Christ's Sayings, there would be no religious business of the Baptist, Calvinist, JW's, Mormons, Catholic, etc., just as there would be no Pharisees or Sadducees. There would be no religious 501 c3's, no images of God in the likeness of long-haired handsome men. No competing religious sects. No manmade shrines of worship, no more manmade high days to generate massive wealth for the merchants of the earth. There would be Just Men, "Learned of God" to walk in the good works God before ordained that we should "walk in them", living by "Every Word" that proceeds from the mouth of God, not Calvin, or Wesley, or Russell or any of a number of religious men, "other voices" who transformed themselves into apostles of Christ".

This is the earth I hope to inherit.

2 Pet. 3: 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that "ye look for such things", be diligent that ye may be "found of him" in peace, without spot, and blameless.

Paul taught the exact same thing.

2 Cor. 5: 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

I simply advocate that men honor the Jesus, "of the bible", with more than their lips and stop using His Name as a marketing strategy to promote a religious business.
 
Guess whose religion is at the food bar to choose from? Yours, it is right next to the SDA, a group that no doubt has influenced you greatly whether or not you are willingly to agree that it has.

God is not a 7 Day Adventist. Nor is HE a Jew, the implication of your preaching notwithstanding. He is God. HE is my influence. It is HIS Word that abides in me. If I should say His Word doesn't abide in me, I would be a liar, like you. But just so you are told, and can clearly see, the reason why I reject Calvinism and the rest of this world's religious system, is because God's Word doesn't abide in them.

Here is my influence.

Ex. 20: 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day "is the sabbath of the LORD thy God": in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Lev. 11: 44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 45 For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy. 46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth: 47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

Matt. 4: 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

You don't believe, live by or promote God's Word's, nor the Jesus "of the Bible's" Words posted above. You are free to peddle whatever religion you want, maybe it doesn't matter. But I'm sticking to the Jesus "of the Bible".




 
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So "NO"!

"Fellowship", in the context that you are using the word, doesn't mean meeting regularly with Calvinists and JW's and Catholics.

Thanks for clearing that up.



But you only gather with those who have adopted the philosophies, traditions and judgments of the religious sect of the Armenian (Baptist) religious sect, yes? And you only abide by and copy and paste from sermons and religious websites that support and promote the religious business of the "Baptist" religion, like "gotquestions", and the "BBS".

You don't promote the philosophies of the religious sect of Calvinism, or JW, nor do you copy and paste from websites that support and promote their religious philosophy. Your adopted religion competes with these other popular religious sects of this world that make up the religious system I spoke about, but you completely ignored.

This is because you have chosen not to adopt Calvinism or JW philosophy, but have chosen instead, their competitor, the religious business/sect of the Baptist religion, and you are here to defend, justify and promote their religious philosophies, in the exact same way that Calvinist are here to defend, justify and promote Calvinism.

But Calvinism, Baptists, Methodist, Catholic, Mormon, Lutheran, and many other competing religious sects which make us this world's religious system, all have one thing in common with the Pharisees and the Sadducees who also competed against each other for contributing members, and that is they all reject the judgments, commandments and statutes of God, so that you can "Live By" your own manmade judgments, high days and doctrines.

This is undeniably true. Jesus specifically warned about "many" deceivers, "who come in His Name", who call Him Lord, Lord, but refuse to "DO" as HE instructs.

The point is, this religious system that you have adopted and are now promoting to others, in competition with the Calvinists, is not a system promoted by God, His Prophets, His Son, or the Apostles HE gave to His Son. This is why Jesus said to "Come out of her".

What I advocate for, is the same thing Jesus and Paul advocated for, Moses and David advocated for, Jeremiah and Isaiah advocated for, and that is to turn away from "the course of this world", the religions of the world God placed men in, and "Yield ourselves" to God and our body as instruments of righteousness unto God and learn to "Live By" Every Word of God, as Jesus instructed, not live by the philosophies of the religious business of the Baptist, or the Calvinists, or the SDA, or any religious business which make up this world's religious system.

