Behold
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Most people on forums are trying to teach Calvinism or TULIP, or Acts 2:38, or argue relentlessly about the Trinity, or OSAS, or Pre-Trib or Losing Salvation or water baptism is required for salvation.
How To Understand : Acts 2:38
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Most people on forums are trying to teach Calvinism or TULIP, or Acts 2:38, or argue relentlessly about the Trinity, or OSAS, or Pre-Trib or Losing Salvation or water baptism is required for salvation.
sethproton
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Yes we have a variety of POV here, which can mke interesting conversations. I wonder why you specifcally focus on Paul
Behold
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Its because the Bride of Christ started with The Cross of Christ, as that is the Birth-day of the "time of the Gentiles".
This is a period, a season, where God stopped specifically dealing with the JEW, and the "gentiles" are now the primary focus.
This "time of the Gentiles", ends, when the Trib starts.
We, the "church" are now IN the "time of the Gentiles" and there is ONE Apostle who Jesus called to be the "Apostle to the Gentiles".
This Apostle wrote the Church Doctrine, and most of the Epistles.
This Apostle said to be a "follower of me, as i follow Christ", and we are to follow his example regarding how we serve God, how we pray, how we give, how we teach, and what we teach.
This Apostle is : Paul
Peter, said of Paul's Letters.>that they are "Scripture" and that was before a NT showed up, and that was while Peter was still BREATHING.
sethproton
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You are stating why you value Paul. As we all do. But the actual question could be stated, "Why exalt Paul over Matthew , Luke, John and the oher writers?
Behold
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No, im stating Why Jesus values Paul... "in the Time of the Gentiles", and we are in the "time of the Gentiles".
Paul is the ONLY "Apostle to the Gentiles".. and @sethproton ... the "bride of Christ", is found there....... "In the time of the Gentiles".
God is specifically dealing with the GENTILES right now.......not the Jews......So PAUL is sent for THAT PURPOSE... not the other apostles.
So, Paul is chosen, just for the "Church" "in the Time of the Gentiles"......= He is our NT Teacher. This is why He wrote most of the NT Epistles.
See, in the NT CHURCH.... Paul teaches all the Church Doctrine.
Listen, you dont learn how to choose a Pastor for your Church by reading James, John, Jude, or Peter.
Paul shows you how to do that.
Want to learn about the 9 Spiritual GIFTS? Go to PAUL as He wrote about them.......not the others.
And on, and on..........Its Paul who is the "DOCTRINE for the CHURCH"....
He is the Teacher..
And that's what im doing here.
sethproton
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Ok thanks. I think I have an idea of what you are doing. God bless you,
Complete
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'Ye men of Israel, hear these words; ... ...'
(Act 2:22)
Hello @Behold,
The Holy Spirit spoke through Peter on the day of Pentecost, as He did through Paul later. What changed was the context. God had reasons for what He said, and for the changes that He introduced. Peter and Paul were chosen to be Apostles (or sent ones) to fulfil God's purpose, as both 'The Apostle to the circumcision,' and 'The Apostle to the gentiles', The message they delivered was not their own, therefore important as their part was in delivering the word of God, it was God who instituted the changes that were introduced.
Praise His Holy Name!!
In Christ Jesus
Chris
(Act 2:22)
Hello @Behold,
The Holy Spirit spoke through Peter on the day of Pentecost, as He did through Paul later. What changed was the context. God had reasons for what He said, and for the changes that He introduced. Peter and Paul were chosen to be Apostles (or sent ones) to fulfil God's purpose, as both 'The Apostle to the circumcision,' and 'The Apostle to the gentiles', The message they delivered was not their own, therefore important as their part was in delivering the word of God, it was God who instituted the changes that were introduced.
Praise His Holy Name!!
In Christ Jesus
Chris
sethproton
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Yes! Solid truth, God bless you'Ye men of Israel, hear these words; ... ...'
(Act 2:22)
Hello @Behold,
The Holy Spirit spoke through Peter on the day of Pentecost, as He did through Paul later. What changed was the context. God had reasons for what He said, and for the changes that He introduced. Peter and Paul were chosen to be Apostles (or sent ones) to fulfil God's purpose, as both 'The Apostle to the circumcision,' and 'The Apostle to the gentiles', The message they delivered was not their own, therefore important as their part was in delivering the word of God, it was God who instituted the changes that were introduced.
