What Does “Another Gospel” Mean?

[Red Baker]

I don't believe in this Holy Lottery religion, with their manmade high days, their own judgments and Sabbaths and your images of God in the likeness of man, "BECAUSE" such a religion is not promoted in the bible, when "Every word" of God is examined.

Neither do I, that's why I said I do not believe in "chances", which a so-called holy lottery is according to your use of words, mocking God's election of grace that is taught in the word of God, and that not by chances, but according the good pleasure of his own will.

Ephesians 1:5​

“Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,”

Ephesians 1:7​

“In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;”

Not according to some chances, or as you mocked~holy lottery.

Now a person can create a religion, by carefully selecting a verse here and a verse there, while omitting the rest of Scriptures. This is what the Pharisees and other religious sects and businesses of this world did.

Who would better know as I said above already?

But if a person chooses to become a "Doer" of the Christ's Sayings, and not a hearer only, this man will survive the storms of this world, as they have chosen to build their house on the Rock.

The word of God is clear on this matter ~ no man in the flesh choose to become a doer of the word of God, only those who are in the Spirit have thsi power to walk therein, and not only has the power in the new man, but strives to do as the word of God commands his children to live. Romans 8:1-16

4 Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.

You can quote as many scriptures as you like, but, the truth is Isaiah's words were to "MY people"...My nation"... no other nation on earth was God's people, or his nation through whom he gave the word of God and whom he loved in the OT before the coming of Christ and the NT.

Deuteronomy 7:7,8​

“The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt."

I believe what the Holy Scriptures teach, that men are given "Choices" and the Law and Prophets are examples of the consequences of these choices. Paul showed you this in 1 Cor. 10. God knows our choices before we make them, because HE sees our beginning from our end. But you don't, and neither do I. This is undeniable Biblical truth. As I posted, but you ignored, "I (God Almighty) set before you today, Life and Death. Therefore, "Choose Life", (like Abraham did), that you may live.

In Adam, all had a perfect opportunity to chose life over death, and Adam, acting as our head, chose death. So, in Adam all died, and are born with his fallen nature that loves darkness rather than light, because man's works are evil from the womb.

1st Corinthians 15:21,22​

“For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.”
Yes, Abraham chose life only because God first chose him, and called him alone to leave his father's land and to go unto the promised land. Jesus made it very clear:

John 15:16
"Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you."

Here is what Paul actually teaches concerning being at enmity with God

If the man Serves the Law of God with his mind, like Paul did, and "Walks" (Does things) after the Word of God, this man is "Walking after" the Spirit, not "walking" after the Flesh. The man whose mind continues to reject the Word of God, refusing to Walk in them, is walking after the Flesh, and is Carnal. This is why Jesus said to "Live By" Every Word of God, because God is a Spirit, and His Word is Spiritual. This is why Paul said for men to "Yield themselves" unto God, and their body into God's Righteousness, because His Words are Spirit, and they are Life.

As Paul teaches, "Because "the carnal mind" is enmity against God: for it is "not" subject to the law of God, ( that Paul served with his mind, and directed men to "Yield themselves" to) neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are "in the flesh" cannot please God.

The man who serves the Law of God with their mind, and "Walks" after it, is not carnal, just as Jesus served the Law of God in His Mind, and walked after it, was not Carnal.

Your religion will not let you believe these things. This is why Jesus said to "Come out of her". My hope is that you will.

"Here is what Paul actually teaches concerning being at enmity with God"....Well Studyman, I'm still waiting on you to explain what does it mean for the flesh to be at enmity against God!

The truth is, you just do not truly know, since you do not believe man in the flesh, (or, unregenerate) is at enmity against God, not just an enemy, which is bad enough, but his flesh is at war against God, because he hates light, and loves darkness, because his deeds are evil, and will remain so, until he is quickened to life (or called out of darkness into the marvelous light of the blessed gospel of God,) by the Spirit of God. You do not believe that it takes the Spirit of God's power to resurrect the sinner from being dead in trespasses and sin, to life in Jesus Christ. You believe this is a choice that man can do himself without God's power doing this for him. But this is against the scriptures. The same power it took to resurrect Christ from the dead, it takes to resurrect a sinner from being dead in sins, to life in Christ. Ephesians 1:19,20

"If the man Serves the Law of God with his mind, like Paul did, and "Walks" (Does things) after the Word of God, this man is "Walking after" the Spirit, not "walking" after the Flesh. The man whose mind continues to reject the Word of God, refusing to Walk in them, is walking after the Flesh, and is Carnal. This is why Jesus said to "Live By" Every Word of God, because God is a Spirit, and His Word is Spiritual. This is why Paul said for men to "Yield themselves" unto God, and their body into God's Righteousness, because His Words are Spirit, and they are Life."

This has nothing to do with explaining what it means for a sinner to be at enmity against God, nothing! The truth is, your rellgion has blinded your mind to the truth as you continue to peddle another gospel based on man saving himself by his own work.

I'll come back to make another post later.

 

[Red Baker]

I see, so in your religion, the Holy Lottery has "levels" of righteousness that God causes. Like a scratch off lotto ticket that God gave them. Most receive nothing, some receive only a dollar, like Lot. But a few get the prize of $100, like Abraham.

Fascinating.

There are different degrees of faith among God's children, this is a point that no man should even question. Have you never read so much as this:

1st John 2:12​

“I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake. I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.”