While I know that most of the promoters of this world's religions are snared and have invested so much into their specific religious business that they feel like they can't get out, even though they can maybe see and are sometimes even pricked by the difference in what the scriptures actually say, and the philosophies they promote. (Like Paul was) And it is true that if they were to turn away from the doctrines and judgments and traditions of man you promote, they would receive ridicule and rejection from all the competing religious sects of this world, and family members as well. One can only imagine the cost of repenting, and turning to God, that Paul endured. But Paul said it was worth it.

Someone on this forum may need to hear these things and may desire to have an honest discussion about them. I want to let them know they are not alone.




I and my family were alone in the beginning, but God in His Tender Mercy led us to other men and families who believed all that is written, as Paul and I do. We fast from the world, every Sabbath of God as Jesus instructed, to examine scriptures and how they apply to our inward man. (Temple of God) To share our mistakes and shortcomings and really dig into the Word God created for our admonition, "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works"

We have the Teachers God appointed for us, that Jesus instructed to listen to. In this way men grow in the Wisdom and knowledge of God.

Of course, this world's religious system cannot abide this belief, and works to discourage such faith. If everyone became "doers" of the Christ's Sayings, there would be no religious business of the Baptist, Calvinist, JW's, Mormons, Catholic, etc., just as there would be no Pharisees or Sadducees. There would be no religious 501 c3's, no images of God in the likeness of long-haired handsome men. No competing religious sects. No manmade shrines of worship, no more manmade high days to generate massive wealth for the merchants of the earth. There would be Just Men, "Learned of God" to walk in the good works God before ordained that we should "walk in them", living by "Every Word" that proceeds from the mouth of God, not Calvin, or Wesley, or Russell or any of a number of religious men, "other voices" who transformed themselves into apostles of Christ".

This is the earth I hope to inherit.

2 Pet. 3: 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that "ye look for such things", be diligent that ye may be "found of him" in peace, without spot, and blameless.

Paul taught the exact same thing.

2 Cor. 5: 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

I simply advocate that men honor the Jesus, "of the bible", with more than their lips and stop using His Name as a marketing strategy to promote a religious business.
do you meet in your homes or in a neutral building ? also how often do you gather together ?

also thanks for sharing.
 
I see you said not a word in a negative way about the SDA cult.

This page doesn't have enough room to post all the religious businesses that make up this world's religious system. SDA, Catholic, are massive religious businesses that make up part of this world's religious system. There is no difference between the religious business of the 7day Baptists, or SDA, or Calvinism or JW's. They are all religious sects that make up this world's religious system.

So you have made your dishonest attempt to tie my beliefs to one of this world's religious businesses very clear. And you will no doubt continue in this deceptive tactic. But my belief is not influenced by one of this world's religious businesses.


Nevertheless, be as it may be, all professors of religion, truly fall into one of two groups as far as the teaching on Soteriology ~ Calvinism, or Arminianism, or very closely connected to one or the other, for this has been the true battle since the days of the apostles proven by Augustine, and men after him, down to the Reformers and on down to our present generation. Whether or not you will admit it, you are a hard core Arminian, if one only would read behind men who were in that camp, btw, you would make them look like a Calvinist! But, even more, your limited understanding of the scriptures would not even qualify you to be a spokesman among them. Do not take my word, read those debates for yourself and see.


"They are impossible to obey", since the law of God as summed up in the Ten Commandments, are the express image of who God is, and men in the flesh cannot keep them even for one second apart from having been quicken to life with a new man within them, and even then, sin still dwells in their flesh and is present even in their most holy moments be whatever that may be. A man is a liar who denies this to be so, he's greatly deceived by the pride in his heart. A true child of God grieves over this, and trust even more so in Jesus Christ for deliverance in that day. Romans 7:7-25

This is why there is no real difference between Arminian, Calvinist, JW and Mormon religion. You have all been snared to promote the insidious lie that God's created Laws impossible to obey, and placed them, that you preach to the world is a "Yoke of Bondage" (That Jesus walked in) on the Necks of men who trusted and turned to Him, as HE instructed. Then, according to your religion, God lied to men by telling them they could obey, then slaughtered them by the thousands when they didn't.

