Understanding God Plurality as one Person

[TomL]

Through? means ... "BY HIMSELF", listen and LEARN, Hebrews 11:3 "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." now, OT, Psalms 33:6 "By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth." well that just KILLED the Christ theory.

your word "Through", that means "BY", according to the Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English.
BY, prep.
1. Near; close; as, sit by me; that house stands by a river.
[L. pressus.]
2. Near, in motion; as, to move, go or pass by a church. But it seems, in other phrases,or with a verb in the past time, to signify past, gone beyond. "The procession is gone by;" "the hour is gone by;" "John went by." We now use past as an equivalent word. The procession is gone past. Gone by is in strictness tautology, as now used; but I apprehend by signifies primarily near.
3. Through, or with, denoting the agent, means, instrument or cause; as, "a city is destroyed by fire;" "profit is made by commerce;" "to take by force." This use answers to that of the Latin per, through, denoting a passing, acting, agency, or instrumentality.
definition #3 here gives us the answer. BY, means THROUGH.... Oh my. he was BY, BY, BY, HIMSELF. and ALONE. do you know what that means? there was no one to go through because he was BY HIMSELF. which means there is no other two persons. for "ALONE" means "having no one else present:" and if no one else is present ....... that means the other two so called persons are none existence... made up. because they are not omni-present..... hello, any one home? this is basic bible study, you should have known this.

conclusion. the term "Through", and "by" is the same as "BY HIMSELF", just as Isaiah 44:24 clearly states. so another Dimino has fallen. no two, because of the three person error, no one else present when ... "HE", God/the ALMIGHTY was "ALONE". 101G like what GOD'S WORD Translation say, "The LORD reclaimed you. He formed you in the womb. This is what the LORD says: I, the LORD, made everything. I stretched out the heavens by myself. I spread out the earth all alone". say what? yes, ALL, ALL, ALL, alone. that's very very, very, clear. just check bible hub.

so, that just destroyed the trinity.

it just amazing to 101G to see how IGNORANT and mislead so many Christians are. it just amazing. Oh my Lord.

101G.

Sorry that is not how the text reads

Hebrews 1:1–2 (UASV) — 1 Long ago God spoke to the fathers by the prophets at different times and in many ways, 2 in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the world.

Whom - the Son

He - God

That is two persons

Sorry the word "through" does not help you in the least. It denotes as agent, means

God made the world by means of his son - the Logos

John 1:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.

You are simply ignoring texts to posit your theology

 

[TomL]

ERROR, Christ, the Flesh and blood man was not at the beginning of Creation.

101G.

The personal word existed before the flesh and blood man


John 1:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.


It is through the word all things came into being

 

[101G]

Sorry that is not how the text reads

Hebrews 1:1–2 (UASV) — 1 Long ago God spoke to the fathers by the prophets at different times and in many ways, 2 in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the world.

GINOLJC, to all
no, sorry for you, the scriptures are clear. Through means "BY", and he was "BY himself, just as Isaiah 44:24 states. and if he was "BY" Himself, just as Isaiah 44:24 states again as the scripture states, he was "ALONE". do you KNOW what "ALONE" means? ... "having no one else present". my God how hard is it to understand. if no one else was present ..... there is no one to go through. this is simple common sense.

now if you cannot understand definitions, as said, "SORRY" for you. the scriptures are not changing, the word definitions are not changing, nor is 101G. so argue with, and make excuses to yourself, (and no one else)... lol, 101G will not argue with IGNORANCE. when you can comprehend and master the basic of word definition and their meaning, then we might can discuss.

101G.

 

[101G]

The personal word existed before the flesh and blood man

not in flesh anbd blood.

John 1:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.

READ, READ, READ, please. the Word was GOD....... Hello, are the lights on? if the Word was God, listen, John 4:24a "God is a Spirit", HELLO, anyone home?

It is through the word all things came into being

once more see directly above.

MY GOD 101G have never seen so many ill-informed Christians in my life. it's incredible. but the scriptures are true, 2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;" 2 Timothy 4:4 "And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

if this scripture is not true now, today.

101G.