This short section lists three different age groups by conversion or spiritual maturity. The distinguishing features are spiritual character traits, not age or physical traits. All churches of Jesus Christ down through the ages have had members of various spiritual maturity and ability. There are babes in Christ; there are grown men in Christ; there are patriarchs in Him.

I will not say what I'm thinking, you may get offended, so I'll pass.

 

[Red Baker]

Since I am only interested in God's Truth, I like to hear the whole teaching. So once again Red, let's post what James actually says.

James 1: 21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness "the engrafted word", which is able to save your souls.

22 But be ye "doers of the word", and not hearers only, "deceiving your own selves".

23 For if any "be a hearer of the word", and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth "his way", and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he "being not" "a forgetful hearer", "but a doer" of the work, "this man" shall be blessed "in his deed".

So once again, can you not see how his gospel and yours split, when more than one sentence from James is considered?

You added nothing to what I said:

God's laws addressing our practical living in this world are for all of God's children as "a rule to live by", which laws, are summed up in the ten commandment ~ but are not to be used as a means of being accepted by God, for that would be impossible for us to fulfilled........ is this plain and easy to follow what I just said? It should be.

James 1:25​

“But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.”

James 2:8​

“If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:”

You are desperate trying your best to find holes in my teaching, where I teach the true grace of God, and the saints responsibility in living out their faith by being careful to maintain good works.

Titus 3:8​

“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”

Where is the command to Love thy neighbor as thyself, another Law of Moses? Not a word! Where is the command to Love God with all their hearts, another Law of Moses? Not a Word! Where is the command not to kill, or not to hate your brother within your heart, another Law of Moses? Not a Word!

Any and all laws/commandments that governed our hearts are binding on all who believe in Jesus Christ. Those that governed what they eat, drink, and wear, etc., were done away when the NT covenant became enforced. Acts 10 should prove this to you, if you were not married to your biased opinions, supported by your puff up mind.

Again, if you would post more than one sentence from Acts, actually seeking the Kingdom of God and "HIS" Righteousness

See post #240....Yes "his" righteousness!

Much of what you said in the rest of your post, you have said many times over. You are falling back into the same rut that you are famously known for.

 

[Studyman]

Any and all laws/commandments that governed our hearts are binding on all who believe in Jesus Christ. Those that governed what they eat, drink, and wear, etc., were done away when the NT covenant became enforced. Acts 10 should prove this to you, if you were not married to your biased opinions, supported by your puff up mind.

The false gospel of Calvinism has been debunked by the actual Scriptures for me 30 years ago, and even on this forum there are those who understand that the Scriptures do not support or promote your version of Calvinism.

But that isn't why I reply to your posts. There is already enough bickering between Calvinists and Armenians, and I don't have a dog in that fight. I want to point out the tradition of many, who profess to know God, who use the Scriptures deceitfully, mostly by twisting cherry picked Scriptures, and omitting verses that can't easily be twisted, in order to "justify" a particular religious business or sect of this world's religious system.

Calvinism, Arminianism, Catholicism, Adventism, Mormonism, JW's, along with the Pharisees, there are too many to mention, all "USE" the Scriptures in the same manner. Each of these religious businesses compete with each other for contributing members, without which their religious sect could not survive, and they all justify or support their specific religious sect, by twisting cherry picked Scriptures and omitting the ones they cannot twist to promote their specific religion.

Of course, given that all these religious businesses and sects promote a different religious philosophy, they all twist and "USE" different Scriptures to promote them.

Whereas Jesus never participated in this wicked behavior. Either did Paul who believe "All Scripture" and followed Jesus' instruction to Live by" Every word of God.

In our discussion, your posts offer the perfect example of this popular practice. Again, I don't believe you get up in the morning and say, "Today I will twist scriptures to deceive others", because you truly believe your works are guided by God, just as all the other promoters of this world's religions do. Even the Pharisees believed they were serving the living God.

But Jesus, the Light of the World, exposed their religious traditions as not from God, and He did so by comparing their religious works, to the Word of God HE said to Live By.

And like them, you will be angered at those who would love you enough with God's Love to show you. My hope is that you might, in the confines of your own private time, "humble yourself, or as Paul teaches, "Yield yourself" to God and consider what is actually written in Scriptures, and as Peter instructs, " Repent, "Save yourselves" from this untoward generation".

So here is another of the many perfect examples of how this world's religious promoters twist and Omit Scriptures for the purpose of justifying a specific religious sect.

Acts 15:19​

“Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.”

Not a word about "Israel's many dietary and many other such laws" which governed the outward man~laws that governed the hidden man they still were under as a rule to live by. This is not that hard to follow.

So first you subtly imply that the Laws you are rejecting, are "Israel's Laws". When God Himself said they were His Laws.

Why would you do this? Why would you work to deceive others by tricking them into believing that the instruction not to eat Blood, or be polluted by idols, or eat animals whose blood has not been drained, or eating maggots, or swine's flesh, or dogs, or creating images of God after the likeness of men or fornication etc., are not God's Laws, but Israel's Laws.

It's not even about eating or not eating for me. It is about the prince of this world's practice of quoting "some" of God's Word and then twisting them to promote a deception, ""Israel's many Laws".

Why not just believe and teach the Truth "of God", that these are God's Laws, instead of "joining yourself" to one of those many worldly religions "who believed not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness"?

