e v e
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i never said what you just said, which i bolded ..
you invented those lines, not said by me.
not sure what you are talking about there with multimate whatever.
Understanding God Plurality as one Person
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you invented those lines, not said by me.
not sure what you are talking about there with multimate whatever.
These were your words
"What I disagree with is that there is somehow a relationship between person and 'the pagan One'
whereby all persons are the same one Being."
Thus it appears you did.
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that i did say. In other words - Oneness is a pagan concept also expressed by aristotle as substance.. which was glued by augustine into christianity.
But what i said which you just quoted isn't the same as what you said before.
Still seems to me you are calling a belief in the trinity pagan
In denying oneness you deny much scripture
There Is One God
One God: Explicit Statements
OT: Deut. 4:35, 39; 32:39; 2 Sam. 22:32; 2 Kings 5:15; Is. 37:20; 43:10; 44:6-8; 45:5, 14, 21-22; 46:9
NT: John 5:44; Rom. 3:30; 16:27; 1 Cor. 8:4-6; Gal. 3:20; Eph. 4:6; 1 Tim. 1:17; 2:5; James 2:19; Jude 25
None like God (in his essence)
Explicit statements: Ex. 8:10; 9:14; 15:11; 2 Sam. 7:22; 1 Kgs. 8:23; 1 Chr. 17:20; Ps. 86:8; Is. 40:18, 25; 44:7; 46:5, 9; Jer. 10:6-7; Micah 7:18
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To learn about pagan forms of oneness and see why they cannot be overlaid on Christianity, read Aristotle's Physics, Plato's Phaedo, Augustine's de Trinitate and his Confessions, Plotinus' Enneads, Aquinas' Summa (a text in homage to islamicist Averroes and derived of greek theology, and deferent to platonic views, questions and concepts). For background read Brown's biography of Augustine. Augustine and Aquinas were both platonists ad were Augustine's bishop mentors.
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There is one God. See our instructions about that in the first commandment.
Oneness is a different concept.
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Oneness is a platonic greek theology Overlaid upon christianity by its vatican hierarchy to which Augustine belonged. It's well known most of them were platonists. The reformation did not resolve this. Augustine was making decisions as to canon and books and did much damage, overlaying pagan concepts onto christianity and using christian like terms to pass it off. Do investigate.
If by oneness you refer to modalism then you have completely misread me
I believe in Father, Son and holy Ghost are three persons a trinity not one person acting in three different modes
I was debating with 101G who does advocate a modalist view
Properly define the terms you used
Technically oneness theology is modalism where the one God acts in three modes
I have been arguing for 1 God existing eternally, simultaneously and equally as three persons
If you are going to claim Plato conceived of a three person one being God then provide the reference
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actually Plato's 3 hypostases are clearly worked out in his follower, the platonist Plotinus' book titled the Enneads.
The Three Initial Hypostases
Plotinus (/plɒˈtaɪnəs/; Greek: Πλωτῖνος; c. 204/5 - 270) was a major Greek-speaking philosopher of the ancient world. In his philosophy there are three principles: the One, the Intellect, and the Soul. His teacher was Ammonius Saccas and he is of the Platonic tradition. Historians of the 19th...
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I like how irenaeus puts it, where Christ and His spirit are God's hands... part of Him yet serving Him, inseparable from Him and His nature... and each of them beings IN Him... for ever.
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one God who is one person true. you used the term God loosely to fit your theology of persons. example, your Deuteronomy 4:35 "Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him." none else eliminates any other person, or persons. so the LORD who is the Father is God, correct? ok, now this, James 1:27 "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."
question, "are these two separate person? God and Father. or is this just ONE person equally shared. Remember the scripture said, "God" and, and, and, the Father.
101G.
e v e
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while you can grab lines to make other points, like here, first you'd need to restore the chapters, translate for yourself, and see what they really said...
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opinion don't count.
101g.
e v e
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i never mentioned opinion. i saw you grabbing points, which is what I commented on.
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I understand it as God giving His nature.
We already have your statements of
two equal shares of God and
Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort;
refuting yourself
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GINOLJC, to all. also @TomL, @dwight92070, @Pancho Frijoles
eve.... giving his nature. you're on the right track, that's good 101G commend you there. but the question again, "how did God give his NATURE/Son/his own ARM? and that answer is clear in the bible. he gave .... "HIS" .... NATURE, EQUALLY SHARED in a body of flesh, and
G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v.
1. to make empty.
an empty State, just like all of us who come into this created world vis a woman. in this shared state, G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō'), he, God humble himself and was obedience even unto death..... on the cross. supportive scripture, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" (THIS IS THE EQUAL SHARE OF HIMSELF). Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" (THIS IS THE G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō', the Emptying of himself) Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
My God this is clear as it can get. God is the EQUAL SHARE of himself in flesh as a man, meaning his "OWN" IMAGE. this answers the Genesis 1:26 question of the US, and the OUR as Genesis 1:27 the next verse confirms. he MADE MAN in his IMAGE. oh my God this is just too easy. he, God as one Person made man male and female in the beginning, and in the End, he God, the same person shared himself in flesh and REDEEMED, and SAVE all that he made.
and this EQUAL SHARE of himself is through all the bible, especially the OT. 101G ask one to consider their position.... Separation of PERSONS in the Godhead vs the EQUALLY SHARING of ONE PERSON in the Godead.
101G.
