Today is the Day of Salvation
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101G
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Again, "Father" here is not biological. please look up the word Father and really see what it means. ..... ok. if yoiu cannot understand 101G can give you scriptures to understand exactly what Father means.
101G.
He showed in the Lords prayer, the # 1 most important thing= his Fathers name, then his kingdom and will. He promised to keep on making his Fathers name known-John 17:26-YHVH(Jehovah) is that name.
Mary was Jesus' Mother--are you calling God a liar-He inspired the words.
101G
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his Father is HIM, in the ECHAAD. My Father is him the Spirit. listen and Learn, John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." Question, "was the Son of Man in Heaven while he was talking to Nicodemus here on EARTH?" yes, ....... (smile). Oh my, my, my. did you understand?
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Error, Mary only birthed the body, (flesh bone and blood), that he Jesus can in. and on top of that she was only a surrogate mother..... (smile).....
YIKES!101G.
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Keiw1said!,
"are you calling God a liar-He inspired the words."no, you're, because he inspired this, Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."
and is not the conceiver of a child is the "Father"? yes, so the Father speaking biologically is the Holy Spirit. now what do you have to say about that?
101G.
YHVH created him first direct= Firstborn of all creation= reality. So yes he was in heaven prior to earth.
Keep twisting stuff, you will lose.Error, Mary only birthed the body, (flesh bone and blood), that he Jesus can in. and on top of that she was only a surrogate mother..... (smile).....
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'But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus,
Who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness,
and sanctification, and redemption:
That, according as it is written,
He that glorieth, let Him glory in the Lord.'
(1Co 1:30-31)
Hello @Keiw1,
Peter and Paul prayed to, 'The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ', and that is who God is, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our Father too, 'in Him'. For the believer in the Lord Jesus Christ has been placed 'in' Christ Jesus by God, and are thereby adopted as sons, sons of God.
Praise God!
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Hello @101G,
I love the simplicity of the Scriptures. The words, 'The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ', is in itself a statement of faith, and can only be used in all honesty, by one who believes that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God. It enfolds and embraces the believer as he approaches the Father in prayer. In the sure knowledge that He will be heard and received. with love and grace, into the presence of the One Who redeemed Him at such measureless cost.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
101G
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ERROR, the Lord Jesus is not CREATED. and as for first born? .... from the dead. Colossians 1:18 "And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."
Oh my, my, my.....
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101G
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(smile), winning and losing are for children. for either one is in Christ, ....... you're already an OVERCOMER, or you're not, outside of HIM...... understand, 1 Corinthians 13:11 "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things." Put those childish things away, ok.
101G.
101G
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GINOLJC, to all
First thanks for the reply. second are you really understanding what you're reading in that statement? "The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ'" THIS IS THE SAME ONE PERSON. listen, "OF" the preposition gives us this understanding. if we go by your thinking God and Father right there dis-qualify your definition of the ONE TRUE GOD, for do not the title "Father", identify a person, but do not the Term God identify any and if all person, (for your trinity's sake), that is God? yes. so the statement "God" and, and, and, the Father would identify two separate persons, correct, now you would have 4 persons. do you see your error? see "of" means #1. expressing the relationship between a part and a whole. #2. indicating an association between two entities, typically one of belonging. if I say My Car, meaning possession.... correct. my Car "belongs" to me, correct. And expressing this is a relationship of a WHOLE, correct. to the conjunction "AND" express the belonging of the Whole, correct. so God ... "And" Father is the whole "OF", "OF", "OF", the Lord Jesus. the ECHAD again displayed right in front of our faces. understand Complete, "of" translates the genitive case of nouns, with various shades of meaning. Of these the subjective and objective are mentioned here, which need careful distinction. from W.E. Vines dictionary. Now Question, is God Subjective? yes, for he is Abstract. and the Lord Jesus, the EQUAL SHARE of the WHOLE in Flesh is Objective, for he is concrete. so, the God and Father "of", "of", "of", our Lord Jesus is the same one person.
hope you understand, if not, re-read this post carefully for edification.
101G.
Rom_1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom_15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Co_1:3 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;
2Co_11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
Eph_1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Eph_1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Eph_5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Col_1:3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
1Th_1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th_1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
2Th_1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
1Pe_1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
"from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ" Paul regularly uses only one preposition for both names (cf. 1 Cor. 1:3; 2 Cor. 1:3; Gal. 1:3; Eph. 1:2; Phil. 1:2; 2 Thess. 1:2; 1 Tim. 1:2; 2 Tim. 1:2; Titus 1:4). This was his way of grammatically linking these two Persons of the Trinity. This would emphasize Jesus' deity and equality with the Father.
101G
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AGENT "J", I commend you. but only one point....... "This was his way of grammatically linking these two Persons of the Trinity. This would emphasize Jesus' deity and equality with the Father." Correct, both are the same ONE PERSON, but as an ECHAD of one WHOLE. not of a trinity, but of an "ECHAD" of ONE.
see you said it, "equality with the Father", With indicate the same ONE PERSON, but only in DESIGINATION of ORDER. I.E. First and last. watch the Hebrew term "With". Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." seems like two separate persons ... Right.... Wrong. listen to the Hebrew definition of "WITH",
WITH: H314 אַחֲרוֹן 'acharown (ach-ar-one') adj.
אַחֲרֹן 'acharon (ach-ar-one') [shortened]
1. hinder.
2. (generally) late or last.
3. (specifically) (as facing the east) western.
[from H309]
KJV: after (-ward), to come, following, hind(-er, -ermost, -most), last, latter, rereward, ut(ter)most.
Root(s): H309
Did you notice definition #1? in Hebrew with do not always means alongside, but here, with indicate the “LAST” as in the Last Adam. meaning he's the same one PERSON, for he said I, I, I, I, I am he, one PERSON. and this brought out clearly in Isaiah 48:12 WATCH THE "I AM HE" "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." BINGO, the same one Person.
just as "WITH" is used of the WORD in John 1:1 .... watch. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." BINGO, the SAME one PERSON.
Agent "J" study that word "with" and how it is used concerning God, and himself in the ECHAD.
101G.
P.S. Good work in understand the connection as you stated...... on point
jeremiah1five
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OK. So what are you trying to say.
Jesus doesn't accept glory from men- John 5:41) He directs all glory to his Father-Mark 10:17,18--John 5:19,30
Verses 15-16 is about the beginning creation=0 doubt.