The Laws given in the Law and Prophets are "GOD'S Laws" not Israel's Laws, even though God gave them to Israel. Not Nineveh's Laws, even though God gave them to Ninevah. Not Noah's Laws, even though God gave them to Noah. Not Abraham's Laws even though God gave them to Abraham. Not the Stranger who "Joins himself" to the Lord, even though God gave His Laws to the stranger who "joins himself" to the Lord.

So why not teach and believe the truth of God concerning whose Laws God gave, instead of what you did here, which is promote a deception?

 

[Red Baker]

The false gospel of Calvinism has been debunked by the actual Scriptures for me 30 years ago, and even on this forum there are those who understand that the Scriptures do not support or promote your version of Calvinism.

But that isn't why I reply to your posts. There is already enough bickering between Calvinists and Armenians, and I don't have a dog in that fight.

Then why even bring it up? To get support from those who hate Calvinism? Are you not able to fight your own battles? This reminds me of young boys in grade school, where one comes across as a tuff boy, yet labors to get support from his friends when he knows he has a fight with a boy whom he knows he cannot beat, so, he garners up support from others, to be there to defend him.

I want to point out the tradition of many, who profess to know God, who use the Scriptures deceitfully, mostly by twisting cherry picked Scriptures, and omitting verses that can't easily be twisted, in order to "justify" a particular religious business or sect of this world's religious system.

Like you do?

Calvinism, Arminianism, Catholicism, Adventism, Mormonism, JW's, along with the Pharisees, there are too many to mention, all "USE" the Scriptures in the same manner. Each of these religious businesses compete with each other for contributing members, without which their religious sect could not survive, and they all justify or support their specific religious sect, by twisting cherry picked Scriptures and omitting the ones they cannot twist to promote their specific religion.

Of course, given that all these religious businesses and sects promote a different religious philosophy, they all twist and "USE" different Scriptures to promote them.

Truly Studyman, do you have any word profitable for others to hear any different from the ones' you just named? I think not, those who exalt their works of the flesh are all of the same bird, just different colors of feathers, that's all.

Why would you do this? Why would you work to deceive others by tricking them into believing that the instruction not to eat Blood, or be polluted by idols, or eat animals whose blood has not been drained, or eating maggots, or swine's flesh, or dogs, or creating images of God after the likeness of men or fornication etc., are not God's Laws, but Israel's Laws.

It's not even about eating or not eating for me. It is about the prince of this world's practice of quoting "some" of God's Word and then twisting them to promote a deception, ""Israel's many Laws".

You are adding to what I said~I said:

Any and all laws/commandments that governed our hearts are binding on all who believe in Jesus Christ. Those that governed what they eat, drink, and wear, etc., were done away when the NT covenant became enforced. Acts 10 should prove this to you, if you were not married to your biased opinions, supported by your puff up mind.

I may come back and get more precise concerning the many laws given by Moses to Israel, but time will not allow me to do so today, maybe tomorrow.

The Laws given in the Law and Prophets are "GOD'S Laws" not Israel's Laws, even though God gave them to Israel. Not Nineveh's Laws, even though God gave them to Ninevah. Not Noah's Laws, even though God gave them to Noah. Not Abraham's Laws even though God gave them to Abraham. Not the Stranger who "Joins himself" to the Lord, even though God gave His Laws to the stranger who "joins himself" to the Lord.

So why not teach and believe the truth of God concerning whose Laws God gave, instead of what you did here, which is promote a deception?

Just because you labor to mixed a little grace with your work gospel by desiring to be under the law, we will not change what we know to be the truth to support folks like you. The only one deceiving folks would be those promoting Judaism, over Christianity/New Testament, the religion of Jesus Christ.

 

[Titus]

We are made righteous be believing.

Scripture couldn't be more clear.

We have ACCESS BY FAITH into this GRACE.

Not:

We have ACCESS BY GRACE into this faith.

Calvinism turning Scripture on its head and denying man's free will choice.

Romans 5:1.

Hello Sir

 

[Titus]

The false gospel of Calvinism has been debunked by the actual Scriptures for me 30 years ago, and even on this forum there are those who understand that the Scriptures do not support or promote your version of Calvinism.

But that isn't why I reply to your posts. There is already enough bickering between Calvinists and Armenians, and I don't have a dog in that fight. I want to point out the tradition of many, who profess to know God, who use the Scriptures deceitfully, mostly by twisting cherry picked Scriptures, and omitting verses that can't easily be twisted, in order to "justify" a particular religious business or sect of this world's religious system.

Calvinism, Arminianism, Catholicism, Adventism, Mormonism, JW's, along with the Pharisees, there are too many to mention, all "USE" the Scriptures in the same manner. Each of these religious businesses compete with each other for contributing members, without which their religious sect could not survive, and they all justify or support their specific religious sect, by twisting cherry picked Scriptures and omitting the ones they cannot twist to promote their specific religion.

Of course, given that all these religious businesses and sects promote a different religious philosophy, they all twist and "USE" different Scriptures to promote them.

Whereas Jesus never participated in this wicked behavior. Either did Paul who believe "All Scripture" and followed Jesus' instruction to Live by" Every word of God.

In our discussion, your posts offer the perfect example of this popular practice. Again, I don't believe you get up in the morning and say, "Today I will twist scriptures to deceive others", because you truly believe your works are guided by God, just as all the other promoters of this world's religions do. Even the Pharisees believed they were serving the living God.

