How To Understand : Acts 2:38

In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So, the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*
 
Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit

There is useless repentance, that has nothing to do with God's acceptance.. of a "sinner".

Its.>"turn from sin".

And you hear this worldwide, being taught by people who are teaching that turning from sin, is some sort of "my part i do first, so that God can then "..

And in fact... "God saved us while we were YET Sinners" and "Jesus came into the world to Save SINNERS".

Now the cults teach it this way.....>"God saved us once we agree to try to stop sinning for 15 seconds, (turn from sin)".. or they teach it as "God saves only the Elect, who have turned from Sin".

So, if you are the one im talking to, then you are in a mess, as you have been deceived.

Now, what is True REPENTANCE?

Its to TURN...from UNBELIEF.......to FAITH in Christ.

That is the ONLY Repentance, that God will ACCEPT from a SINNER.

Believe it.
 
There is useless repentance, that has nothing to do with God's acceptance.. of a "sinner".

Its.>"turn from sin".

And you hear this worldwide, being taught by people who are teaching that turning from sin, is some sort of "my part i do first, so that God can then "..

And in fact... "God saved us while we were YET Sinners" and "Jesus came into the world to Save SINNERS".

Now the cults teach it this way.....>"God saved us once we agree to try to stop sinning for 15 seconds, (turn from sin)".. or they teach it as "God saves only the Elect, who have turned from Sin".

So, if you are the one im talking to, then you are in a mess, as you have been deceived.

Now, what is True REPENTANCE?

Its to TURN...from UNBELIEF.......to FAITH in Christ.

That is the ONLY Repentance, that God will ACCEPT from a SINNER.

Believe it.
I am generally in agreement with you when I read your posts. Sometimes I can take a person's statement about a specific doctrine as being broader than they state. When you say repentance is to turn from unbelief to faith can I assume you are not saying it is only from unbelief but from all sin? Of course all sin is from unbief. Bless you in your studies.
 
@Behold
All that is well and good, but the gospel or good news was Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Redeemer, Deliverer, Messiah, Savior of the Jews, and King of the Jews, and His instruction and command to be obedient to the Law of Moses.
Being "doers of the Word (Law of Moses)" which James wrote to Christians that were scattered among Gentiles in Gentile lands (aka the twelve tribes - James 1:1) is true, biblical Christianity. Even Saul, after meeting Jesus and becoming born again continued in his life to being obedient to the Law of Moses. You cannot dissect being obedient to the Law of Moses and being obedient to the commands of Christ from BIBLICAL Christianity. When you do then you've created a new religion, one devoid of Christ (which is what Gentiles have done after the destruction of the Second Jewish Temple in AD 70.

Jesus said, "IF you love me obey my commandments" and His commandments is the Law of Moses.
Do you love Jesus Christ and show that love by being obedient to the Law of Moses which first century Christians did?
Or do you follow a Gentile religion unmoored from true, biblical Christianity built upon Hebrew roots?
 
Reader,

There are some who teach that the "Gospel" is : Acts 2:38.

Now, if you are familiar with Christianity, then you know that everyone is invited to become a Christian......Jews, Gentiles,.........
>"The World"... = John 3:16.

So, one of the things we find out about the NT, is... = if an Apostle does not know something then they can't teach it until they know it.

And Peter, who was the Act 2:38 preacher, did not understand the Gospel of the Grace of God, until Acts 15. = Not until He was taught it by Paul.

Now, How is all that relevant to Paul? and Acts 2:38

Its like this reader, ... Many people and denominations consider Acts 2:38 as the Gospel... and these people are very strong proponents for "Water baptism"..
In Fact they are so into the water aspect that they read that "Noah was saved by water" and can't understand that Had NOAH and Family gotten out of that ARK, then Noah and Family, would have DIED in that FLOOD WATER JUDGEMENT.

