Total Depravity demands damnation.

[civic]

Total spiritual depravity is an apostolic Doctrine Rom 3:9-19

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17 And the way of peace have they not known:

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

That word under hypo means: ie. subject to the power of, any person or thing, all by nature are under the subjection of and power of sin.

Under sin is not TD. Nice try

 

[brightfame52]

Under sin is not TD. Nice try

Yes it is, means men are under the power of sin, sounds total to me. What you think, men are partially under the power of sin. Spiritually dead.

 

[civic]

Yes it is, means men are under the power of sin, sounds total to me. What you think, men are partially under the power of sin. Spiritually dead.

Spiritually dead is not in the Bible either lol

 

[brightfame52]

Spiritually dead is not in the Bible either lol

It means by nature we are slaves to sin. Our will is a slave to sin, under its power. Thats an Apostolic doctrine.

 

[civic]

It means by nature we are slaves to sin. Our will is a slave to sin, under its power. Thats an Apostolic doctrine.

Nope

 

[brightfame52]

Nope

So is the natural man dead ? What did Jesus mean about not having no life in you ? Jn 6 53

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

Is Jesus talking about physical life here ?

 

[praise_yeshua]

It means by nature we are slaves to sin. Our will is a slave to sin, under its power. Thats an Apostolic doctrine.

Catholic doctrine? They claim Apostolic doctrine as well. Augustine promoted "Universal" authority in the Catholic church.

 

[praise_yeshua]

So is the natural man dead ? What did Jesus mean about not having no life in you ? Jn 6 53

Are you serious saying that these people didn't actually hear Jesus and what Jesus said didn't condemn them?

Joh 6:60 When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?”

Are you saying His disciples were not alive?

You have a serious problem with the flesh. Your flesh profits nothing.

 

[brightfame52]

Catholic doctrine? They claim Apostolic doctrine as well. Augustine promoted "Universal" authority in the Catholic church.

Its Pauline Doctrine Rom 3

 

[praise_yeshua]

Its Pauline Doctrine Rom 3

So you're changing your argument? Why?

 

[brightfame52]

So you're changing your argument? Why?

Its Pauline Doctrine Rom 3

 

[praise_yeshua]

Its Pauline Doctrine Rom 3

You not getting this at all.

Catholicism claims to reflect Apostolic doctrine. (your original reference). I called you on this and NOW you're claiming YOUR version is from Paul.

You've changed your argument.

Now, you are using the good name of Paul to try and sell your false doctrine.

Repeat yourself again and you can talk to someone else.

 

[Behold]

Its Pauline Doctrine Rom 3

Here is your stumbling stone, among others... @brightfame52

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

See that?
That is not proving that those people can't BELIEVE....its only proving that they are "all have sinned". Its only proving that there are UNBELIEVERS and they are all the same.

And "Jesus came into the world to SAVE SINNERS".........

John 3:16. = "For God so loved the WORLD"... (Of Sinners).. that He Gave Jesus for them ALL.

Or as Jesus told you....

"if i be lifted up..(on the Cross), I will draw (call) ALL people to me".

That "All" is John 3:16..>"the World".


Now will ALL come and be saved?
No?
Why not?

= Free will. Some will choose to DIE a Christ rejector., never born again..

 

[brightfame52]

You not getting this at all.

Catholicism claims to reflect Apostolic doctrine. (your original reference). I called you on this and NOW you're claiming YOUR version is from Paul.

You've changed your argument.

Now, you are using the good name of Paul to try and sell your false doctrine.

Repeat yourself again and you can talk to someone else.

Paul wrote Rom 3

 

[praise_yeshua]

Paul wrote Rom 3

Repeating the same claim over and over again without dealing with what I stated.

 

[brightfame52]

Here is your stumbling stone, among others... @brightfame52

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

See that?
That is not proving that those people can't BELIEVE....its only proving that they are "all have sinned". Its only proving that there are UNBELIEVERS and they are all the same.

And "Jesus came into the world to SAVE SINNERS".........

John 3:16. = "For God so loved the WORLD"... (Of Sinners).. that He Gave Jesus for them ALL.

Or as Jesus told you....

"if i be lifted up..(on the Cross), I will draw (call) ALL people to me".

That "All" is John 3:16..>"the World".


Now will ALL come and be saved?
No?
Why not?

= Free will. Some will choose to DIE a Christ rejector., never born again..

Man by nature Rom 3:9-19

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17 And the way of peace have they not known:

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

 

[civic]

Man by nature Rom 3:9-19

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17 And the way of peace have they not known:

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Great verses thanks but they don’t mean what you think they do.

 

[TomL]

So is the natural man dead ? What did Jesus mean about not having no life in you ? Jn 6 53

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

Is Jesus talking about physical life here ?

That mitagates against your theology

Unless one comes to and believes on Christ he has no life yet your doctrine states he is given life without you eating the flesh or drinking the blood.

 

[Rockson]

That mitagates against your theology

Unless one comes to and believes on Christ he has no life yet your doctrine states he is given life without you eating the flesh or drinking the blood.

And we can I think say it this way.

So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.Jn 6:53

So by eating his flesh and drinking his blood is really a reality once a person starts believing and not before. That is when you have LIFE and not prior. So Calvinist say LIFE comes before believing. Way out of line.

 

[brightfame52]

Great verses thanks but they don’t mean what you think they do.

Man by nature Rom 3:9-19