What kind of Faith did Noah have?

Sir, you just said we do not have to do the work of believe in Jesus, 1John 3:23-24.
You just taught we do not have to obey the commandment to believe, 1John 3:23-24.
Word games. "Belief" (mental assent) is never the issue. FAITH IS. After all satan "believes" with much greater accuracy than we ever will, but he's not saved.
Would God have saved Noah if he refused to build the ark, just believed what God said but did not do the commands God gave him?
Translation: Would God have saved Noah if Noah HAD NO FAITH IN GOD'S WORD??

Nope.

Simple as that. The book of James provides a litmus test by which we can see whether or not what we CALL "FAITH" actually is "FAITH", and not just "religious belief".

Works are worthless salvifically, but they ARE THE NATURAL RESULT of FAITH. "Belief" doesn't necessarily produce "works", but FAITH always does.
 
Sir, faith itself or belief in Jesus and His gospel is a commandment of God.
No "Either/OR" FAITH and "Belief" are two completely different things, and have different attributes.
So, I know I've proven you cannot be saved without works being involved in salvation.
Actually you've "Proved nothing except for your own / your denomination's paradigm.

Salvation is BY FAITH, plus nothing. but as Melancthon (and others) taught "It is FAITH ALONE that saves, but the FAITH that save will never be alone".

Biblical FAITH will of it's intrinsic nature result in "Works". The Works are only the INDICATION of faith, and aren't salvific in themselves.

Simple as that.
 
There ya go interpreting a prophecy God gave to Israel and making it apply to Gentiles is just wrong on many levels.
Why aren't you following sound interpretative instructions to come to the knowledge of the truth? Why add to the bible things that are just not there?
John's baptism was old covenant.
Jesus's baptism is new covenant.

Only the Jews were baptized by John.
Gentiles were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

John's baptism was not in the name of Jesus Christ.
Because Jesus' new testament baptism replaced John's baptism.
The gospel of Christ is being baptized into the name of Christ not John.

This is a very obvious example of the differences between the preaching of Jesus during His earthly ministry and the preaching of Christ's new testament gospel when it became active or in forced.

Hebrews 9:16-17,
- for where a testament is there must also of necessity be the death of the testator
- for a testament is of force AFTER MEN ARE DEAD otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator LIVETH


Jesus' new testament gospel was only preached after His death Sir!!!!!

Once you understand how a testament works then you will understand when God commanded both jew and gentile to obey the new will and testament of Jesus Christ.

Again,
While Jesus was in the flesh during His 3 year earthly ministry He had not commanded anyone to be baptized in His name.

Jesus only told the Jews to be baptized by John which is the old testament, old covenant to prepare the Jews for the coming of the new covenant of their Savior Jesus Christ.

The new testament gospel was first preached by Peter in Acts 2.
Only this new gospel of Christ was for all not only the jews.

So the prophecy of Joel was taught by Peter AFTER JESUS HAD RESSURECTED AND LEFT THE EARTH.

Cornelius in Acts 10 was taught the same gospel that Peter preached to the Jews AT THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW TESTAMENT WHEN IT CAME INTO EFFECT.

Look at the exact same similarities,

Acts 2:38,
- then Peter said unto them Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ.

Not John's baptism but in Jesus' name.

This is the great commission for all the world not just Jews like John's baptism.

Acts 10:47-48,
- can any man forbid water that these should not be baptized which have recieved the Holy Spirit as well as we
- And Peter commanded them to be baptized IN THE NAME OF THE LORD(not John's baptism)

Peter taught the gospel to Cornelius who was a gentile and commanded him to be baptized in new testament baptism which is the great commission of Jesus that Jesus Himself preached as His last sermon before He left the earth and went back to His Father in heaven.

Matthew 28:19-20,
- go ye therefore and teach ALL NATIONS baptizing them(jew&gentile) in the name of John the baptizer....

Is that what Jesus' last sermon to His disciples was? NO SIR!!!

Here are His exact words,
- go ye therefore and teach ALL NATIONS baptizing them(jew & gentile) in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit teaching them to observe all things which I commanded you...

Jesus never once before His death and ressurection preached this new testament gospel to the jews.
All Jesus told the Jews while He was living was,
Matthew 10:5-6,7
- These twelve Jesus sent forth and commanded them saying,
Go not into the way of the Gentiles and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not, BUT GO RATHER TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL

- and as ye go preach THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND


The prophecy of Joel does speak of gentiles Peter includes the gentiles in his first gospel sermon in Acts 2.

Acts 2:17,21
- and it shall come to pass that I will pour out My Spirit on ALL FLESH
-
and it shall come to pass that whosoever(this word means everyone) calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved

Exactly Paul's words in Paul's gospel,
Romans 10:18,
- for EVERYONE who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved

This great commission in Mark 16:15-16 and Matthew 28:19. Is for all nations for EVERY creature.
Jesus' baptism is the new baptism in His new gospel for jew and gentile.

