What Does “Another Gospel” Mean?

Depraved, but not totally depraved, by nature. That is the whole point of this creation. Given that mankind is "depraved by nature", who would, in spite of it all, freely choose to believe in God and love Him? It is those who to whom He gives the gift to be with Him eternally.
Depraved-but not totally depraved? Being depraved already says it all. When the heart is darkened because God has given it over to that state-corrupt, perverse, and steeped in moral degradation-there is a serious problem. @Jim

Hebrew Words for "Depraved" or Corrupt
In the Old Testament, human depravity is often conveyed through words that denote corruption, perversion, or moral degradation.

(a) שָׁחַת (shāḥat) – "To be corrupt, spoiled, ruined"
Genesis 6:5, 11-12 (LXX: διαφθείρω) – "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually… The earth also was corrupt (שָׁחַת) before God, and the earth was filled with violence."

This term indicates moral corruption to the point of destruction, as seen in the context of Noah’s generation.

(b) עָוָה (ʿāvāh) – "To be perverted, twisted"

Isaiah 24:5 – "The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant."

This word is used for moral perversion or deviation from God’s righteousness.

(c) רָע (raʿ) – "Evil, wickedness"
Jeremiah 17:9 – "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked (אָנֻשׁ, ʾānush, incurably sick): who can know it?"

This verse describes the fallen nature of mankind, affirming that depravity is inherent in the human heart.

2. Greek Words for "Depraved" or Corrupt in the New Testament
In the New Testament, depravity is often associated with moral ruin, spiritual blindness, and corruption.

(a) διαφθείρω (diaphtheirō) – "To corrupt, destroy, ruin"

Romans 1:21-22 – "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened."

This verb implies an internal and external moral corruption leading to destruction.

(b) φθείρω (phtheirō) – "To corrupt, defile"

1 Corinthians 15:33 – "Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners."

Used metaphorically for moral and spiritual corruption.

(c) κατεφθαρμένος (katephtharmenoi) – "Utterly depraved, wholly corrupted"

2 Peter 2:12 – "But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption."
This term indicates complete moral perversion and destruction.

(d) ἀδόκιμος νοῦς (adokimos nous) – "Reprobate mind"

Romans 1:28 – "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind (ἀδόκιμον νοῦν), to do those things which are not convenient."

This phrase describes a depraved mind that is no longer able to discern good from evil.


3. Is Mankind "Totally Depraved" or Simply "Depraved by Nature"?

The Bible teaches that all humans are fallen, corrupted, and inclined toward sin (Romans 3:10-12, Ephesians 2:1-3).

However, total depravity (as in Reformed theology) suggests that humans are so completely corrupted by sin that they cannot even desire God without divine intervention.
The biblical record shows that while humans are depraved and sinful, they are still capable of responding to God when He calls (e.g., John 1:9, Acts 10:34-35).
Thus, the idea that humans are depraved but not totally depraved aligns more closely with the biblical view of responsibility and free will.

Conclusion
The Hebrew and Greek words for "depraved" emphasize corruption, perversion, and moral ruin but do not necessarily affirm "total depravity" in the strictest sense. The Bible teaches that mankind is inherently sinful but still capable of responding to God’s grace when drawn by Him.

I personally believe people play hide and seek with YHWH, testing how far they can push the Lord of lords and King of kings—only to bring about their own destruction.

J.
 
However, total depravity (as in Reformed theology) suggests that humans are so completely corrupted by sin that they cannot even desire God without divine intervention.
The biblical record shows that while humans are depraved and sinful, they are still capable of responding to God when He calls (e.g., John 1:9, Acts 10:34-35).
Thus, the idea that humans are depraved but not totally depraved aligns more closely with the biblical view of responsibility and free will.

No one desires God unless God's grace acts first. This is very clear. Without Christ we can do nothing.

This rejecting of inability is the teaching of "Provisionism" spread mostly by Dr. Leighton Flowers.
 
So you take the Calvinistic position?

J.

Is the Trinity "the Calvinistic position" because they got one thing right?

Stop poisoning the well by calling anything they believe "the Calvinistic position."

Yes, total depravity and and total inability is BIBLICAL. Not "Calvinistic."

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
 
Is the Trinity "the Calvinistic position" because they got one thing right?

Stop poisoning the well by calling anything they believe "the Calvinistic position."

Yes, total depravity and and total inability is BIBLICAL. Not "Calvinistic."

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Glad to know you take the Calvinistic position-so regeneration precedes faith-correct?

J.
 
I'm not at liberty to swim in waters where Scripture is silent, @Red Baker.



Conclusion
Romans 5:14 affirms that death affects even those who have not committed personal sin in the way Adam did. This aligns with the idea that infants and others who lack moral capacity are still subject to death due to Adam’s sin, but it does not explicitly state that they are personally guilty of sin.

