Yet nowhere do we see he created your sin
The suppression of reason, logic, common sense and morality in Calvinism
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No? LOL Who did?
He did, however, create the necessary conditions for sin to enter the world. Purposely. Would you agree? If not, then who did?
He provided a way of escape
1 Corinthians 10:13 (ESV) — 13 No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.
That is the opposite of upholding sin
Topic change? LOL I will take this as I have no arguement to his point so let's go somewhere else.
Umm....temptation is a sin?
Rockson
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No you do not agree with me. You do NOT believe he created mankind to have free will and liberty you believe God ordained people's actions and their deeds. You can't say you believe MAN was given liberty and turn right around and out of the other side of your mouth say God ordained their actions. If he ordained them then at no times did they have liberty. Sorry but a square peg can't fit a round hole and God is not the author of your confusion.
They way I define them, properly, I absolutely do.
Rockson
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So I wonder why Paul didn't tell them stop being worried about temptation! Look everything is ordained anyway and there's nothing you can do to change that. If you're going to sin you're going to sin and if you're not you're not which is the basic Calvinists thought.
Rockson
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The way you define them is out of the norm of how even language is meant to be used. I can assure you in a court of law the way you and other Calvinists use words would be laughed out of court. A judge would probably tell you don't even show up in his court unless you're going to say things that make coherent sense.
Who said uts out of the norm and who left to to judge what is normal and what is not?
My definition of free will no one has issue with.
Rockson
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I've said my peace. I'll let readers decide.
That's what I figured.
civic
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ditto
Rockson
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What so you actually think I'd allow YOU to decide these things?
Look you've said what you've said you think or believe scripture is saying. I have done the same. Readers will decide.
It's strange as God expresses a desires you do not sin, sin angers and grieves him yet Calvinists claim God upholds or supports sin
Rockson
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Words can't describe how really weird and off the wall such thinking really is.
really