Back to Peter in Acts chapter 2 where the new gospel of Christ was in force.

Acts 2:38-39,
- for the promise is to you(jews)
And to your children(Jews children)
And for  ALL who are afar off(gentiles were referred to as afar off by God)
As many as our Lord God will call

Peter preached the gospel of Christ in Acts 2 and he included the gentiles being saved by this gospel which later he preached to Cornelius the first gentile convert.

Ephesians 2:13,
- but now Christ Jesus you once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ
Ephesians 2:11,
- remember that formerly you who are GENTILES BY BIRTH and called uncircumcised by those who call themselves the circumcision

Yes, Peter's gospel and Paul's gospel are one in the same.
The great commission is the new testament gospel we are all under today.
Not under the law as Paul says in Galatians meaning the old covenant law of Moses that includes the baptism of John.

Galatians 6:2,
- Carry one another's burdens and so fullfill the law of Christ
The new testament law that includes the commandment of being baptized into the name of Christ.

Acts 19:1-7,
- and Paul said unto them, into what were ye baptized
- so they said into John's baptism
- then Paul said John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come AFTER John that is on Christ
- When they heard this they were baptized IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS


Both jew and gentile are baptized into the gospel of Christ that is for all nations.

So you are mistaken in accusing me of teaching error on Gods prophecies Sir.

There is one new testament gospel that Jesus proclaimed is for the whole world.
 
Word games. "Belief" (mental assent) is never the issue. FAITH IS. After all satan "believes" with much greater accuracy than we ever will, but he's not saved
For the last time I agree with you that there is only one kind of true Biblical Faith.

This does not mean the Bible does not teach of belief alone that cannot save anyone

John 12:42,
- Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Jesus but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they be put out of the synagogue

Their faith was alone, therefore could have no effect on God to impart Grace.

Matthew 10:32,33
- but whoever(includes everyone) denies Me before men, him will I also deny before My Father in heaven.

James 2:24,
- you see then that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone(faith without obedient works)
 
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It wasn't limited. Christ didn't send His disciples to the Hebrews living in Gentile lands under a Greek culture to half of the Hebrews, but to all of them to herald this one truth: Israel's Messiah had come and God has kept His Promise. That was the only 'commission' they had
Yes Jesus' earthly ministry absolutely was limited by the fact that He had not yet revealed His full gospel to save everyone the same way.

Jesus only preached of John's baptism to who?
Did John's baptism include Gentiles?

John 3:5,
- Jesus answered, verily I say unto you, except a man be born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God

John's baptism was still taking place in John chapter 3 and who was this baptism for? All nations? All flesh? Every creature?

Mark 1:5,
- and there went out unto him all the land of Judea(jews) and they of Jerusalem( jews) and were all baptized of John in the Jordan river confessing their sins

While Jesus was living His gospel was not fully revealed.
Simple proof is Jews were being saved by confessing their sins and believing on the one who comes after John.

The new testament gospel has belief in Jesus' DEATH, BURIAL AND RESSURECTION. Something NO ONE COULD BELIEVE WHILE JESUS WAS STILL ALIVE IN THE FLESH PREACHING ON EARTH.

1Corinthians 15:1-5,
- how that Christ died for our sins
That He was buried and that He rose again the third day
 
Genesis 6:5,
- and Noah did according to all that the Lord commanded him

Hebrews 11:7,
- by faith Noah being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith

Noah had a faith that moved him to obey Gods commandments.

With the information that the Scriptures give on Noah, it can be understood that Noah had an obedient faith.

Could Noah have been saved just by his belief alone in Gods warning of the destruction of the world?
Or
Did Noah need an obedient faith that worked Gods commandments by building the ark?

If Noah believed all that God told him and instructed him yet chose not to build the ark?
Could Noah's faith alone absent of obeying Gods commandments have saved him?

What caused the world in the days of Noah to be condemned by God?
1Peter 3:20,
- who formerly were disobedient when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah while the ark was being prepared in which few that is eight souls were saved through water

Ecclesiastes 12:13,
- let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter fear God and keep His commandments for this is mans all

I've heard it said faith that has no works is the faith that saves in the gospel of Jesus Christ.
The works God gives us to do are His commandments just as He instructed Noah.

Question: Can we believe but not obey all of Gods commandments and be saved by our faith alone?
Is that the way God saved Noah?
Also Who did God not save? Was it not the people who were disobedient to Gods commandments?

Last question: Since God saved Noah as a man with an obedient faith. Did God change His mind and now saves those with faith apart from obedience to His commandments?