See, it was the ARK that kept them OUT of the WATER, is why they LIVED.., as that wooden ARK is not just their Salvation from that water, but its symbolic of the Cross of Christ that was WOOD, (A TREE) , and Christ on it, is our ARK .
How?
Christ on that WOOD, takes the Judgement for our sin, just as Noah's Ark saved Noah and Family from the WATER that was God's Judgment.

Now let me show you a few things..

First, Peter was not water baptized in Acts 2:38. and you can read it for yourself.
So, we could stop right there, as that proves that WATER is not going to save anything, when the very person who is telling those JEWS to get in the water, was not himself water baptized that day.
But lets continue, as some of you, are waking up, and some of you are learning something you need to know.

= NONE in the "upper room" were water baptized in Acts 2:38, and you can read it for yourself.
And Peter and those same were speaking with tongues, yet none were water baptized., in Acts 2:38

Water Baptism, began before Jesus showed up, Reader.
Its a big part of the Jewish OT Situation, and you've read that John The Baptist.. (John the Water Baptizer) was baptizing Jews long before Jesus showed up, and this saved NONE of them.. It washed NONE of their sin away.
So, when The JEW = PETER........ was preaching in Acts 2:38, He preached all he knew, and that was for that day, but it is not for now, regarding water being necessary as a part of the process of God's Redemption.
it wasn't a part of it on that day... or Peter would have gotten water baptized and those in the upper room also..

See that?

So why did Peter Preach it? = Its because its ALL HE KNEW at that time., as at that time if you were a Jew, you repented and John the water Baptizer dunked you... it was a part of the law, and Jesus did it because as He said.>>"Let us fulfill all things".. all things related to the law, as Jesus was born under the Law.

ENTER... Paul the Apostle, who was sent to preach .. ""The preaching of the Cross is the power of God unto salvation, for everyone who Believes"".

And notice this verse.. ."Its pleased GOD by the foolishness of PREACHING.. to SAVE THOSE... who BELIEVE"... (not get in the water).

And "Save those who believe what"?

A.) Paul's gospel...>"The Gospel of the GRACE OF GOD" that is the "preaching of the Cross of Christ".

Now how do you know that Peter didnt know anything about the "Gospel of the Grace of God in Acts 2"?

Its because Peter didnt know that Gentiles could be saved, until 10 yrs after Jesus is back in Heaven.
So, if you dont KNOW that Jews and Gentiles can both be saved, then you dont understand God's Salvation, according to how PAUL was sent to teach it, by Revelation from JESUS Himself.

Read Acts of the Apostles... Chapter 10, written a decade after Jesus is back in Heaven., and discover that Peter didnt know that Gentiles could be saved... YET.. SO....= God had to give Peter a vision, to cause Him to UNDERSTAND this about Gentiles.
So, You can't preach the true Gospel, that includes GENTILES being saved.... if you dont yet know it.
And that is why Acts 2:38, is NOT The Gospel.

And here is one more.
Paul said...>"Christ sent me NOT to water baptize"........and that does not mean that we are not to be water baptized.
I was water baptized 11 yrs after i was born again. I was water baptized, about 5 yrs after i was called into the Ministry by the Holy Spirit.

See reader to understand the TRUE Gospel..... in "the time of the Gentiles".. and we are in it....
It means that the correct understanding of the process of Redemption, is not about water....its about the BLOOD OF JESUS and the CROSS of Christ and Faith that is counted by God as "righteousness", and water has no part in that, at all.

It was in Acts 15, that Peter learned what Paul knew, that Paul learned from Jesus, and from that point, all the Apostles understood "Paul's Gospel of the Grace of God" that is not related to water baptism.
3000 individuals obeyed Peter in Acts chapter 2, and we’re baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins. They ask Peter “what shall we do”?. So what are you doing? What shall you do? Something different or the same as Peter commanded?
 
3000 individuals obeyed Peter in Acts chapter 2, and we’re baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins.

They were baptized after they believed.

Whereas Peter and those in the Upper Room, received the "Gift of the Spirit", and were not water baptized.
 
