Understanding God Plurality as one Person

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It is truly incredible that God shares His Nature with His Family, which will be us
once we are saved out of this dungeon, restored to our Original nature given us by God, and eden paradise is restored....

For these were the stakes... to steal from us...
the evil realm did not just make the fall happen as a lark....

 

[TomL]

I'm thankful not to follow 'orthodoxy' or to be a mainstream modern christian...

how horrible...

Yes it is horrible that you are thankful for that

 

[e v e]

Yes it is horrible that you are thankful for that

no.. it is horrible that modern christianity is drinking the wine... is spelled.

 

[TomL]

one problem with your 'person' construct is that it is in fact, a mode or construct.

God is love, and He gave genuine being and reality to His souls... That is hard to grok from the selfish evil realm cosmos we live in...and the type of ego god modern christianity follows, absorbed in Self.

but modern christianity accepts it, since
used to absolute force which is what your point of view describes. "You will own nothing and be happy."

cheers.

Ditto @101G , same goes for you.

Nothing in your post addresses the verses

Hebrews 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Ephesians 3:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

God created the world through his son Jesus Christ

that is two persons

 

[TomL]

no.. it is horrible that modern christianity is drinking the wine... is spelled.

Only in your opinion which appears to be other than Christianity

 

[e v e]

that is two persons

two beings, of His same Nature

 

[e v e]

calling Christ a person is not needed..
and does not remove Christ's deity, given to Him by God
nor does it make them the same being...

 

[TomL]

two beings, of His same Nature

One being, two persons, same nature

Philippians 2:5–6 (NIV) — 5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

You advocate for polytheism

 

[TomL]

calling Christ a person is not needed..
and does not remove Christ's deity, given to Him by God
nor does it make them the same being...

What?

Will you rob Christ of his personhood?

He had his deity in the beginning

John 1:1 (NIV) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Hebrews 1:8–10 (NIV) — 8 But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.” 10 He also says, “In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.

 

[101G]

He had his deity in the beginning

John 1:1 (NIV) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

this is the great problem on personhood. if Jesus, the word, is GOD, then there is only ONE PERSON.

here is my point. Hebrews 1:10 "And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:" but was it not the "LORD", all caps who laid the foundation of the earth? let's see. Zechariah 12:1 "The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him."

now if the Lord is not the LORD, then one has two creators. and God in his word said he was ALONE, and BY HIMSELF when he Laid the foundation of the earth.

101G

 

[TomL]

this is the great problem on personhood. if Jesus, the word, is GOD, then there is only ONE PERSON.

here is my point. Hebrews 1:10 "And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:" but was it not the "LORD", all caps who laid the foundation of the earth? let's see. Zechariah 12:1 "The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him."

now if the Lord is not the LORD, then one has two creators. and God in his word said he was ALONE, and BY HIMSELF when he Laid the foundation of the earth.

101G

Nope

He is god - a quality

He is not the ton theon he is with

 

[101G]

Nope

He is god - a quality

do you know what a "god" is when concerning the Godhead? And as for quality, listen, G243 Allos, "Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort;" now the term Sort, using dictionary.com it means, 1. a particular kind, species, variety, class, or group, distinguished by a common character or nature. 2. character, quality, or nature. if the another of God is a "god" in quality, then the Bible LIED/God LIED, (God forbid). because, Isaiah 40:25 "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One." and a "god" is an Idol. scripture, 1 Chronicles 16:25 "For great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised: he also is to be feared above all gods." 1 Chronicles 16:26 "For all the gods of the people are idols: but the LORD made the heavens."

101G

 

[101G]

To all,
until one can accept the truth of John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 is the same one person. one is still in their sins.

or, if one do not believe that the LORD, who is the Lord shared in flesh is the same one person who laid the foundation of the world. then one is still in their sins.

or if one do not believe that it is the Lord Jesus who sits on the throne in Heaven and stand before it are still in one's sin. for one must reprnt from their old way.

these are just for starters.

and if one think their doctrine in what they believe think twice, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers," 1 Timothy 1:10 "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;"

101G.

 

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One being, two persons, same nature

His Nature is not an 'it'

if the only being is an it we are in trouble.

You advocate for polytheism

nope.

 

[e v e]

What?

Will you rob Christ of his personhood?

He had his deity in the beginning

John 1:1 (NIV) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Hebrews 1:8–10 (NIV) — 8 But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.” 10 He also says, “In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.

where does God use the word personhood to describe Himself

 

[e v e]

One being, two persons, same nature

Philippians 2:5–6 (NIV) — 5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

You advocate for polytheism

the first commandment for goodness sake!

 

[e v e]

His Nature is not an 'it'

if the only being is an it we are in trouble.



nope.

the definition of aristotles substance = being as?
-- a substance ... a nature like 'growing things, an it.

this is the concept christianity via the vatican adopted.

God is not a substance.

God is a being. It's not that he 'has being' = substance.

this aristotelian substance argument is the core of augustine's "The Trinity" (de trinitate) text. Augustine is your pagan, not me.

And he openly refers to greek theology to make your same arguments.

 

[e v e]

God is love and shares His own nature, His own core, with His son.

 

[e v e]

What?

Will you rob Christ of his personhood?

He had his deity in the beginning

John 1:1 (NIV) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Hebrews 1:8–10 (NIV) — 8 But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.” 10 He also says, “In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.

I never said Christ did not always have deity.
I just leave that to Him to fully understand
since i am imprisoned in the flesh body and this prison earth and all i have s a very limited
ability to understand stuff.

 

[e v e]

I think I do understand it as much as I can
and that all I said before is alright.

: )