If God does save folks today that disobey His commandments then God has changed His nature. For in the old testament God destroyed all the world that disobeyed Him.

Malachi 3:6,
- for I am the Lord, I do not change
Subject heading:-What kind of Faith did Noah have?

'By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet,
moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house;
by the which he condemned the world,
and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.'

(Heb 11:7)

Hello @Titus,

Noah believed God, and his actions reflected that. Those were the works of faith.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Noah had already "found grace" (Genesis 6:8), was "a preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5), and "walked with God" BEFORE he built the ark. His obedience was a DEMONSTRATION of his faith and not the origin of it. Building the ark demonstrated that Noah believed God about flooding the earth and the ark saved Noah and his family (physically) from drowning. (Hebrews 11:17) If Noah would have refused to build the ark, then he would have demonstrated a lack of faith in what God told him about flooding the earth, but of course, that was not the case.
And what Has GOD commanded us , To BELIEVE on JESUS the CHRIST .
We are warned that the coming wrath of GOD will destroy the old heavens and old earth
SO GUESS who , what ARK , I am gonna point folks to get onto . JESUS THE CHRIST .
Always remember what john once wrote . HE who believes NOT the TESTIMONY that GOD gave of His Son
calls GOD a liar . God has CHOSEN how to save the world and the call has been made , TO BELEIVE ON THAT NAME .
So never let another try and convince you that somehow other religons serve the same GOD we do and they are fine .
Cause they call GOD a liar . Preach JESUS till the breath runs out of those lungs my friend .
Now when i say to preach JESUS , that GOSPEL , beware for many do preach another jesus and another gospel , and that one wont save .
 
Yes Jesus' earthly ministry absolutely was limited by the fact that He had not yet revealed His full gospel to save everyone the same way.

Jesus only preached of John's baptism to who?
Did John's baptism include Gentiles?

John 3:5,
- Jesus answered, verily I say unto you, except a man be born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God

John's baptism was still taking place in John chapter 3 and who was this baptism for? All nations? All flesh? Every creature?

Mark 1:5,
- and there went out unto him all the land of Judea(jews) and they of Jerusalem( jews) and were all baptized of John in the Jordan river confessing their sins

While Jesus was living His gospel was not fully revealed.
Simple proof is Jews were being saved by confessing their sins and believing on the one who comes after John.

The new testament gospel has belief in Jesus' DEATH, BURIAL AND RESSURECTION. Something NO ONE COULD BELIEVE WHILE JESUS WAS STILL ALIVE IN THE FLESH PREACHING ON EARTH.

1Corinthians 15:1-5,
- how that Christ died for our sins
That He was buried and that He rose again the third day
Actually JESUS did preach the whole gospel . He did speak of the SON of man being crucified and rising again .
ITs just this sayings were hid from them , TILL AFTER HE ROSE from the dead . You are correct in that it was not yet fully revealed .
He speaks of as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness so too must the son of man be lifted up
He does speak of the whole gospel . But as you said it was not fully revealed .
 
Subject heading:-What kind of Faith did Noah have?

'By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet,
moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house;
by the which he condemned the world,
and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.'

(Heb 11:7)

Hello @Titus,

Noah believed God, and his actions reflected that. Those were the works of faith.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
Noah sure did Believe GOD and HIS actions sure did reflect that .
SO now i have a question for us all to ponder on my friend .
How come so many today do NOT BELEIVE GOD .
And yet how come so many saythey do and so do other false religoins serve the same GOD we do .
IF a man believes NOT JESUS the CHRIST then i tell us all they do NOT BELEIVE GOD .
Let me write that again .
IF one believes not JESUS the CHRIST , if they love not JESUS the CHRIST , then they LOVE NOT , BELEIVE NOT GOD .
Many can claim to believe Moses , torah , the prophets and yet if they BELIEVE NOT whom MOSES and torah spoke of
THEY DO NOT even beleive MOSES for HE spoke of Christ .
Are we seeing the big picture yet .
IF any one rejects the testimony that GOD gave of HIS SON , they have REJECTED GOD . THEY have beleived a LIE , NOT the TRUTH .
I say its high time that all do realize , to DENY JESUS IS CHRIST , IS TO DENY GOD WHO SENT HIM .
 
