Understanding God Plurality as one Person
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One being, two persons, same nature
Philippians 2:5–6 (NIV) — 5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
What do you imagine about holding A Father and A son distinction has to do with idolatry?
Are you denying God is personal?
There you go affirming the two person
Your two equal shares
and
Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort;
You continue refuting yourself
101G
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it's your lack of KNOWLEDGE and understanding in accepting the truth, that your IGNORANCE, not 101G's. as said, argue with the scriptures, and not with 101G. yes, the EQUAL SHARE of HIMSELF... ALONE, and .... "BY, BY, BY, HIMSELF is only "ONE PERSON". it's you who claim two, 101G claim one person equally shared. until one can master the ECHAD of God, or the EQUAL SHARE of God in flesh, one will always be in DARKNESS.
101G just thank God for his revelation, and not mine...... (smile). until one surrender to God, and STOP rebelling in IGNORANCE, then one can enjoy the fruit of KNOWLEDGE and the POWER of the Holy Spirit inside them.
101G
101G
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To all,
when one is out of the ditch, it is one's responsibility to help another out of the ditch. ....... if they want to get out of the ditch.
so for thgose who want to get out of the ditch, as this topic states, "Understanding God Plurality as one Person" here are the keys to understanding this plurality.
Key #1. Start right, one will end right. so start at the beginning. Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
the two underlined words here in Genesis 1:1 "beginning", and "God", holds the keys to the Godhead. let's discuss and get perfect understanding.
A. God: H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433
Compare: H5945, H7706, H8199, H4397
The First KEY, the term. God: H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m is a PLURALITY of H433. NOTE, plural of, of, of, of, H433.
and H433 is, אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.
אֱלֹהַּ 'eloahh (el-o'-ah) [shortened (rarely)]
1. one with supreme strength and ability.
2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator, Yahweh by name.
3. a supreme entity, a god-like creature (that is, one of God's supreme creations, or one of man's inventions).
[probably prolonged (emphat.) from H410]
KJV: God, god.
Root(s): H410
this "OF" H433 is our first key. the definition means, "expressing the relationship between a part and a whole:" now the same definition concerning the Godhead according to the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, "of" translates the genitive case of nouns, with various shades of meaning. Of these the subjective and objective are mentioned here, which need careful distinction" there is our first KEY in understanding the PLURALITY of H433.
Subjective, and Objective, which is our PLURALITY of ONE who is H433. and this PLURALITY of ONE is Subjective, (Abstract), and Subjective, (Concrete). other words, the Subjective, (abstract), is without flesh, bone, and blood. and the Objective, (Abstract), is with flesh, bone, and blood. here is our PLURALITY .... OF "ONE" but the million-dollar question is.... "How can God be a PLURALITY of HIMSELF in the beginning, without flesh, bone, and blood? answer it was to come. which is where our second key is found in the term "Beginning". which we get the understanding of US and OUR at the beginning.
Key #2. the term "Beginning" is the Hebrew word here in Genesis 1:1 is,
H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218
definition #1 holds this key. 1. the first, in place, time, order or rank. God: H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem'). is the First in PLACE, TIME, ORDER, RANK, meaning he, he, he, is the US, and the OUR to Come. God was not in flesh and blood at the beginning, but was to come in it in TIME, ORDER, PLACE, and RANK. this is just too easy.
so, the First, the subjective, (abstract), Spirit/LORD is without flesh, bone, and blood. and the IMAGE "OF" the First, the Objective, (Abstract), is with flesh, bone, and blood, which is the EQUAL SHARE to Come, the LAST. which is the ORDER of God in TIME, PLACE, and RANK. hence the NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, or the PLURALITY of God HIMSELF in TIME. this is the HIM who is the US and the OUR to COME.
so, the first two keys of the Godhead is reveal for us to understand his, his, his, PLURALITY of HIMSELF in TIME to come. for he is the Beginning and the End, as well as the First and the Last, as well as the Root and the Offspring.
101G.
when one is out of the ditch, it is one's responsibility to help another out of the ditch. ....... if they want to get out of the ditch.
so for thgose who want to get out of the ditch, as this topic states, "Understanding God Plurality as one Person" here are the keys to understanding this plurality.
Key #1. Start right, one will end right. so start at the beginning. Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
the two underlined words here in Genesis 1:1 "beginning", and "God", holds the keys to the Godhead. let's discuss and get perfect understanding.
A. God: H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433
Compare: H5945, H7706, H8199, H4397
The First KEY, the term. God: H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m is a PLURALITY of H433. NOTE, plural of, of, of, of, H433.
and H433 is, אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.
אֱלֹהַּ 'eloahh (el-o'-ah) [shortened (rarely)]
1. one with supreme strength and ability.
2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator, Yahweh by name.
3. a supreme entity, a god-like creature (that is, one of God's supreme creations, or one of man's inventions).
[probably prolonged (emphat.) from H410]
KJV: God, god.