Praise His Holy Name!!
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Behold
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1 Corinthians 11:1
Behold
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Hello,
The Bible is a book of "progressive revelation"......>Its showing what God has done, is doing ,and will do next.
So, in the "time of the gentiles", we have the "Apostles to the gentiles".... and His doctrine is "Church" or "Body of Christ" Doctrine.
This is why Peter said that Paul's LETTERS are "Scripture".
So, in Acts 15, Peter met Paul, and so did the rest of the Apostles, and at that time, Paul gave them some revelation regarding Paul's Gospel.
And that Gospel, is not "repent and be baptized", as you find in Acts 2.
civic
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Interesting in the fact PAul said the following.
1 Corinthians 1:14- I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, ( See Acts 18 )
civic
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Its good to see you back here brother.
Behold
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And he said.."Christ sent me not to water baptize"....
What is Paul showing us?
He is literally avoiding any connection to.. John the Baptizers OT = "JEWISH repentance" that Peter was still using in Acts 2.
This is why Paul says, that His Gospel is "MY Gospel", as its not Acts 2, as Acts 2 is not Paul's.
Its Peter's message to Pentecostal Jews, right at the beginning of ACTS, when this is so very close to what Peter the JEW, knew.
He KNEW of... "repent and be baptized" as that is the OT "JEW" thing that was being transitioned out of, and into "the time of the Gentiles"..
So, Peter didnt know any of this, in Acts 2, so, he could not teach or preach, what he didnt know.
But he knew all about "repent and be baptized" as that is a JEWISH thing......= OT.
Paul is the revealer of the NEW Covenant, as the "Blood Atonement" and His Gospel is "THE CROSS" being Preached, not water or works.
"The preaching of THE CROSS, is THE POWER... OF GOD.... unto SALVATiON... for everyone who BELIEVES"..
That GOSPEL has no water in it, it only has THE CROSS as "the POWER", that is related to the PREACHING OF the Cross.
Paul goes deeper, and says this... and notice there is no water, no works, no commandment keeping...
Its just Christ and THE Cross, = Paul's Gospel.
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For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
New Living Translation
For I decided that while I was with you I would forget everything except Jesus Christ, the one who was crucified.
English Standard Version
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
Berean Standard Bible
For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
Berean Literal Bible
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him having been crucified.
King James Bible
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
New King James Version
For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
New American Standard Bible
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.
NASB 1995
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.
NASB 1977
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.
Legacy Standard Bible
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.
Amplified Bible
for I made the decision to know nothing [that is, to forego philosophical or theological discussions regarding inconsequential things and opinions while] among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified [and the meaning of His redemptive, substitutionary death and His resurrection].
Christian Standard Bible
I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
For I didn’t think it was a good idea to know anything a
sethproton
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thanks. nice seeing you.Its good to see you back here brother.
e v e
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and the prophets
sethproton
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yes, every Bible book. Praise God for it!
dwight92070
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To Behold,
John the Baptist baptizing people was part of the Law? Please give the Old Testament verses that command water baptism.
Also Jesus did NOT say, "Let's fulfill all things." He said, " ... it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." Nobody became righteous by fulfilling the Law. Romans 3:21
Peter and all of the 120 in the upper room WERE ALREADY baptized. John 4:1 In fact, some of them were most likely baptized twice. First by John the Baptist, then later after Jesus started His ministry, they had to be baptized again "in the name of the Lord Jesus" Acts 19:1-7 Paul met some disciples who only knew about John's baptism, so he taught them about Jesus, and they were baptized a second time into Jesus.
Once again, the Bible only speaks of ONE gospel, not two. In Acts 20:24-25, Paul first speaks of the gospel of the grace of God in verse 24, then he speaks of the gospel of the kingdom (of God) in verse 25. He was referring to the SAME gospel, not two gospels. We are in the "times of the Gentiles". Where does the Bible say that there will be a SECOND "time of the Jews" after Christ returns, or, going by dispensationalism, after the secret rapture?
Also, when Jesus returns on the "last day", that's it - there will be no more days - that's why He calls it the "last day". There's NO Trib. or great Trib. There's no millennium, where Jesus reigns on earth for 1000 years. That would be a demotion for Jesus, since He is now sitting at the right hand of God. To think that He will leave that throne in heaven for 1000 years, so that He can come back to earth and reign here is highly unlikely. In fact, He Himself said, "My kingdom is not of this world" and again, "My kingdom is not of this realm." in John18:36 John Darby is the one who made up all those dispensational views, which are NOT found in the Bible.