Noah had saving faith.
God spoke.
Noah obeyed.
Noah was saved.
And WHO was and is JESUS the CHRIST .
Whose Words DID HE SPEAK , WHO WORKED THROUGH HIM .
Jeremiah five , can you explain to me why we have us so many within christendom
who now try and behave and teach as though all religoins serve the same GOD we do .
What a lie that one is .
IF JESUS made it clear we must believe , IF THE FATHER HIMSELF testifies of the SON
Then why do so many testify of a false broad path love message which implies these other religoins
whom i KNOW DO NOT beleive JESUS to be the CHRIST , somehow know and love and serve the same GOD we do .
Cause the last time i checked , HE who beleives not the testimony GOD gave of HIS SON , Calls GOD a liar .
HE who hears us , IS OFGOD , he who hears us not IS NOT OF GOD . john wrote that too .
WHEN JESUS spoke , GOD SPOKE . so why do so very many reject HIM as the CHRIST
Because THEY ARE NOT OF GOD . No man , By the HOLY SPIRIT would call JESUS accursed . now would they .
Sheep hear HIS voice and not a stranger who preaches a false love .
Charity . I hear the word LOVE a lot these days . SO lets see what the agape LOVE OF GOD
does and what the love that is of the world Does not do .
CHARITY rejoices in THE TRUTH . LOVE REJOICES IN THE TRUTH . no lie is of the TRUTH . ITS JESUS PREACHING TIME again .
 
Noah had saving faith.
God spoke.
Noah obeyed.
Noah was saved.
And in these last times HAS SPOKEN THROUGH THE SON .
Yet it sure seems a lot of folks dont hear and believe HIM .
So lets do a fast recap .
Noah heard GOD and BELIEVED GOD thus OBEYED GOD .
many hear the gospel today and yet BELEIVE NOT and thus , THEY ARE NOT SAVED . They think they are , but are NOT .
And worse a lot of christendom now believes these false religons are somehow of GOD .
But that would be a lie and no lie is of THE TRUTH . HE who is of GOD hears us , HE who is NOT OF GOD does not hear us .
THE TRUE GOSPEL is the KEY .
And one more fast reminder , if the jesus we obey honors sins and other paths , WELL IT AINT JESUS THE CHRIST we serve or obey
thus ITS NOT COMING FROM GOD .
 
John's baptism was old covenant.
Jesus's baptism is new covenant.
It is still following the Mosaic Law on cleansings. How can a Gentile determine for Hebrews what their Law prescribes for them? That's like Chinese tell Americans the U.S. Constitution is for the 1700s and not for us today. How dare you think you can say what belongs to one culture and what doesn't. It's their covenant. Let them do their covenant without outside influence to attempt change for something belonging to another culture. The Law and the Hebrew Scripture of Psalms and Prophets is still in effect for the Hebrews. Gentiles were never under the Law. Leave Hebrew Law to the Hebrews and stop interfereing.
Only the Jews were baptized by John.
Gentiles were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
Jesus as substitute under the Law for the animal sacrifice which atoned yearly for the sins of the children of Israel under that died under the Law for the sins of the children of Israel finally and forever as has been the plan of God for His covenant people. The sacrifice under the Law did not and was never made to atone for the sins of Gentiles and to claim Jesus' death is now for Gentiles violates and breaks the Law Jesus said cannot be broken. Just more meddling by Gentiles.
John's baptism was not in the name of Jesus Christ.
Yes, it was in the name of Moses and under the Law. It fulfilled the righteousness that is under the Law.
Because Jesus' new testament baptism replaced John's baptism.
The gospel of Christ is being baptized into the name of Christ not John.
More Gentile meddling. Tell me when the high priest left Israel and went to Gentiles and offered sacrifices for their sins. Did that ever happen? And who says Gentiles are now in the Hebrew covenants? Modern-day re-interpretation of Hebrew Scripture? In order for Gentiles to be even considered to be affected by the animal sacrifices they have to be under the Law, but they are not and never have been. Jesus Messiah was Israel's Messiah. The Holy Spirit of Promise was promised to Israel never to Gentiles. So, where does God promise Gentiles His Spirit? Where in the Hebrew Scripture does God promise the Holy Spirit to Gentiles?
This is a very obvious example of the differences between the preaching of Jesus during His earthly ministry and the preaching of Christ's new testament gospel when it became active or in forced.