They were baptized after they believed.

Whereas Peter and those in the Upper Room, received the "Gift of the Spirit", and were not water baptized.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. I think you’re reading Acts 2:38 backwards. Do you think that Peter said he that believeth for the remission of sins shall be baptized? That’s Bible back masking.
 
They were baptized after they believed.

Whereas Peter and those in the Upper Room, received the "Gift of the Spirit", and were not water baptized.
John 14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.

I see here the two ideas of WITH and IN.
At the time Jesus was speaking, the Spirit was with them, but in the future He would be in them. THis is indicative of all Old Testament with faith compared to New Testament believers startng at Pentecost. The Sprirt was at this point in history with the disciples but at Pentecost He would be in them (indwell)
 
John 14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.

I see here the two ideas of WITH and IN.
At the time Jesus was speaking, the Spirit was with them, but in the future He would be in them. THis is indicative of all Old Testament with faith compared to New Testament believers startng at Pentecost. The Sprirt was at this point in history with the disciples but at Pentecost He would be in them (indwell)
Thank you for bringing that out.
 
Reader,

There are some who teach that the "Gospel" is : Acts 2:38.
The gospel is found in most all stories by the writers documenting good news between God and His people. Examples are Hannah learning she was being granted favor for her prayer to bear a child. This was good news for her. Abraham being given a covenant of favor, blessing, and salvation along with these things extended to his descendants. This was good news for him and his descendants. Another is of Mary being chosen "among women" to bear the Promised One. This was good news to her in that all knowledgeable women desired to be the one to fulfill prophecy and bring the LORD'S Anointed into this world. Elizabeth, who was baren, was told she would have a child of an extraordinary future. Having children was seen by the Hebrews as God's favor and blessing. Good news from God to His people, individually and corporately, can be found in many, many stories in the biblical narrative.
Now, if you are familiar with Christianity, then you know that everyone is invited to become a Christian......Jews, Gentiles,.........
>"The World"... = John 3:16.
Not true. Christ's coming was the fulfillment of the Mosaic Covenant. Under the Mosaic Covenant especially the Ceremonial Law sacrificing animals was instructed by God for the temporary and yearly atonement for the sins of the children of Israel, and being that Scripture cannot be broken (changed, added to, subtracted from), Christ's coming as the prophesied lamb of God (Isaiah 53) was in keeping with the purpose of God towards His covenant people to atone for their sins finally and eternally. To claim God is adding or changing the Mosaic Law to accommodate uncircumcised, non-covenant, non-Hebrew Gentiles is violation of God's established word towards His covenant people and any interpretation that says anyone other than God's covenant people are atoned for under God's economy of salvation is to be rejected. Words like "world" and "all" and "everyone" is now included in any of the three salvation Hebrew covenants is not rightly interpreting God's Word. There is no covenant between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles anywhere in the pages of the bible. In the case of John 3:16 where "world" is found the word is in context to whom Jesus is speaking of and to and they are "His people" the Jews, exactly the people He came to save, hence the giving of His name for His parents to name which means "the Lord is salvation."