But Jesus, the Light of the World, exposed their religious traditions as not from God, and He did so by comparing their religious works, to the Word of God HE said to Live By.

And like them, you will be angered at those who would love you enough with God's Love to show you. My hope is that you might, in the confines of your own private time, "humble yourself, or as Paul teaches, "Yield yourself" to God and consider what is actually written in Scriptures, and as Peter instructs, " Repent, "Save yourselves" from this untoward generation".

So here is another of the many perfect examples of how this world's religious promoters twist and Omit Scriptures for the purpose of justifying a specific religious sect.



So first you subtly imply that the Laws you are rejecting, are "Israel's Laws". When God Himself said they were His Laws.

Why would you do this? Why would you work to deceive others by tricking them into believing that the instruction not to eat Blood, or be polluted by idols, or eat animals whose blood has not been drained, or eating maggots, or swine's flesh, or dogs, or creating images of God after the likeness of men or fornication etc., are not God's Laws, but Israel's Laws.

It's not even about eating or not eating for me. It is about the prince of this world's practice of quoting "some" of God's Word and then twisting them to promote a deception, ""Israel's many Laws".

Why not just believe and teach the Truth "of God", that these are God's Laws, instead of "joining yourself" to one of those many worldly religions "who believed not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness"?

The Laws given in the Law and Prophets are "GOD'S Laws" not Israel's Laws, even though God gave them to Israel. Not Nineveh's Laws, even though God gave them to Ninevah. Not Noah's Laws, even though God gave them to Noah. Not Abraham's Laws even though God gave them to Abraham. Not the Stranger who "Joins himself" to the Lord, even though God gave His Laws to the stranger who "joins himself" to the Lord.

So why not teach and believe the truth of God concerning whose Laws God gave, instead of what you did here, which is promote a deception?

Hello I read you post.
Good stuff on sectarianism.

But when you get into Gods law.
I'm assuming you believe in one continuous covenant?
If all of Gods laws apply today...
Are you building an ark?
If this is not your position I apologize.

 

[Dizerner]

Hello Sir

Hello!

 

[Titus]

Hello!

Another gospel is any alteration in the ONE gospel that was preached by the apostles, Ephesians 4:5,
- One Lord, One faith(gospel) One baptism

Taking away from it, for instance claiming the commandment of baptism can be disobeyed to go to heaven.
Or adding to it like the Catholics who have indulgences paying money for salvation.

 

[Dizerner]

Another gospel is any alteration in the ONE gospel that was preached by the apostles, Ephesians 4:5,
- One Lord, One faith(gospel) One baptism

Taking away from it, for instance claiming the commandment of baptism can be disobeyed to go to heaven.
Or adding to it like the Catholics who have indulgences paying money for salvation.

Church of Christ?

 

[Titus]

Hello?

 

[Red Baker]

Another gospel is any alteration in the ONE gospel that was preached by the apostles, Ephesians 4:5,
- One Lord, One faith(gospel) One baptism

Greetings Titus,

Not only alteration, but adding to the doctrine of God's grace to sinners through Jesus Christ redemption work. This is mainly why the epistle of Galatians was written to warned God's children of men/women who would do this. Such men have fallen from grace, or, the true doctrine of the grace of God.

Galatians 5:4​

“Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.”

Taking away from it, for instance claiming the commandment of baptism can be disobeyed to go to heaven.

No man can purposely claim that water baptism is not part of the gospel of Jesus Christ under the New Testament.

That being said, water baptism is not essential to secure one's gift of eternal life in a legal sense/or, neither is water baptism where sins are forgiven, as some vainly teach to peddle their work gospel.

Baptism is an answer of a good conscience not one trying to get good/saved. The life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, totally secured the free gift of eternal life for each and every person given to him to redeem.

1st Peter 3:21​

“The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:”

For now....The terms here define, demand, and prove the subject of baptism ~ a regenerated believer.

Water baptism requires a conscience – consciousness of right and wrong; infants flunk. The issue at stake in salvation is a conscience understanding guilt and forgiveness of sin. This conscience can declare repudiation of past sins and commit to a life of discipleship.

The condition for baptism is a good conscience, which requires maturity and regeneration!

A bad conscience is under condemnation and guilt of sin without remedy (Heb 10:1-3). A good conscience must hear and believe the true gospel of forgiveness and justification. It must make a conscious choice itself, which some did and some did not (Luke 7:29-30). A man not born again is dead in sins with a wicked conscience (Rom 8:7-8; Eph 2:1-3).

Water baptism is the answer of that good conscience to God for sending Jesus Christ for it. Baptism is not a bad conscience asking for God to save it by water for it to become good. Baptism is the individual ordinance of a person thanking God for saving by Jesus’ death. When one hears and believes the gospel, it purges the conscience for baptism (Heb 9:14). The fabulous news of Jesus Christ’s finished work clears the conscience (Heb 10:19-22).

 

[Titus]

No man can purposely claim that water baptism is not part of the gospel of Jesus Christ under the New Testament

Good you admit water baptism is not another gospel.
So for someone to claim it isn't required would be altering Gods desires for man in His new testament gospel.

God Himself has given commandments in His gospel.

Belief in Jesus is a commandment in the gospel, 1John 3:23-24.
Likewise, baptism is commanded just as belief Acts 10:47-48.

Therefore any man that teaches one commandment is required by God but other commandments are not required by God in His new testament gospel would be guilty of preaching/teaching another gospel.