So in your religion, Jesus had to come a save men from God's Laws, (the Yoke Jesus lived by) by abolishing God's definition of sin. Now you can create your own high days, your own judgments, your own Sabbaths, and your own images of God in the likeness of men, and you are blameless, as long as you "work this iniquity" in Christ's Name.

The reason why I don't believe in your adopted religious philosophy, seductive as it is, is because of what is actually written in scriptures. Scriptures that I have posted, and you refuse to even acknowledge.

Duet. 31: 11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing. 12 Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and "that they may learn", and fear the LORD your God, and "observe to do" all the words of this law: 13 And that their children, (Home born "and" Strangers) which have not known any thing, "may hear", "and learn" to fear the LORD your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

And the Jesus "of the Bible" commands,

John 6: 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore "that hath heard", and "hath learned" of the Father, cometh unto me.

So your adopted religious sect that promotes the Philosophy that it is impossible for a man to "Yield himself" to God, and "Learn obedience" is a doctrine of the devil Red. You really should turn away from this world's religious system, and take the Yoke that Jesus was under. Don't be deceived.
 
Greetings civic,

A brief timeline of my Christian journey, so I can give you a complete answer.

I started out in 1974 in the Independent Baptist movement~Oliver B. Greene; Harold Slighter, etc. I live on the buckler of the Bible belt here in Greenville, S.C. I was a young man 26 years old with a small family.

I stay in that movement for around two to three years, during which time I sought the Lord with all of my being, and it left me without a church with my small family. During which time (1974 to 1981, or so,) I visited many churches trying to find some sincere, bible loving Christians, who truly love the scriptures and were willing to lose all to follow them correctly. I ended up in a home setting with some other believers doing the same.

In 1986 I found a group of believers (around 75, or so) who were very zealous for the truth and toward each other. This lasted until 1992/93, when the church spilt over the pastor committing adultery ~ we continue on for another few years until everyone went back to the city they came from, and I went to home worship with a few people. After around ten years or so, the church that split got their act together and we went back there for around ten years, until I saw that it was necessary to leave for the final time, (around 2011, or so) for reasons I'll keep to myself since there is no profit in discussing this.

I have always been Baptistic in my understanding of the truth, and that will never change.

So, this is a quick sum of my journey.

Sightler once pastored the largest IFB church in South Carolina. I have several of Greene's commentaries. I agree, it really isn't worth discussing such mistakes. Sightlier was something else...... He loved to talk about his children not being able to "bounce a ball" on the "Sabbath". Not that he knew what the Sabbath was. I was licensed and ordain by a local IFB church many years ago. I know them well. I decided to do what they told me to do. "Study to show myself approved". Study is what changed me. They didn't care much for me when I started mentioning their many issues.

Do I know you from other forums?
 
This is why there is no real difference between Arminian, Calvinist, JW and Mormon religion. You have all been snared to promote the insidious lie that God's created Laws impossible to obey, and placed them, that you preach to the world is a "Yoke of Bondage" (That Jesus walked in) on the Necks of men who trusted and turned to Him, as HE instructed. Then, according to your religion, God lied to men by telling them they could obey, then slaughtered them by the thousands when they didn't.

Jesus talked of Moses. Jesus certainly has His own commandments.

As for "obedience"....

There isn't a just man upon the earth that does good and sins not. Do you have issue with Solomon's words?

Ecc 7:20 For there is not a righteous man in the earth, who will do good, and not sin.
 

That's you take on why I teach that certain laws were only for the nation of Israel, especially so the dietary laws (see Acts 10) and certain dress codes, and the Sabbaths days, which was imposed on them until Christ. We as NT Christians do not allow folks to judge us per:

Colossians 2:16​

“Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:”

LOL, once again, you take one sentence from Paul, separate it from the rest of the Chapter, and twist it in order to justify your specific religious sect. But what happens when a man includes more than just one sentence? Watch how Paul's message goes from justifying you, to condemning you by simply considering all of his words.