Hebrews 9:16-17,
- for where a testament is there must also of necessity be the death of the testator
- for a testament is of force AFTER MEN ARE DEAD otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator LIVETH
Jesus' new testament gospel was only preached after His death Sir!!!!!
The New Covenant "gospel" is found in the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ and His effect upon the Abraham and Mosaic Covenants. All the New Covenant is, is Jesus Christ, Israel's Messiah, fulfilling the Mosaic Covenant and any change in the Law destroys the Law and this means the false Constantinian Gentile theology of the Hebrew religion that Jesus died for Gentiles. This change in the Law destroys the Law. But Jesus said He did not come to change the Law but to fulfill. And as under the Law the animal sacrifices were to and for to atone for the sins of the children of Israel, so did Jesus' death in the place of the animal under the Law atone for the sins of the children of Israel. And ONLY Israel. So, since none of the New Covenant writers contradict the Law in their letters, then the error is the false Gentile theology of the past 1900 years that says Gentiles are atoned under the Law and that the purpose of the animal sacrifice and Jesus' substitution applies to them now. This interpretation violates the Hebrew Scripture and the Law of Moses. The animal sacrifices under the Law never did anything for Gentiles. By Jesus fulfilling the Law perfectly His sacrifice atoned for the sins of the children of Israel under the Law. There is no teaching in the New Covenant writings that teach a break with the Law and that now Gentiles are atoned under the Hebrew/Jewish economy under their Law.
Once you understand how a testament works then you will understand when God commanded both jew and gentile to obey the new will and testament of Jesus Christ.
The Abraham Covenant is described made in Genesis 12, 15, and 17. Show me through these chapters where the Abraham Covenant is recorded made by Moses non-Hebrew Gentiles are in this covenant when God made it. Because that's the false interpretation of Galatians 3:28-29. Show me in the Hebrew Scripture Gentiles are in the Abraham and Mosaic Covenant. And show me the millions of foreskins of Gentiles made as per the Abraham Covenant. It is very convenient for Gentiles today to escape this requirement from God for anyone in the Abraham Covenant. But God said anyone not circumcised of Abraham's household is to be "cut off" from the Covenant. Just more garbage for Gentiles.
Again,
While Jesus was in the flesh during His 3 year earthly ministry He had not commanded anyone to be baptized in His name.
Jesus only told the Jews to be baptized by John which is the old testament, old covenant to prepare the Jews for the coming of the new covenant of their Savior Jesus Christ.
Cleansings under the Law which was commanded by God upon the Hebrew people was for their cleansings as per the Law in preparation to receive THEIR Promised Messiah. Where is it stated Israel's Messiah was promised to Gentiles?
The new testament gospel was first preached by Peter in Acts 2.
Only this new gospel of Christ was for all not only the jews.
Really? Is this why the text points to "Ye men of Israel and Judah" in his address to the twelve tribes? Doesn't he quote their prophets and kings about what was written before in the Hebrew Scripture about Israel's Messiah?
Let's see what the texts says:

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Acts 2:14.

Judah refers to the two southern kingdom tribes.

22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Acts 2:22.

Israel refers to the ten northern kingdom tribes.

So, here's Peter addressing the twelve tribes among themselves in Jerusalem tell them about Hebrew prophets who prophesied about a Hebrew Messiah promised to Hebrews. That is as consistent as anyone can make it. There were no Gentiles at this Hebrew Feast of Harvest. Jews from all over the Roman Empire came to this Hebrew feast in obedience to God. There were no uncircumcised Gentiles in the crowd. Gentiles hated the Jews, and the Jews hated Gentiles, and they kept their distance from each other. And what does Peter say about this "Holy Spirit of Promise?" WHO exactly was He promised to, anyway? Let's again refer to the text:

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Acts 2:38–39.

I don't see Peter at these opportune times claiming non-Hebrew Gentiles were promised God's Spirit. Where is this promise in the Hebrew Scripture? Or is it made up thinking others wouldn't notice?
Well, others have noticed the lie. There is nothing in the Hebrew Scripture upon which true, biblical Christianity is based saying God's Spirit was promised to uncircumcised, non-covenant, idol-worshiping Gentiles. Nothing. All Gentile theology is twisting and breaking of Scripture. And they do it unflinchingly. Just as brazen of democrats blaming Trump or MAGA for things they themselves do.
So the prophecy of Joel was taught by Peter AFTER JESUS HAD RESSURECTED AND LEFT THE EARTH.
Joel's prophecy was to and for the children of Israel. I already posted the text proving this and if Peter is saying Gentiles are promised God's Spirit, then Peter is in error and contradicting Scripture and should be rejected as a false teacher of Hebrew Scripture. But does Joel include non-Hebrew Gentiles in his prophecy? Let's look at the text:

23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God:
For he hath given you the former rain moderately,
And he will cause to come down for you the rain,
The former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.
24 And the floors shall be full of wheat,
And the fats shall overflow with wine and oil.
25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten,
The cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm,
My great army which I sent among you.
26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied,
And praise the name of the LORD your God,
That hath dealt wondrously with you:
And my people shall never be ashamed.
27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel,
And that I am the LORD your God, and none else:
And my people shall never be ashamed.
28 And it shall come to pass afterward,
That I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh;
And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your old men shall dream dreams,
Your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids
In those days will I pour out my spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth,
Blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and lthe moon into blood,
Before the great and nthe terrible day of the LORD come.
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered:
For in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance,
As the LORD hath said,
And in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
Joel 2:23–32.