The Bible DOES say that when Christ returns, the rapture of the church will occur, all the dead, both righteous and unrighteous will be raised, Jesus will judge all of mankind, send the unbelievers into a fiery judgment, keep the believers with Him in the clouds, destroy this earth and this heaven with fire, create a new heaven and a new earth, and then apparently (this part isn't known for sure) He will descend with us, all the believers, to the new earth, and we will be with Him forever.
Finally, I agree with you. Nobody gets saved by being baptized in water. Salvation must occur before that.
John the Baptist baptizing people was part of the Law? Please give the Old Testament verses that command water baptism.
Also Jesus did NOT say, "Let's fulfill all things." He said, " ... it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." Nobody became righteous by fulfilling the Law. Romans 3:21
Peter and all of the 120 in the upper room WERE ALREADY baptized. John 4:1 In fact, some of them were most likely baptized twice. First by John the Baptist, then later after Jesus started His ministry, they had to be baptized again "in the name of the Lord Jesus" Acts 19:1-7 Paul met some disciples who only knew about John's baptism, so he taught them about Jesus, and they were baptized a second time into Jesus.
Once again, the Bible only speaks of ONE gospel, not two. In Acts 20:24-25, Paul first speaks of the gospel of the grace of God in verse 24, then he speaks of the gospel of the kingdom (of God) in verse 25. He was referring to the SAME gospel, not two gospels. We are in the "times of the Gentiles". Where does the Bible say that there will be a SECOND "time of the Jews" after Christ returns, or, going by dispensationalism, after the secret rapture?
Also, when Jesus returns on the "last day", that's it - there will be no more days - that's why He calls it the "last day". There's NO Trib. or great Trib. There's no millennium, where Jesus reigns on earth for 1000 years. That would be a demotion for Jesus, since He is now sitting at the right hand of God. To think that He will leave that throne in heaven for 1000 years, so that He can come back to earth and reign here is highly unlikely. In fact, He Himself said, "My kingdom is not of this world" and again, "My kingdom is not of this realm." in John18:36 John Darby is the one who made up all those dispensational views, which are NOT found in the Bible.
The Bible DOES say that when Christ returns, the rapture of the church will occur, all the dead, both righteous and unrighteous will be raised, Jesus will judge all of mankind, send the unbelievers into a fiery judgment, keep the believers with Him in the clouds, destroy this earth and this heaven with fire, create a new heaven and a new earth, and then apparently (this part isn't known for sure) He will descend with us, all the believers, to the new earth, and we will be with Him forever.
Finally, I agree with you. Nobody gets saved by being baptized in water. Salvation must occur before that.
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sethproton
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As far as John and the law, only some small percentage here might think that he was fulfilling law. But we know there are no laws addessing what John did in baptism. Also, other than Peter before the cross, it is impossible to show that the disciples got water baptzed after pentecost. But if you know a verse I'm interested to see it. I do agree with two baptisms, but cannot tell by the way you say it here if you mean one by water and one by Spirit. You are saying some unfamiliar ideas related to last day, His return, trib, millineum. I have a struggle trying to understand how those who have died and are with Jesus, can get raised(resurrected) but there are words that say that.
Nice post.
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Complete
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'Endeavouring to keep
the unity of the Spirit
in the bond of peace.
There is:-
.. one body, and
.... one Spirit, even as ye are called in
...... one hope of your calling;
....... One Lord,
........ one faith,
.......... one baptism,
............ One God and Father of all,
.............. Who is above all, and through all, and in you all.'
(Eph 4:3-6)
Praise God!
the unity of the Spirit
in the bond of peace.
There is:-
.. one body, and
.... one Spirit, even as ye are called in
...... one hope of your calling;
....... One Lord,
........ one faith,
.......... one baptism,
............ One God and Father of all,
.............. Who is above all, and through all, and in you all.'
(Eph 4:3-6)
Praise God!
Bob Carabbio
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And there are some who teach that the Earth is flat.
The "Gospel" is that which God promised in Genesis 3:15, has been provided in Jesus, who will bruise the serpent's head.
Eph 2:8,9 is how it works.
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