To teach one commandment is essential but others are not would have to prove that God gives commandments that He does not enforce.

To claim the new testament gospel for salvation only requires belief would. then automatically imply that one could disobey the commandment to be water baptized and it would have no effect on ones salvation.


Thus a new gospel that picks which commandments must be kept and which ones can be disobeyed.

Do you think the apostle Paul could have been saved if he chose not to be water baptized by Ananias?

 

[Johann]

The phrase "another Gospel" refers to anything that adds to, subtracts from, contradicts, or denies the gospel contained in the Bible. In the context of the New Testament, it was used by Paul to warn against teachings that deviated from the gospel of Jesus' work of redemption. Essentially, the gospel is one, and any variation is not equivalent to the true gospel.

Let's start the discussion with this post from @Red Baker

Hi Sir,

I find this article by Pink to be very insightful and a fitting response to your post.

Another Gospel

ARTHUR W. PINK



SATAN IS NOT AN INITIATOR but an imitator. God has an only begotten Son—the Lord Jesus, and so has Satan—"the son of Perdition" (2 Thess. 2:3). There is a Holy Trinity, and there is like wise a Trinity of Evil (Rev. 20:10). Do we read of the "children of God," so also we read of "the children of the wicked one" (Matt. 13:38). Does God work in the former both to will and to do of His good pleasure, then we are told that Satan is "the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience" (Eph. 2:2). Is there a "mystery of godliness" (1 Tim. 3:16), so also is there a "mystery of iniquity" (2 Thess. 2:7). Are we told that God by His angels "seals" His servants in their foreheads (Rev. 7:3), so also, we learn that Satan by his agents sets a mark in the foreheads of his devotees (Rev. 13:16). Are we told that "the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God" (1 Cor. 2:10), then Satan also provides his "deep things" (see Greek of Rev. 2:24). Did Christ perform miracles, so also can Satan (2 Thess. 2:9). Is Christ seated upon a throne, so is Satan (Rev. 2:13—Gr.). Has Christ a Church, then Satan has his "synagogue" (Rev. 2:9). Is Christ the Light of the world, then so is Satan himself "transformed into an angel of light" (2Cor. 11:14). Did Christ appoint "apostles," then Satan has his apostles, too (2Cor. 11:13). And this leads us to consider "The Gospel of Satan."

Satan is the arch-counterfeiter. The Devil is now busy at work in the same field in which the Lord sowed the good seed. He is seeking to pre vent the growth of the wheat by another plant, the tares, which closely resembles the wheat in appearance. In a word, by a process of imitation he is aiming to neutralize the Work of Christ. There fore, as Christ has a Gospel, Satan has a gospel too; the latter being a clever counterfeit of the former. So closely does the gospel of Satan resemble that which it parodies, multitudes of the unsaved are deceived by it.

It is to this gospel of Satan the apostle refers when he says to the Galatians, "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another, but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the Gospel of Christ" (1:6, 7). This false gospel was being heralded even in the days of the apostle, and a most awful curse was called down upon those who preached it. The apostle continues, "But though we, or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." By the help of God we shall now endeavor to expound, or rather, expose, this false gospel.

The gospel of Satan is not a system of revolutionary principles, nor yet a program of anarchy. It does not promote strife and war, but aims at peace and unity. It seeks not to set the mother against her daughter nor the father against his son, but fosters the fraternal spirit whereby the human race is regarded as one great "brotherhood." It does not seek to drag down the natural man, but to improve and uplift him. It advocates education and cultivation and appeals to "the best that is within us." It aims to make this world such a comfortable and congenial habitat that Christ's absence from it will not be felt and God will not be needed. It endeavors to occupy man so much with this world that he has no time or inclination to think of the world to come. It propagates the principles of self-sacrifice, charity and benevolence, and teaches us to live for the good of others, and to be kind to all. It appeals strongly to the carnal mind and is popular with the masses, be cause it ignores the solemn facts that by nature man is a fallen creature, alienated from the life of God, and dead in trespasses and sins, and that his only hope lies in being born again.

https://www.the-highway.com/Another_Gospel.html#:~:text=Another%20Gospel,being%20born%20again.

Read on.

J.

 

[Studyman]

Hello I read you post.
Good stuff on sectarianism.

But when you get into Gods law.
I'm assuming you believe in one continuous covenant?

There are continuous covenants, in my understanding, but the One Prophesied to change was the Levitical Priesthood.

It was by this Covenant that the people received the Laws of God, and though these Priesthood was the remission of sins provided for.

This Covenant with Levi, that Abraham was not under, was Prophesied to change in Jer. 31 and other places in the Law and Prophets.

I believe that Jesus is the Prophesied Priest "After the Order of Melchisedek" and not "after the Order of Aaron" that was to come "After those days" to usher in the New Priesthood Covenant.

In this new Priesthood, the manner in which God's Laws are received has changed, and also the manner in which sins are forgiven. But there is no Prophesy anywhere in the Law and Prophets, in which God Prophesies to abolish His Own Laws. At least I have not seen any evidence of such a Prophesy. And the Jesus of the Bible confirms this in Matt. 5:17,18.

There are volumes of Scriptures to confirm this understanding, and I would be glad to engage with you concerning this topic if you would like.

If all of Gods laws apply today...
Are you building an ark?

Which ark are you referring to? Noah's, or the Ark of the Covenant? I assume you mean the latter.

Either way, who really built Noah's Ark? Was it Noah, or God's Word in Noah.