Look at all these markers of Israel being the recipient of this holy promise of the Holy Spirit. Do you contradict the Hebrew Scripture text detailing to whom Joel's prophecy was made to? What am I saying. Of course you do. That's what Gentiles do. They steal the inheritance that never belonged to them.
Cornelius in Acts 10 was taught the same gospel that Peter preached to the Jews AT THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW TESTAMENT WHEN IT CAME INTO EFFECT.
Cornelius was a Hebrew who grew up Gentile in a Greek culture just like millions of Jews who were not a part of the 10% remnant that returned to Israel with Nehemiah. The Jews never would call this mixed heritage Jew a Jew. They would be called a "Gentile" the same way mixed heritage Hebrews of the ten northern tribes were called Samaritans and not "Jew."
Look at the exact same similarities,

Acts 2:38,
- then Peter said unto them Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ.

Not John's baptism but in Jesus' name.

This is the great commission for all the world not just Jews like John's baptism.

Acts 10:47-48,
- can any man forbid water that these should not be baptized which have recieved the Holy Spirit as well as we
- And Peter commanded them to be baptized IN THE NAME OF THE LORD(not John's baptism)
Cornelius was a Hebrew of mixed heritage. No uncircumcised Gentile would receive such respect from the Jews if Cornelius was Gentile. He was devout, he obeyed the Law in almsgiving, and was respected by the Jews and looked at by the Jews the same was they looked at Samaritans of mixed heritage.
Peter taught the gospel to Cornelius who was a gentile and commanded him to be baptized in new testament baptism which is the great commission of Jesus that Jesus Himself preached as His last sermon before He left the earth and went back to His Father in heaven.

Matthew 28:19-20,
- go ye therefore and teach ALL NATIONS baptizing them(jew&gentile) in the name of John the baptizer....
The "all nations" were exactly where God scattered His people. They knew nothing of Jesus arrival but everything of the Promise. Why wouldn't God care enough for them to send someone to tell them their Messiah had come, and God has kept His Promise.
Is that what Jesus' last sermon to His disciples was? NO SIR!!!

Here are His exact words,
- go ye therefore and teach ALL NATIONS baptizing them(jew & gentile) in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit teaching them to observe all things which I commanded you...
Jesus taught the spirit of the Law. Your interpretation has Jesus who said Scripture cannot be broken BREAKING SCRIPTURE in your interpretation is that Jesus is telling His disciples to teach Gentiles the spirit of the Law of Moses. Jesus would be a liar. A sinner to break Scripture and add Gentiles after the fact when there is nothing in the Hebrew Scripture of Gentiles being taught the Law of Moses.
Jesus never once before His death and ressurection preached this new testament gospel to the jews.
All Jesus told the Jews while He was living was,
Matthew 10:5-6,7
- These twelve Jesus sent forth and commanded them saying,
Go not into the way of the Gentiles and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not, BUT GO RATHER TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL
The good news Jesus taught is called the Law of Moses. Jesus Himself says He was not sent to Gentiles. He didn't send His disciples to Gentiles. And before He left, He sent His disciples to Hebrews living in Gentile lands living under Greek culture. That would be comparable to Mexicans of Mexican descent being bornin the United States and assimilating as Americans. Mexicans from Mexico have a bias against these people and don't see them as real Mexican. They're not even called "Mexican" but ""Pocho." Same with the Hebrews born in Gentile lands who
were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world.
But if they are Abraham's seed, then they are inheritors of the promises God gave to Abraham.
- and as ye go preach THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND

The prophecy of Joel does speak of gentiles Peter includes the gentiles in his first gospel sermon in Acts 2.

Acts 2:17,21
- and it shall come to pass that I will pour out My Spirit on ALL FLESH
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and it shall come to pass that whosoever(this word means everyone) calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved
The "all flesh" is in context to whom Joel is addressing:

1 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God:
For he hath given you the former rain moderately,
And he will cause to come down for you the rain,
The former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.
Joel 2:1

Who does Joel say is getting the former rain and NOW a latter rain? The children of Israel.
It's not hard to understand if you're honest with Scripture. But you've been indoctrinated with Gentile garbage and will contradict God's Word right to His face. That's how deep your infection goes.
Exactly Paul's words in Paul's gospel,
Romans 10:18,
- for EVERYONE who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved
Saul is quoting the Hebrew Scripture to Hebrews. More Gentile propaganda.
This great commission in Mark 16:15-16 and Matthew 28:19. Is for all nations for EVERY creature.
Jesus' baptism is the new baptism in His new gospel for jew and gentile.
That's because that's where God scattered His people. Were the cleansings under the Law ever for Gentiles to perform? This is an honest question. Let's see if you're honest with Scripture and will answer it.
Back to Peter in Acts chapter 2 where the new gospel of Christ was in force.