The Scripture (Genesis to Malachi (39 "books") documents God's dealing directly with the Hebrew people born from Abraham the father of the Hebrew people and documents their history, their covenants, their blessings, their curses for disobedience, their victories and defeats, their culture, their religion, important people in their history, and other things particular to the Hebrew people and it would violate God's Word that interpretation of New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation is any difference. The gospels, the letters, the prophecy of Revelation only continues God's involvement into Hebrew life and brings conclusion to His eternal counsel concerning saving a people to Himself, a people brought together and eternally through each covenant, individually (Davidic) or corporately, between Him and the Hebrew/Jewish people.
So, one of the things we find out about the NT, is... = if an Apostle does not know something then they can't teach it until they know it.
Everything we have in found scrolls that became the New Testament is only discussion, explanation, and revelation of the New Covenant era the Jews found themselves in with the Advent of Israel's Messiah, Savior, and King as well as the acts of the Holy Spirit towards and upon the Hebrew people since their arrival on the "world" scene. If anything in the New Covenant writings cannot be found or supported by the Hebrew Scriptures, then those things are false. God has covenant with Abraham specifically, and with His descendants (seed) in general, throughout human history and His revelation towards the Hebrew people is found in those writings.
And Peter, who was the Act 2:38 preacher, did not understand the Gospel of the Grace of God, until Acts 15. = Not until He was taught it by Paul.
Peter did indeed understand the "gospel" as Acts clearly shows. It wasn't necessary for Peter to learn from Saul. Peter himself along with John and James were pillars of the Jewish Church and had excellent grasp of Jesus' teachings and from the Hebrew writings on the prophecies of Messiah and King of Israel without Saul's input. Jesus said that the Holy Spirit (Comforter) would bring to remembrance His teachings at the appropriate time and Peter had the support of the other two apostles to the Jews James and John whose teachings were in compliance to the Law of Moses and was more than enough to forward God's plan and purpose to and for the Jews.
Now, How is all that relevant to Paul? and Acts 2:38

Its like this reader, ... Many people and denominations consider Acts 2:38 as the Gospel... and these people are very strong proponents for "Water baptism"..
In Fact they are so into the water aspect that they read that "Noah was saved by water" and can't understand that Had NOAH and Family gotten out of that ARK, then Noah and Family, would have DIED in that FLOOD WATER JUDGEMENT.
Acts doesn't mention Noah, or the flood and the baptism Peter was speaking of was Spirit baptism. The Advent of the Holy Spirit was gospel enough for his hearers as they were "pricked" at their "hearts" and responded favorably to Peter's admonition to "save themselves from this untoward generation." Peter, speaking to the twelve tribes represented in the crowd presented accurately God's message through the prophets and from Jesus so efficiently that 3000 Jews were born again and delivered from their sinful lives in Holy Spirit fashion. The next day of the feast thousands more came to know their Savior through the acts of the Holy Spirit.
See, it was the ARK that kept them OUT of the WATER, is why they LIVED.., as that wooden ARK is not just their Salvation from that water, but its symbolic of the Cross of Christ that was WOOD, (A TREE) , and Christ on it, is our ARK .
How?
Christ on that WOOD, takes the Judgement for our sin, just as Noah's Ark saved Noah and Family from the WATER that was God's Judgment.
To the Jews their Messiah and King dying on a wooden tree was a stumbling stone they had to reconcile correctly before being born again and it's a sure bet the Holy Spirit Himself helped them see its correlation of Moses' serpent on a wooden pole and Jesus on His cross, even though it says nothing about that in Peter's sermon.
Now let me show you a few things..

First, Peter was not water baptized in Acts 2:38. and you can read it for yourself.
So, we could stop right there, as that proves that WATER is not going to save anything, when the very person who is telling those JEWS to get in the water, was not himself water baptized that day.
But lets continue, as some of you, are waking up, and some of you are learning something you need to know.
Peter's water baptism is found in John 13 in Jesus' washing of the disciples' feet.
= NONE in the "upper room" were water baptized in Acts 2:38, and you can read it for yourself.
And Peter and those same were speaking with tongues, yet none were water baptized., in Acts 2:38
10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean,
Jn 13:10.
Water Baptism, began before Jesus showed up, Reader.
Its a big part of the Jewish OT Situation, and you've read that John The Baptist.. (John the Water Baptizer) was baptizing Jews long before Jesus showed up, and this saved NONE of them.. It washed NONE of their sin away.
So, when The JEW = PETER........ was preaching in Acts 2:38, He preached all he knew, and that was for that day, but it is not for now, regarding water being necessary as a part of the process of God's Redemption.
it wasn't a part of it on that day... or Peter would have gotten water baptized and those in the upper room also..
See that?
10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean,
Jn 13:9–10.