I think the same applies to the other Ark. Who built it and where is it supposed to be placed? If I am the Temple of God, isn't the Ark supposed to be placed in God's Temple? So then, I'm not building an ark, I'm building a house for the Ark, which God built, to be placed in. Noah "Yielded himself" to God, and by abiding by His Words, and following His instruction and by doing so, the storms he encountered didn't destroyed others, but not him. In the same way, we are instructed to "build a New House", which after God is created in righteousness and true Holiness.

Jesus speaks to this.

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This would be men who lived by the course of this world with its religions who live by their own Traditions, judgments and laws, like the Pharisees did, Yes? Religious men who " profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate".

24 Therefore (Because of this) whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, (As it did for Noah) and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them "not", shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. (like those who didn't believe God in Noah's time)

So Given these Words from Jesus, I would ask the same question I asked about Noah, who is building the house? Me? Or the Christ's Word which abides in me?

If this is not your position I apologize.

No need whatsoever. I appreciate questions rather than assumptions. I am glad for the question. Please don't hesitate to ask.

 

[Red Baker]

There are continuous covenants,

No, this is wrong, there's only one covenant, which covenant is so much better than the covenant of works/Mosaic. The covenant of grace, consisting and secured by God's promises and oath

but the One Prophesied to change was the Levitical Priesthood.

The Levitical Priesthood was not a covenant. It was an office under the Mosaic Covenant ~ Hebrews 7:5

The one that was prophesied to change was the covenant of the law/works, not that God found fault with his law, but with fallen man unable to keep the law. (Though was to be changed, yet still from Abel on ward God's children were under the everlasting covenant of grace, that has never changed, with each covenant made with men like Noah, Abraham, and David, God was revealing a little more of nature of the everlasting covenant of grace to those men)

Hebrews 8:7,8​

“For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:"

(the house of Israel and Judah is to be understood as Gentiles and Jews)

This Covenant with Levi, that Abraham was not under, was Prophesied to change in Jer. 31 and other places in the Law and Prophets.

Again the Levitical Priesthood was an office under the Mosaic Covenant/works. That covenant of works was going to be replaced (along with its priesthood) by the New testament in the blood of Jesus Christ. Which covenant was far better in so many ways as we might see later.

I believe that Jesus is the Prophesied Priest "After the Order of Melchisedek" and not "after the Order of Aaron" that was to come "After those days" to usher in the New Priesthood Covenant.

Not a new Priesthood Covenant, but a New Covenant based of God's promises and oath, with a priest after the order of Melchisedek.

In this new Priesthood, the manner in which God's Laws are received has changed, and also the manner in which sins are forgiven.

The forgiveness of sins has never changed~even David described how one sins are forgiven.

Psalms 32:1​

“Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile."

Men's sins are forgiven through Jesus being made sin for us, by our sins being imputed to him, and his righteousness imputed to us, which all of sacrifices under the Mosaic system pointed to! God's children (true believers) under the Mosaic system understood these truths, and that is what they put their trust in, and only in.

I may post more later, enough for now.

 

[Studyman]

Then why even bring it up? To get support from those who hate Calvinism? Are you not able to fight your own battles? This reminds me of young boys in grade school, where one comes across as a tuff boy, yet labors to get support from his friends when he knows he has a fight with a boy whom he knows he cannot beat, so, he garners up support from others, to be there to defend him.

Like you do?

Truly Studyman, do you have any word profitable for others to hear any different from the ones' you just named? I think not, those who exalt their works of the flesh are all of the same bird, just different colors of feathers, that's all.

You are adding to what I said~I said:

I may come back and get more precise concerning the many laws given by Moses to Israel, but time will not allow me to do so today, maybe tomorrow.

Just because you labor to mixed a little grace with your work gospel by desiring to be under the law, we will not change what we know to be the truth to support folks like you. The only one deceiving folks would be those promoting Judaism, over Christianity/New Testament, the religion of Jesus Christ.

Your misdirection notwithstanding, the Laws Moses gave to the people, were not "Israel's Laws". There is no "Exalt my works" in my posts, if there was you would have provided at least some evidence to support your accusations. You are caught peddling another deception, and instead of saying, "You know, I made a mistake. The instruction not to eat Blood, or be polluted by idols, or eat animals whose blood has not been drained, or eating maggots, or swine's flesh, or dogs, or creating images of God after the likeness of men or fornication etc., are not "Israel's Laws," they are God's Laws."

This is the truth, everyone knows it, even you. Why can you not be corrected? Why must you work so hard to preserve the falsehood you are promoting, even to the point of lying about my posts?

Jesus explains the reason why men do this in John 3: 19-21. You said something about Gods Word that is not true. God's Word (The Light of the World) shows this, but you must refuse the Light, "lest your deeds should be reproved". This is because man's religion is more precious to them, than God's Word. God showed us this truth through Eve, Solomon and the Pharisees.

The flesh of all men loves darkness, but some men are seeking God's Truth. To do this they must "Deny themselves", and "Yield themselves" to God. So, they come to the light, for the very purpose of exposing the darkness that God tells men is there. It's humiliating sometimes, as it is difficult Spiritually to "do" as Jesus instructs. "if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee".

I was deceived into believing Gods Laws were worthless Jewish traditions same as you when I lived by the philosophies of this world's religions, the course of this world, the spirit which now works in the children of disobedience. But Jesus said not to be like unto them. His Word abides in me, and they are Spirit and they are Life.