Acts 2:38-39,
- for the promise is to you(jews)
And to your children(Jews children)
And for  ALL who are afar off(gentiles were referred to as afar off by God)
As many as our Lord God will call
The Spirit was NEVER Promised to Gentiles, so either Peter is breaking and violating Scripture or your interpretation is in error.
(It's your interpretation that is a lie.)
You've been so deeply indoctrinated by Gentile theology that you'll post things that directly contradict Scripture, and it won't faze you.
Peter preached the gospel of Christ in Acts 2 and he included the gentiles being saved by this gospel which later he preached to Cornelius the first gentile convert.
Again, Peter is addressing the ten tribes of Israel and the two tribes of Judah. He is NOT addressing Gentiles. They wouldn't even be there for this Hebrew Feast.
Ephesians 2:13,
- but now Christ Jesus you once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ
Ephesians 2:11,
- remember that formerly you who are GENTILES BY BIRTH and called uncircumcised by those who call themselves the circumcision
Hebrews of mixed heritage who grew up in Gentile lands in Greek culture. How many Hebrews did not go with Nehemiah but stayed in Gentile lands in Greek culture being raised under its influence. How many generations grew up like this before Jesus? Eight generations? Nine?

They were Hebrews born in Gentile lands in Greek culture who
were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world.
But if they are Abraham's seed, then they are inheritors of the promises God gave to Abraham.
Yes, Peter's gospel and Paul's gospel are one in the same.
The great commission is the new testament gospel we are all under today.
Not under the law as Paul says in Galatians meaning the old covenant law of Moses that includes the baptism of John.
No one who wrote the New Covenant writings contradicted God and taught Gentiles are in the Abraham or Mosaic Covenants. It's YOUR INTERPRETATIONS that contradict Hebrew Scripture.
Galatians 6:2,
- Carry one another's burdens and so fullfill the law of Christ
The new testament law that includes the commandment of being baptized into the name of Christ.
The Law of Christ, or the Spirit, IS the Law of Moses. All he is doing is identifying who wrote the Law: Christ.
Acts 19:1-7,
- and Paul said unto them, into what were ye baptized
- so they said into John's baptism
- then Paul said John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come AFTER John that is on Christ
- When they heard this they were baptized IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS
Jews baptized/cleansed/washed as the Law of Moses dictated. Was Moses addressing Gentiles? Where is that in Scripture??
Both jew and gentile are baptized into the gospel of Christ that is for all nations.

So you are mistaken in accusing me of teaching error on Gods prophecies Sir.

There is one new testament gospel that Jesus proclaimed is for the whole world.
Yes, I am. Your interpretation breaks and contradicts the Hebrew Scripture, something Jesus said cannot be done and no amout of your hersy and breaking of Scripture will ever make your interpretations true for there are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in any of the three Hebrew covenants.

The Abraham Covenant is between God, Abram the Hebrew, and Abram's Hebrew seed.

The Mosaic Covenant is between God and Abraham's seed, a people known as the children of Israel.

The New Covenant is between God and the House of Israel and the House of Judah, the same groups of people Peter addressed when he opened his mouth in Acts 1.

There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in ANY of the three Hebrew Covenants. NONE.

But you've been for so very long indoctrinated by a Gentile theology that steps all over God's Word to force-teach that Gentiles are in the Hebrew covenants. God made no covenant with Gentiles. None. All you teach is a Gentile theology that rejects God's Word for "another gospel." And this has been going on for 1900 years since the destruction of the Jewish Temple ending the Second Temple era. With Jews killed and scattered Gentiles came in and stole their inheritance.

But think for a moment. If since the 10 % remnant returned to Israel in 522 BC meant that 90% Jews remained in Gentile lands living and influenced by Greek culture, then how many generations of Jews became mixed heritage, uncircumcised, unknowing of their Hebrew heritage, but because they are still Abraham's seed began to become born-again (the reason of the Jerusalem Council dealing with circumcising mixed heritage Jews who weren't circumcised) and more and more of mixed heritage Hebrews became born again, they could have easily escaped the Roman destruction of Israel in 70 AD to the scattering of the Jews with Roman laws never to return to Israel, and with the destruction of the Jewish Temple mixed heritage Hebrews came into majority, and with their ignorance of the Hebrew Scriptures and heavily influenced by Gentile, and Greek culture, took the reins of the Jewish Church and in their ignorance of Hebrew culture and their Law and Hebrew Scriptures, what would be their effect upon true, biblical Christianity of the bible? All they knew was Gentile and Greek in nature. How long before non-Hebrew Gentiles were told they could be saved? There's no Jews around to guide these mixed heritage ignorant Hebrews. But in time, true, biblical Christianity was unmoored from its Hebrew roots through ignorance.
That's exactly what happen and you are the children of that ignorance.
So, if you are truly born-again by the Holy Spirit of Promise I think you should "ancestry do come to see where and when a Hebrew parent came into your bloodline, or if you are Hebrew when and where a Gentile came into your family blood line, because from my reading of Scripture the covenants are between God and the children of Israel - NOT Gentiles.
 