Jesus washed the disciples' feet and in this washing were made clean. In Jesus' Presence this washing was preparation for the Holy Spirit who would wash their conscience and in doing so would baptize them into the body of Christ.
So why did Peter Preach it? = Its because its ALL HE KNEW at that time., as at that time if you were a Jew, you repented and John the water Baptizer dunked you... it was a part of the law, and Jesus did it because as He said.>>"Let us fulfill all things".. all things related to the law, as Jesus was born under the Law.
Not only that, but He was born of a woman to redeem those under the Law, meaning the children of Israel the Jews.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we [Jews] might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.
ENTER... Paul the Apostle, who was sent to preach .. ""The preaching of the Cross is the power of God unto salvation, for everyone who Believes"".
And notice this verse.. ."Its pleased GOD by the foolishness of PREACHING.. to SAVE THOSE... who BELIEVE"... (not get in the water).
And "Save those who believe what"?
A.) Paul's gospel...>"The Gospel of the GRACE OF GOD" that is the "preaching of the Cross of Christ".
Now how do you know that Peter didnt know anything about the "Gospel of the Grace of God in Acts 2"?
Not true. The whole basis of Peter's sermon to the Jews was in keeping with prophecy and the grace of God. Peter mentions Joel and David and expounds upon their prophecies given to the children of Israel. The good news (gospel) of the grace of God is clearly revealed in Peter's words.

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38.

The gift of the Holy Spirit Promised to Israel is an unmerited favor (gift/grace) from God, not only to them but also to their children.
Its because Peter didnt know that Gentiles could be saved, until 10 yrs after Jesus is back in Heaven.
So, if you dont KNOW that Jews and Gentiles can both be saved, then you dont understand God's Salvation, according to how PAUL was sent to teach it, by Revelation from JESUS Himself.
The revelation Saul received was by studying the Hebrew Scriptures which foretold the things which he writes about. Reading and studying the Hebrew writings under the anointing was enough for the Holy Spirit to bring him to understand those things he was later to write about in his letters to the Jews and to his Jewish Christian brethren. We receive the same understanding when we do the same thing in our reading and studying of both Testaments. Jesus the Person did not leave the right hand of God and return to earth to personally teach Saul. Jesus did all that through the Holy Spirit. The only Gentiles that could be saved and were saved were even those who were of mixed birth like the Samaritans were of mixed heritage having at least one Hebrew parent in their ancestry which still left them - no matter the DNA dilution - the seed of Abraham. God has covenant with Abraham and his seed and as long as a person had Gentile (non-Hebrew) ancestry in their family line they were still Abraham's seed and "heirs according to the Promise" (Gal. 3:29.) No non-Hebrew Gentiles were saved because God never made a salvation covenant with them as He did with the Hebrews through Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13) on down to Noah. There have always been two groups of people on the planet. The seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman. Obedient (Sethian family aka "the sons of God") and the disobedient (the seed of the serpent - those that remained with Nimrod and his clan.
Read Acts of the Apostles... Chapter 10, written a decade after Jesus is back in Heaven., and discover that Peter didnt know that Gentiles could be saved... YET.. SO....= God had to give Peter a vision, to cause Him to UNDERSTAND this about Gentiles.
So, You can't preach the true Gospel, that includes GENTILES being saved.... if you dont yet know it.
And that is why Acts 2:38, is NOT The Gospel.
Acts 2:38 is gospel (good news) especially when the people being reminded of the Promise of the Holy Spirit upon the people of God, the children of Israel. Being given without merit (grace) the Holy Spirit fulfills several prophecies of His coming. Ezekial is one who prophesied the Holy Spirit being given to God's Chosen people.
And here is one more.
Paul said...>"Christ sent me NOT to water baptize"........and that does not mean that we are not to be water baptized.
I was water baptized 11 yrs after i was born again. I was water baptized, about 5 yrs after i was called into the Ministry by the Holy Spirit.
Anyone truly called to minister to the Lord will most definitely recognize Acts, especially Acts 2:38, is gospel of the grace of God to and for the children of Israel. Why you reject this truth is astounding.
See reader to understand the TRUE Gospel..... in "the time of the Gentiles".. and we are in it....
It means that the correct understanding of the process of Redemption, is not about water....its about the BLOOD OF JESUS and the CROSS of Christ and Faith that is counted by God as "righteousness", and water has no part in that, at all.
Water has very important meaning in God's plan for His Chosen people. One of those important matters is that we are washed by the water by the Word. Water in the bible holds great meaning to God and to the Jews. The Hebrews being led through the Red sea is a mention by Saul in his Corinthian letter that speaks of washing and sanctification, whether by actual water, symbolized water, or the Holy Spirit Himself cleansing our conscience.
It was in Acts 15, that Peter learned what Paul knew, that Paul learned from Jesus, and from that point, all the Apostles understood "Paul's Gospel of the Grace of God" that is not related to water baptism.
Again, what Saul learned was learned through reading and studying the Hebrew Scriptures Genesis to Malachi under the anointing, the same method we use today, and the same method God uses to instruct His Chosen people. All of Saul's letters to Jews and Jewish Christians was knowledge he gained through this method. Jesus did not leave His Father to personally teach Saul. It was through His Spirit under the anointing that Saul understood what he read. And what he read was shared through his letters in order for his fellow brethren who read those letters to understand the New Covenant era the Hebrew people found themselves in. God, indeed, was doing a new thing in the earth and the New Covenant was only the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Christ and sealed with His blood on the last Passover He observed and one in which the New Covenant is built upon and founded.
 