You could also "deny yourself" and "Yield yourself" to God as instructed. But you would have to believe in Him over the religious sect you have adopted and are now on a mission to promote. A religion which preaches the falsehood, "The instruction not to eat Blood, or be polluted by idols, or eat animals whose blood has not been drained, or eating maggots, or swine's flesh, or dogs, or creating images of God after the likeness of men or fornication etc., are "Israel's Laws", not "God's Laws".

 

[Studyman]

No, this is wrong, there's only one covenant, which covenant is so much better than the covenant of works/Mosaic. The covenant of grace, consisting and secured by God's promises and oath

To the Mormons, JW's and Calvinists, this religious philosophy, that God only made "ONE" Covenant, might be true. But I am not interested in this world's religious businesses or sects that you are here to promote, I'm speaking about the Word of the God "of the Bible" and what is actually teaches.

So, you are furthering this world's religious philosophy that, "there is only one Covenant". But when I turn to God, I find that this statement is untrue. I have posted just a few of God's Own Words that HE had written "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness".

My hope is that you might "humble yourself" and "yield yourself" to God and His Word, be corrected and turn away from this world's religions who promote falsehoods like the one you are now promoting.


Gen. 9: 11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. 12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: 13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.

Gen. 17: 10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. 11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

Ex. 31: 15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Clearly God gave more than one covenant.

The Levitical Priesthood was not a covenant. It was an office under the Mosaic Covenant ~ Hebrews 7:5

Again, I know this is what the JW, and the Morman and Calvinists and other religious sects of this world preaches. But Jesus said to "Live by" God's Word, not the religious sects of this world you have adopted. So, let's allow God to teach us His Truth.

Mal. 2: 1 And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.

2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.

3 Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.

4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that "my covenant" might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name. (Ex. 32)

6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.

7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as "ye (Priests) have not kept my ways", but have been partial in the law.

So once again, God's Word has shown me that the Levitical Priesthood was a covenant, and there was nothing wrong with the Covenant until the Priests appointed to it, departed out of the way.

Hebrews 8 points this out very nicely.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, (With who? The Priests who corrupted the Priesthood Covenant with Levi, it's right there in your own Bible Red, you just need to "humble yourself", and believe it.) he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

And what did Jesus usher in?

6 But now hath he (Jesus) obtained a more excellent "ministry", by how much also he is "the mediator" of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

And what were the better promises, according to the God that gave them?

#1. "I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people". (Men will no longer receive God's Law through the Levitical Priesthood)

#2. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. (Men will no longer have to take a sin offering to a Levite Priest, for him to provide for their forgiveness)

Where is the JW's, Mormon or Calvinist philosophy that God promised to abolish His Laws? It's not in the Bible Red, only in your religion. What changed was the manner in which men receive God's Law, and the manner in which transgression of His Law is provided for. It's right there in your own Bible. All you need is belief.

The one that was prophesied to change was the covenant of the law/works,

In a sense, this is true. But you are missing a very important part. What was the "Law of works" for, that the Pharisees were promoting? For remission of sins, Yes? Justification, Yes? That is what Paul was speaking to in Galatians and Romans. In the old Priesthood, when a man transgressed God's Commandments, he was required to bring an animal to the Levite Priest and kill it. Here, let's let God tell us both.

Lev. 4: 30 And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar. 31 And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat is taken away from off the sacrifice of peace offerings; and the priest shall burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour unto the LORD; and "the priest" shall make an atonement for him, and it shall be forgiven him.

This is the "Law of works" the Pharisees were still promoting a version of, in Paul's time. But this "law of works" for remission of sins was prophesied to change in the Law and Prophets. We have a better Priesthood now, a more excellent Ministry, no longer the "Ministry of Death" as it is written;

But now hath he obtained a more excellent "ministry", by how much also he (God's Priest "After the order of Melchizedek", and not after the order of Aaron "Levites") is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

not that God found fault with his law, but with fallen man unable to keep the law.

Again, this is the Morman or Calvinists or JW's philosophy, that God created Laws impossible to obey, a "yoke of Bondage" you preach, and laid them on the necks of men who trusted in Him. This is an insidious lie, and is one of the reasons why I "came out of" the course of this world. Here, let's listen to what God actually says about the Levitical Priesthood before the Priests "departed out of the way".

Mal. 2: 5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name. 6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity. 7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

Caleb obeyed Gods Laws. Joshua obeyed Gods laws. David obeyed Gods laws. Abednego obeyed Gods laws. Zacharias obeyed Gods laws, Simeon, Anna and the wise men obeyed God's Laws. All these men received God's Laws by "The Levitical Priesthood", as the Priest's had exclusive possession of the Book of the Law. But now we all have the Oracles of God. We sit in Moses seat, and can therefore hear and observe what Moses instructed, as Jesus told the Disciples and the multitude in Matt. 23.

Just because you don't believe what is written, doesn't make what is written not true.

(Though was to be changed, yet still from Abel on ward God's children were under the everlasting covenant of grace, that has never changed, with each covenant made with men like Noah, Abraham, and David, God was revealing a little more of nature of the everlasting covenant of grace to those men)

Yes, God's Covenant of Grace was shown in the story of Adam and Eve. God's covenant of Grace didn't change. But His Priesthood Covenant with Levi, added 430 years after Abraham, concerning the "works of the Law" for remission of sin, was prophesied to change.