Root(s): H410
this "OF" H433 is our first key. the definition means, "expressing the relationship between a part and a whole:" now the same definition concerning the Godhead according to the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, "of" translates the genitive case of nouns, with various shades of meaning. Of these the subjective and objective are mentioned here, which need careful distinction" there is our first KEY in understanding the PLURALITY of H433.
Subjective, and Objective, which is our PLURALITY of ONE who is H433. and this PLURALITY of ONE is Subjective, (Abstract), and Subjective, (Concrete). other words, the Subjective, (abstract), is without flesh, bone, and blood. and the Objective, (Abstract), is with flesh, bone, and blood. here is our PLURALITY .... OF "ONE" but the million-dollar question is.... "How can God be a PLURALITY of HIMSELF in the beginning, without flesh, bone, and blood? answer it was to come. which is where our second key is found in the term "Beginning". which we get the understanding of US and OUR at the beginning.
Key #2. the term "Beginning" is the Hebrew word here in Genesis 1:1 is,
H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218
definition #1 holds this key. 1. the first, in place, time, order or rank. God: H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem'). is the First in PLACE, TIME, ORDER, RANK, meaning he, he, he, is the US, and the OUR to Come. God was not in flesh and blood at the beginning, but was to come in it in TIME, ORDER, PLACE, and RANK. this is just too easy.
so, the First, the subjective, (abstract), Spirit/LORD is without flesh, bone, and blood. and the IMAGE "OF" the First, the Objective, (Abstract), is with flesh, bone, and blood, which is the EQUAL SHARE to Come, the LAST. which is the ORDER of God in TIME, PLACE, and RANK. hence the NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, or the PLURALITY of God HIMSELF in TIME. this is the HIM who is the US and the OUR to COME.
so, the first two keys of the Godhead is reveal for us to understand his, his, his, PLURALITY of HIMSELF in TIME to come. for he is the Beginning and the End, as well as the First and the Last, as well as the Root and the Offspring.
101G.
e v e
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you are conflating an adjective with Being.
Of course not... but person is a vague non-word.
e v e
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God wants and has an Other... He is not an ego or solipsistic self-absorbed being.
e v e
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No you did not you argued that HE is three persons or modes. and that he is simply talking to himself.
And somehow, the 'nature' shared is an IT, since it is not Him...but rather some substance.
This is pure plato.
IEUE is a Being...
He has shared His Being and His nature to His son and His Spirit...
Yes, since before time...
Each soul of Him is a being... we may be tiny but He has granted us a soul and that means we are beings,
yes, beings dependent on Him for our becoming to be...
He is love and wants a family. Not some weird Mode thing.
And yes, I have concluded that the person thing is simply a more tricky way to
express modes of Himself...
If he wanted to talk to Himself there was not need to have a son.
e v e
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@TomL Just bumping this question...
and a comment
personhood thing is a vatican topic, not God's topic.
they love that type of thing...
Sure, I am fine with that He is personal but that doesn't mean that Christ is not a being..
the problem is you interpret, even without knowing it, the term Being
in a Very platonic way...
e v e
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The pretzels are really getting stale...
Please wake up...
He could care less about this bickering...
He simply wants His Sons Back, in eden paradise, again..
That is His covenant to get His Sons and daughters, who are from Him
back to our Home and in our Original Nature given us by God.
Please wake up...
He could care less about this bickering...
He simply wants His Sons Back, in eden paradise, again..
That is His covenant to get His Sons and daughters, who are from Him
back to our Home and in our Original Nature given us by God.
You want to talk about platonic with the beliefs you have ?
No Christian denomination holds to your beliefs
Christ is a person
Matthew 27:24 (KJV 1900) — 24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
2 Corinthians 2:10 (KJV 1900) — 10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;
referencing the Godhead. There is but one God according to scripture
Deut. 4:35, 39; 32:39; 2 Sam. 22:32; 2 Kings 5:15; Is. 37:20; 43:10; 44:6-8; 45:5, 14, 21-22; 46:9
You really do not know what you are talking bout
I never stated anything about modes nor did I state he was talking to himself
That answers nothing
One being, two persons, same nature
Philippians 2:5–6 (NIV) — 5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
What do you imagine about holding A Father and A son distinction has to do with idolatry?
In other words you have no real objection to what I asked
"Are you denying God is personal?"
e v e
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I never said he is not..since if you recall I said a being = a person!
What I disagree with is that there is somehow a relationship between person and 'the pagan One'
whereby all persons are the same one Being..
In a way it is true... since God shares His Being..
however, I do not see anywhere where God focuses on the concept of "personhood"
also, why would christian denominations holding my beliefs.... be
an issue...
the bar is not "what christian denominations believe" but what God says.
e v e
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That is not what you were speaking of
you were attaching being personal to
a weird modalism
So according to you the trinity is a pagan belief
And a belief in multimate separate Gods you believe is orthodox truth?
Again you do not know what you are talking about
I never stated a word about modalism and deny modalism