This distinction is crucial in differentiating between inherited consequences (mortality, corruption) and imputed guilt (whether they are personally accountable before God).


This is beyond my depth and above my understanding, brother.

J.
My dear brother, I can respect your present position, and your honest and sincere respect for God's word. I may add more shortly.
 
This was a question for @Dizerner, who seems to hold the same position as you, brother.

J.
I Know it was for him. He only believes in those two points, I'm what many would call a "high" Calvinist, the article I posted is exactly my understanding and has been for almost fifty years. I prefer just being called a Christian, but, labels are what folks give others, so, no problem on my end.
 
Glad to know you take the Calvinistic position-so regeneration precedes faith-correct?

Glad to know you take the Calvinistic position on the Trinity.

So you believe regeneration precedes faith-correct?


That's how unthinking your question is (extremely).

No, total inability DOES NOT LOGICALLY NECESSITATE that salvific regeneration precedes faith, which is unbiblical.

GRACE PRECEDES FAITH, not being born again.
 
This was a question for @Dizerner, who seems to hold the same position as you, brother.

J.

Please see a fuller explanation here:

 
That's how unthinking your question is (extremely).

No, total inability DOES NOT LOGICALLY NECESSITATE that salvific regeneration precedes faith, which is unbiblical.

GRACE PRECEDES FAITH, not being born again.
If my question is 'unthinking,' then engage with its substance rather than dismissing it. Total inability, as understood in Scripture, means that apart from divine grace, no one seeks God (Romans 3:10-12).

However, the issue at hand is whether regeneration precedes faith. The Bible consistently presents faith as the condition for receiving new life (John 1:12-13, Ephesians 1:13, Acts 16:31). You affirm that grace precedes faith, and I agree-God's grace enables faith-but where does Scripture teach that a person is regenerated before they believe? Rather, it is through faith that one is made alive in Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9, Colossians 2:12-13).

J.
 
Depraved-but not totally depraved? Being depraved already says it all. When the heart is darkened because God has given it over to that state-corrupt, perverse, and steeped in moral degradation-there is a serious problem. @Jim
That is not why man is depraved. He is depraved because he chooses to disobey God.
Hebrew Words for "Depraved" or Corrupt
In the Old Testament, human depravity is often conveyed through words that denote corruption, perversion, or moral degradation.
Do not make more of it than does God. That is the condition of a person who has committed only a single sin.
Is Mankind "Totally Depraved" or Simply "Depraved by Nature"?
Depraved by nature describes the capability to sin, not the committing of sin.
The Bible teaches that all humans are fallen, corrupted, and inclined toward sin (Romans 3:10-12, Ephesians 2:1-3).
Actually, the Bible teaches that humans are inclined toward sin. It never teaches that humans are fallen. I really object to the whole topic of "fallen" because it has come to characterize a condition that does not really exist.
However, total depravity (as in Reformed theology) suggests that humans are so completely corrupted by sin that they cannot even desire God without divine intervention.
And that is why it is wrong and so terribly distorts biblical soteriology.
The biblical record shows that while humans are depraved and sinful, they are still capable of responding to God when He calls (e.g., John 1:9, Acts 10:34-35).
Thus, the idea that humans are depraved but not totally depraved aligns more closely with the biblical view of responsibility and free will.
Joh 6:45 It is written in the Prophets, 'And they will all be taught by God.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me--

All taught, some respond.
Conclusion
The Hebrew and Greek words for "depraved" emphasize corruption, perversion, and moral ruin but do not necessarily affirm "total depravity" in the strictest sense. The Bible teaches that mankind is inherently sinful but still capable of responding to God’s grace when drawn by Him.
I might object to the word "inherently". It is strictly true but can give a faulty impression. It is not so much that he is inherently sinful, but that he has been given the gift of choice.
I personally believe people play hide and seek with YHWH, testing how far they can push the Lord of lords and King of kings—only to bring about their own destruction.
I think there is some truth to that.

Consider the words at the end of the first verse of the great old hymn “Rock of Ages.” This hymn calls upon the blood of Christ to “be of sin the double cure; save me from its guilt and power” (or “save from wrath and make me pure”).This presents a twofold nature of salvation, which makes it a “double cure.” Though the song does not use these words, it suggests that God saves us from a “double trouble.” This terminology to helps explain sin and salvation. In the hymn the “double trouble” is called the guilt and power of sin, or in its other version wrath and impurity. In other words, our sins make us guilty; they put us in a wrong relationship with God and his law, and bring us under his wrath. This is a legal problem. At the same time our sins corrupt our natures and make us spiritually sick and depraved. This is a problem with our spiritual health.

The cure for the legal problem is justification which is basically forgiveness of sin. The cure for the spiritual health problem is regeneration and initial sanctification.
 
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