Hebrews 8:7,8​

“For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:"

(the house of Israel and Judah is to be understood as Gentiles and Jews)

There is no "Gentile or Jew" in Christ. There is in Calvinism, JW's, Mormonism's and the Pharisee's religious philosophy. But in the Gospel of the Christ "of the bible", there is no Jew or Greek. There are men choosing Life or Death that God placed before them, to the Jew and to the non-Jew who "joins Himself to the Lord".

At least this is what the God of the Bible teaches.

 

[Studyman]

Again the Levitical Priesthood was an office under the Mosaic Covenant/works. That covenant of works was going to be replaced (along with its priesthood) by the New testament in the blood of Jesus Christ. Which covenant was far better in so many ways as we might see later.

OH Red, if you would only escape the prism of Calvinism for just one minute. There were a series of sacrificial "Works", commanded through the Priesthood covenant God made with Levi, to provide for the forgiveness of Sins, "Til the Seed should come". Abraham was not under this Priesthood Covenant, as Levi wasn't even born until 430 years after Abraham.

You are equating the "law of Works" for the remission of sins, with God's Law defining sins that Abraham and Caleb and Zacharias obeyed.

Men no longer go to the Levite Priest, with a goat, as per the Law, for remission of sins. But the religious sect of the Pharisees, the mainstream religious sect of this world at that time, were still promoting their corrupted version of the "Order of Aaron", even years after Jesus ascended.

I know your religion will not allow you to answer my questions, or acknowledge the Truth of the Scriptures posted. But if you would answer a question, I would ask. "In the Levitical Priesthood, where people received God's Laws, if a man sinned, (transgressed God's Commandments) what "works of the Law" were they required to "do" before the Priest would provide for their forgiveness?

Did Moses say, "If a man sins, he shall love his neighbor as himself, and his sins are forgiven? Is this the "Works of the Law" the Pharisees were promoting for the remission of sins? Did Moses say, "if a man sins, he shall keep God's Sabbaths, and his sins are forgiven"? Was this the "works of the Law" the Pharisees were promoting for the remission of sins?

Or did Moses say:

Lev. 4: 27 And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty;

28 Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: "then" he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned. 29 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering. 30 And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar. 31 And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat is taken away from off the sacrifice of peace offerings; and the priest shall burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour unto the LORD; and the priest shall make an atonement for him, and it shall be forgiven him.

If you would "humble yourself" just a little and answer my question. Then I would ask, "What did the Priests and Scribes sell every week in the Temple? And what were they sold for?

But I understand why you can't answer, because if you do, this world's religious philosophy starts to unravel. And you will see what Paul was speaking to regarding the "works of the Law" for justification.

So the odds are, that you will not answer my question, but will deflect, and try to turn the conversation away from what the Scriptures actually teach.

Not a new Priesthood Covenant, but a New Covenant based of God's promises and oath, with a priest after the order of Melchisedek.

A New Ministry. A New Priesthood covenant, not after the Order of Aaron, but after the "Order of Melchizedek". God's definition of Sin, Clean, Holy, Righteousness was never prophesied to change. Only the manner in which forgiveness of transgression of God's Law was provided for, and the manner in which God's Laws were administered.

It's right there in your own Bible.

The forgiveness of sins has never changed~even David described how one sins are forgiven.

Psalms 32:1​

“Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile."

Yes, blessed in the man whose sins are forgiven.

So I ask the question again, according to the Levitical Priesthood, what did Moses instruct a man who sinned "to do", in order for the Levite Priest to provide for his forgiveness? And was this prophesied to change?

Men's sins are forgiven through Jesus being made sin for us, by our sins being imputed to him, and his righteousness imputed to us, which all of sacrifices under the Mosaic system pointed to!

Yes, the Levitical Priesthood with its sacrificial "works of the Law" for remission of sins, was a shadow of the good things to come.

God's children (true believers) under the Mosaic system understood these truths, and that is what they put their trust in, and only in.

Yes, those who Loved God enough to "Yield themselves" to Him, like Zacharias, Simeon and Anna, Abraham, Caleb and David etc., understood these truths about the Prophesied Messiah. And had His Faith in God within them, even before HE was born, like Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, the Wise men.

But Jesus warns about "many" religious men who call Him Lord, Lord, who "Come in His Name", who "profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate", who "Transform themselves" into apostles of Christ, not to be deceived by them.

This world's religious system made up of different massive religious businesses and hundreds of religious sects, each one competing against the other for contributing members, each one living in transgression of God's Laws, promoting instead their own traditions, their own judgments, their own high days and images of God in the likeness of men. This is not God's Church as described in the Holy Scriptures.

Jesus had compassion on the masses, but He had contempt for the promoters of this world's religious system, who transgressed God's Commandments that they might keep their own traditions.

Men have been deceived into believing they can adopt these same religions, with the same philosophy, as long as they do so "in Christ's Name".

Paul teaches differently.

1 Cor. 10: 11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

12 Wherefore (Because of these undeniable truths) let him "that thinketh he standeth" take heed lest he fall.

13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

The very foundation of your adopted religion is founded on the belief that Paul is lying to us here, that God gave men Laws impossible to obey, a "yoke of bondage" that HE placed on the necks of men who trusted Him.

Paul knows better, and because I believe "ALL" that is written, I know better too.

But not me, rather, the Word of God that bides in me.