Col. 2: 6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest any man spoil you "through philosophy" and vain deceit, (Like the teaching that God created laws impossible to obey, and placed them on the necks of men who trusted HIM, then lied to men by telling them they could obey) after the tradition "of men", after the rudiments "of the world", and not after Christ.

And whose Word's Did this same Christ instruct you to live by? Of course you won't answer. But let's continue including more than one sentence from Paul.

11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in "putting off" the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith "of the operation of God", who hath raised him from the dead. (The same God whose Word's Jesus said to Live by. The same God Jesus said to be Learned of)

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; (Not in your religion Red, as you preach to the whole world the following)

"and men in the flesh cannot keep them even for one second apart from having been quicken to life with a new man within them, and even then, sin still dwells in their flesh and is present even in their most holy moments be whatever that may be

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Whose handwriting was against Paul and the Gentiles? You preach to the world it was "God's Handwriting" of ordinances that Jesus came to abolish, that were against Paul and the Gentiles.

15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, (You have adopted the preaching that God, and the Law and Prophets are the powers and principalities Jesus Spoiled)

he made a shew of them openly, (You preach that Jesus came to make a show of His Father, and the Prophets openly)

triumphing over them in it. (You promote the religious philosophy that Jesus Triumphed over His Father, on the cross.

But this philosophy is a lie, a deception. The "mainstream religion" of that time, "who professed to know God", The Pharisees and Scribes, promoted for doctrines the commandments and traditions of Men, as did their fathers, NOT God. Jesus was murdered "because" HE walked in the Commandments of God, and not the "philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world" that the Pharisees were promoting. This is undeniable truth Red, whether you want to admit it or not. You are against me, "because" I advocate being "learned of the Father" and believing Jesus' instruction to "Live by" His Words, not the Pharisees, or the Calvinists, or the Popes.

But the Church of God didn't walk in the traditions, philosophies of men, or rudiments of this world. They took the Yoke of Jesus upon them, and yielded themselves to God, and God's Righteousness. They were "Learned of the Father", not this world religious system they were born into. Paul is admonishing them, not to let men judge them for their obedience to God, even His Judgments and statutes.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of "things to come"; but the body is of Christ.

18 Let no man beguile you of your reward "in a voluntary humility" and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

How could this be talking about you, who reject God's Judgments concerning all these things? Who is judging you because you have "Yielded yourself" a servant to obey God, or have repented and are now "Living by" Every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God?

You twist this verse to condemn God's Judgments. But when all of Paul's words here are considered, he clearly isn't advocating disobedience to God or His judgments at all. He is warning about the religious philosophies and traditions of this world, and not to let the promoters of these religions, judge them in their striving to "Walk in" the good works God before ordained that men should walk in them, like Jesus did.

Let's continue.

19 "And not holding the Head", from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

20 Wherefore, (Because of this) if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not; 22 Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

Didn't you hear Jesus' Own Words as He described these traditions of mainstream religion of His time?

Mark 7: 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

But Red, you are preaching to the world that "The rudiments of this world", the "Vain deceit", the "Traditions of men" like "Touch not; taste not; handle not", were God's commandments, God's handwritten ordinances, same as Passover, and the 4th Commandment, and God's judgments concerning clean and Holy.

Cleary Paul is not promoting your religious philosophy here, which is clearly shown, once again, when more than just one sentence in the chapter in considered.

23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Did Jesus let any man judge Him in His obedience to His Father? Did Paul let anyone Judge Him in "Yielding himself to God", and his body as instruments of righteousness "unto God", including His obedience to God's Sabbath and Feasts? No Red, he didn't. And he is teaching me the same, not to let you judge me in choosing to live by God's instruction and Statutes, which are shadows of "things to come". While the manmade high days and traditions of this world's religious system that you live by, are shadows of nothing.
 
Jesus talked of Moses. Jesus certainly has His own commandments.

John 14: 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

I understand this is a widely taught philosophy, that Jesus came to bring His own laws. But through study of the Scriptures, and Jesus own Words, I have found that HE didn't come to bring His own Laws, but to instruct me to "Live by" His Father's Every Word, as HE did. In this way I am "Learned of the Father".