 

[101G]

@Fred, @TomL, @e v e, @civic
Maybe 101G is missing something. in all honest, do the term "Alone" and "By himself" indicate one person, or two , or three persons. seriously 101G is really concern if 101G is missing something here. would appreciate your comment on the definition "ALONE" and "By Himself".

using the free dictionary,
"by myself"
alone; unaccompanied; apart; sequestered; as, he sits or studies by himself.
See also: Himself

when used as a Idioms
1. with no one else present; alone. I sat at the table by myself. I will not be at the party. I will be at home by myself tonight.
2. without the help of anyone else. I did it all by myself. Can you eat that whole pie by yourself?


Now, "alone"
adj.
1. Being apart from others; solitary.
2. Being without anyone or anything else; only.
3. Considered separately from all others of the same class.
4. Being without equal; unique.

adv.
1. Without others: sang alone while the choir listened.
2. Without help: carried the suitcases alone.
3. Exclusively; only: The burden of proof rests on the prosecution alone.

Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English
ALO'NE, a. [all and one.]
1. Single; solitary; without the presence of another; applied to a person or thing.
It is not good that man should be alone. Gen 2.
[This adjective follows its noun.]
2. It is applied to two or more persons or things, when separate from others, in a place or condition by themselves; without company.
And when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples. Mark 4.
3. Only.
ALO'NE, adv. Separately; by itself.

if 101G is incorrect, please point it out.

101G.

 

[TomL]

not in flesh anbd blood.

READ, READ, READ, please. the Word was GOD....... Hello, are the lights on? if the Word was God, listen, John 4:24a "God is a Spirit", HELLO, anyone home?

once more see directly above.

MY GOD 101G have never seen so many ill-informed Christians in my life. it's incredible. but the scriptures are true, 2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;" 2 Timothy 4:4 "And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

if this scripture is not true now, today.

101G.

No matter how you slice it, you have two persons

Hebrews 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Ephesians 3:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

God created all thing through Jesus Christ the son

The word was not the ton theon

John 1:1 (UASV) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, (Ton Theon) and the Word was God. (Theon)

Ton Theon indicates the person known as God the Father

Theon equal the quality of being the same as Ton theon


The ignorance here is yours

Your two equal shares point to two persons in the one being.

 

[TomL]

GINOLJC, to all
no, sorry for you, the scriptures are clear. Through means "BY", and he was "BY himself, just as Isaiah 44:24 states. and if he was "BY" Himself, just as Isaiah 44:24 states again as the scripture states, he was "ALONE". do you KNOW what "ALONE" means? ... "having no one else present". my God how hard is it to understand. if no one else was present ..... there is no one to go through. this is simple common sense.

now if you cannot understand definitions, as said, "SORRY" for you. the scriptures are not changing, the word definitions are not changing, nor is 101G. so argue with, and make excuses to yourself, (and no one else)... lol, 101G will not argue with IGNORANCE. when you can comprehend and master the basic of word definition and their meaning, then we might can discuss.

101G.

Sorry

Hebrews 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Ephesians 3:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

God created the world through his son Jesus Christ

that is two persons

 

[e v e]

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if 101G is incorrect, please point it out.

101G.

ieue will not be alone how you want Him to be
so yes you are wrong

He will have His sweet spirit and Christ
and our eve and, all the sons and daughters
back

nothing you say can interfere

 

[e v e]

Sorry

Hebrews 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Ephesians 3:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

God created the world through his son Jesus Christ

that is two persons

it's irrelevant really all those arguments.

every soul of Him is a lovely sweet being

 

[e v e]

@Fred, @TomL, @e v e, @civic
Maybe 101G is missing something. in all honest, do the term "Alone" and "By himself" indicate one person, or two , or three persons. seriously 101G is really concern if 101G is missing something here. would appreciate your comment on the definition "ALONE" and "By Himself".

using the free dictionary,
"by myself"
alone; unaccompanied; apart; sequestered; as, he sits or studies by himself.
See also: Himself

when used as a Idioms
1. with no one else present; alone. I sat at the table by myself. I will not be at the party. I will be at home by myself tonight.
2. without the help of anyone else. I did it all by myself. Can you eat that whole pie by yourself?


Now, "alone"
adj.
1. Being apart from others; solitary.
2. Being without anyone or anything else; only.
3. Considered separately from all others of the same class.
4. Being without equal; unique.

adv.
1. Without others: sang alone while the choir listened.
2. Without help: carried the suitcases alone.
3. Exclusively; only: The burden of proof rests on the prosecution alone.

Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English
ALO'NE, a. [all and one.]
1. Single; solitary; without the presence of another; applied to a person or thing.
It is not good that man should be alone. Gen 2.
[This adjective follows its noun.]
2. It is applied to two or more persons or things, when separate from others, in a place or condition by themselves; without company.
And when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples. Mark 4.
3. Only.
ALO'NE, adv. Separately; by itself.

if 101G is incorrect, please point it out.

101G.

why are you so desiring God to be
alone? Do you hate Him?

 

[101G]

No matter how you slice it, you have two persons

stay in darkness. which is for none believers......

101G.

 

[101G]

Sorry

Hebrews 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Ephesians 3:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

God created the world through his son Jesus Christ

that is two persons

IGNORANCE is so dangerious..... so, just stay dead.

101G.

 

[101G]

ieue will not be alone how you want Him to be
so yes you are wrong

He will have His sweet spirit and Christ
and our eve and, all the sons and daughters
back

nothing you say can interfere

what 101G say is not LAW, but God word is. ..... (smile), so nothing what 101G say, but what God say, 101G say. ..... YIKES!

why are you so desiring God to be
alone? Do you hate Him?

is this what ..... YOU .... THINK? that mean you have not understood my previous posts.

so, you cannot answer my post, you said 101G is wrong on the definition presented, well tell 101G why then?

101G.

REMEMBER, DON'T ARGUE WITH 101G, ARGUE WITH THE SCRIPTURES, OR THE DEFINITIONS.....

 

[TomL]

IGNORANCE is so dangerious..... so, just stay dead.

101G.

Not as dangerous when you combine it with hostility andmalice

You did not address the text

Hebrews 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Ephesians 3:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

God created the world through his son Jesus Christ

that is two persons

 

[TomL]

stay in darkness. which is for none believers......

101G.

You were refuted even by your own words

You posited two equal shares of God and thus a bi-unity

 

[TomL]

it's irrelevant really all those arguments.

every soul of Him is a lovely sweet being

Maybe to you but not orthodox believers

Hebrews 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Ephesians 3:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

God created the world through his son Jesus Christ

that is two persons

 

[e v e]

Maybe to you but not orthodox believers

Hebrews 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Ephesians 3:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

God created the world through his son Jesus Christ

that is two persons

right... well i only follow Him, not orthodoxy whatever that means to you...

 

[e v e]

Maybe to you but not orthodox believers

Hebrews 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Ephesians 3:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

God created the world through his son Jesus Christ

that is two persons

I'm thankful not to follow 'orthodoxy' or to be a mainstream modern christian...

how horrible...

 

[101G]

You did not address the text

Hebrews 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Address #1. HIS SON is him, in the ECHAD of First and Last. and this is bared out in Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?" LISTEN, Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." see that he and him there in verse 2... Same one person in the ECHAD, just as Isaiah 44:24 and John 1:3 . now, How many times must 101G point this out?

Ephesians 3:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

God created the world through his son Jesus Christ

that is two persons

that's a BIG ERROR. you claim JESUS Christ create all things by God... right. let's see what the Lord Jesus the Christ say about that. ONE MORE TIME. Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," he here is GOD. so Jesus the Christ didn't MAKE ALL THINGS... at all. was not man "MADE"?, yes, then he then Christ JESUS didn't MAKE ALL THING by, or through anyone. LOL, LOL, LOL, so your LIEB BEEN EXPOSED.

listen, if Jesus the Christ made "ALLTHINGS" through and by God, and in Matthews 19:4 Jesus Christ said "God" made man male and female, then by omission, he Jesus the Christ didn't MAKE ALL THINGS. so that exposes your ERROR that he by or through MADE ALL THINGS. ..... . you're exposed.

101G

 

[e v e]

Maybe to you but not orthodox believers

Hebrews 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Ephesians 3:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

God created the world through his son Jesus Christ

that is two persons

one problem with your 'person' construct is that it is in fact, a mode or construct.

God is love, and He gave genuine being and reality to His souls... That is hard to grok from the selfish evil realm cosmos we live in...and the type of ego god modern christianity follows, absorbed in Self.

but modern christianity accepts it, since
used to absolute force which is what your point of view describes. "You will own nothing and be happy."

cheers.

Ditto @101G , same goes for you.