Yes Jesus' earthly ministry absolutely was limited by the fact that He had not yet revealed His full gospel to save everyone the same way.

Jesus only preached of John's baptism to who?
Did John's baptism include Gentiles?
No, it did not. Not ever.
John 3:5,
- Jesus answered, verily I say unto you, except a man be born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God

John's baptism was still taking place in John chapter 3 and who was this baptism for? All nations? All flesh? Every creature?

Mark 1:5,
- and there went out unto him all the land of Judea(jews) and they of Jerusalem( jews) and were all baptized of John in the Jordan river confessing their sins

While Jesus was living His gospel was not fully revealed.
Simple proof is Jews were being saved by confessing their sins and believing on the one who comes after John.

The new testament gospel has belief in Jesus' DEATH, BURIAL AND RESSURECTION. Something NO ONE COULD BELIEVE WHILE JESUS WAS STILL ALIVE IN THE FLESH PREACHING ON EARTH.

1Corinthians 15:1-5,
- how that Christ died for our sins
That He was buried and that He rose again the third day
Jesus fulfilled the Law. The Law was given to the children of Israel.
What you are teaching is false Constantinain Gentile theology.
It's your interpretation of Hebrew Scripture that breaks and violates Scripture for there were no Gentiles under the Law. Here's proof:

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.
 
And WHO was and is JESUS the CHRIST .
Whose Words DID HE SPEAK , WHO WORKED THROUGH HIM .
Jesus taught the spirit of the Law to a people who only understood the letter of the Law. That was the main reason why the religious leaders could not grasp His teachings.
Jeremiah five , can you explain to me why we have us so many within christendom
who now try and behave and teach as though all religoins serve the same GOD we do .
What a lie that one is .
Here is another lie...that non-Hebrew Gentiles are in the Hebrew Covenants.
IF JESUS made it clear we must believe , IF THE FATHER HIMSELF testifies of the SON
Then why do so many testify of a false broad path love message which implies these other religoins
whom i KNOW DO NOT beleive JESUS to be the CHRIST , somehow know and love and serve the same GOD we do .
Cause the last time i checked , HE who beleives not the testimony GOD gave of HIS SON , Calls GOD a liar .
HE who hears us , IS OFGOD , he who hears us not IS NOT OF GOD . john wrote that too .
WHEN JESUS spoke , GOD SPOKE . so why do so very many reject HIM as the CHRIST
Because THEY ARE NOT OF GOD . No man , By the HOLY SPIRIT would call JESUS accursed . now would they .
Sheep hear HIS voice and not a stranger who preaches a false love .
Charity . I hear the word LOVE a lot these days . SO lets see what the agape LOVE OF GOD
does and what the love that is of the world Does not do .
CHARITY rejoices in THE TRUTH . LOVE REJOICES IN THE TRUTH . no lie is of the TRUTH . ITS JESUS PREACHING TIME again .
The original teaching on love was given to the children of Israel. Gentiles have taken everything God gave to Israel and made it apply to them. That's called inheritance theft.
 
And in these last times HAS SPOKEN THROUGH THE SON .
Yet it sure seems a lot of folks dont hear and believe HIM .
So lets do a fast recap .
Noah heard GOD and BELIEVED GOD thus OBEYED GOD .
many hear the gospel today and yet BELEIVE NOT and thus , THEY ARE NOT SAVED . They think they are , but are NOT .
And worse a lot of christendom now believes these false religons are somehow of GOD .
But that would be a lie and no lie is of THE TRUTH . HE who is of GOD hears us , HE who is NOT OF GOD does not hear us .
THE TRUE GOSPEL is the KEY .
And one more fast reminder , if the jesus we obey honors sins and other paths , WELL IT AINT JESUS THE CHRIST we serve or obey
thus ITS NOT COMING FROM GOD .
God's Word was given to God's covenant people. It's called the Hebrew Scripture of Law, Psalms, and Prophets.
The New Covenant writings (Matthew to Revelations) were written by Jewish Christians to and for Jews and other Jewish Christians. God has no covenant with Gentiles. None. Nor are Gentiles a part of any of the three Hebrew covenants.
 
John 12:42,
- Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Jesus but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they be put out of the synagogue

Their faith was alone, therefore could have no effect on God to impart Grace.
There's absolutly no evidence whatsoever that they had any FAITH at all. "Belief (mental assent) doesn't mean SPIT.
James 2:24,
- you see then that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone(faith without obedient works)
SImple!!! if you claim to have FAITH, but it produces NOTHING, then there never was any FAITH at all. That's James' message.
 
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