As for "obedience"....

There isn't a just man upon the earth that does good and sins not. Do you have issue with Solomon's words?

Ecc 7:20 For there is not a righteous man in the earth, who will do good, and not sin.

Ecc. 7: 19 Wisdom strengtheneth the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city. 20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

How much greater then, is the need to "Yield myself" to God, as this same preacher also teaches.

Ecc. 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is "the whole duty of man". 14 For God shall bring "every work" into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

What are you teaching PY? That I should believe Ecc. 7:19, 20, but not Ecc. 12:12,13?

Deut 31: 12 Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, "and that they may learn", and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law: 13 And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, "and learn to fear the LORD your God", as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

Shall we not believe "ALL" that is written?

Phil. 3: 12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Isn't this the whole duty of man, according to the God who inspired the scriptures? To "Learn obedience" by the things we suffer?

Matt. 5: 48 Be ye therefore perfect, "even as your Father which is in heaven" is perfect.
 
Sightler once pastored the largest IFB church in South Carolina. I have several of Greene's commentaries. I agree, it really isn't worth discussing such mistakes. Sightlier was something else...... He loved to talk about his children not being able to "bounce a ball" on the "Sabbath". Not that he knew what the Sabbath was. I was licensed and ordain by a local IFB church many years ago. I know them well. I decided to do what they told me to do. "Study to show myself approved".

Do I know you from other forums?
I'm not sure if we know each other. I have always went by the name RB. or Red Baker.

I believe both Mr. Slighter and Mr. Greene were good men, just deceived on a few things, but, I'll let God judge them, I will not. I went to bible college very briefly at Tabernacle, and sat under Mr. Slighter. Their life was above reproach for sure, I know, I lived around them until both died~OG in 1977; Mr. Slighter around 1994, or so.
I decided to do what they told me to do. "Study to show myself approved". Study is what changed me.
I hear you loud and clear ~ the same hear.

Their eschatology is built on Jewish fables. They both strongly dislike election of grace a doctrine that I love, and just as strongly embrace, and defend.
 
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John 14: 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

I understand this is a widely taught philosophy, that Jesus came to bring His own laws. But through study of the Scriptures, and Jesus own Words, I have found that HE didn't come to bring His own Laws, but to instruct me to "Live by" His Father's Every Word, as HE did. In this way I am "Learned of the Father".

Moses is the issue. Not Jesus. Moses wasn't God. Moses died because he didn't listen to God. You're no different than Moses. Moses wasn't the standard for pleasing God.



If we had a conversation, I believe I could dismantle your arguments rather quickly. I'm starting a youtube channel. Maybe we can do a live session to discuss issues like this?

Let me know your thoughts.
 
I don't think it's about where a person gathers, as much as what religious philosophy a person promotes.
Studyman, you above any man that I have met personally are guilty of using "argumentum ad nauseam" ~ argument by vain repetition.

The title of this thread is.......What Does “Another Gospel” Mean? Truly you have no clue what the true gospel is. Oh, I know you will come back and tell me and others, that yo do not follow
this world's religious system, all have one thing in common with the Pharisees and the Sadducees who also competed against each other for contributing members, and that is they all reject the judgments, commandments and statutes of God, so that you can "Live By" your own manmade judgments, high days and doctrines.
Yet you want others to follow your religious system (yes, YOURS) of living by the Jewish OT scriptures concerning their dietary laws and keeping their Sabbaths days and who knows what else.

And the Jesus "of the Bible" commands,
Studyman, you have another Jesus, not Jesus of the scriptures who you reject that Jesus was God manifest in the flesh. Point blank question for you to answer: Is Jesus Christ in his deity the TRUE GOD and eternal life, the ONLY God man will ever see? answer this.
 
But I'm sticking to the Jesus "of the Bible".
Tell me about "your" Jesus ~ is he the mighty God that was manifest in flesh? Can you walk just as perfect as he walked in the days of his flesh? Did your Jesus come and secure eternal life for those that God had given to him? Tell me, do not danced around my questions to you.
 
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