The gospel is found in most all stories by the writers documenting good news between God and His people.

I appreciate all the cut and paste.
Did you ever consider trying to think for yourself, and post what YOU know, vs, "cut and paste", by other writers? @jeremiah1five .

So, let me show you something, and then you can return to your cut and paste obsession.

Paul said... that HIS Gospel, was given to Him by JESUS.... and not by any 'man".
This is why Paul refers to His Gospel "of the Grace of God", as "MY Gospel".. and He said this 3x.

Paul's Gospel, is "the Preaching of the Cross is the Power of God, unto Salvation, for all who Believe".

That is not Acts 2:38, where the Jews were told by Peter that they had slain their Messiah, and they said, "what must WE DO".

And Peter said...>>>"repent (of killing your Messiah) and be water baptized".

See that? That is not the Gospel, that is not Paul's Gospel, and its not ANY Gospel.
 
I appreciate all the cut and paste.
Did you ever consider trying to think for yourself, and post what YOU know, vs, "cut and paste", by other writers? @jeremiah1five .
What cut and paste are you referring?
Outside of Scripture all my comments are my own.
So, let me show you something, and then you can return to your cut and paste obsession.

Paul said... that HIS Gospel, was given to Him by JESUS.... and not by any 'man".
This is why Paul refers to His Gospel "of the Grace of God", as "MY Gospel".. and He said this 3x.
And can you post the Scripture to support that? Where does He say Jesus, Himself taught him anything?
Paul's Gospel, is "the Preaching of the Cross is the Power of God, unto Salvation, for all who Believe".

That is not Acts 2:38, where the Jews were told by Peter that they had slain their Messiah, and they said, "what must WE DO".

And Peter said...>>>"repent (of killing your Messiah) and be water baptized".
The people did not crucify Jesus. The Romans crucified Him. Some Jews may have been carried away by the religious leader's insistence against Jesus after their condemning Jesus, but some of the key religious leaders were the ones complicit in Jesus' crucifixion, but the method is solely a Roman act. Saul may have also been one to call for His death being an active persecutor and murderer of Jesus' disciples. Stoning is the method of execution under the Mosaic Law. Jesus wasn't stoned. And the majority of living Jews at the time did not know what was taking place in Jerusalem the night of Jesus crucifixion. 80-90% of the Jews living throughout the Roman empire and in places beyond did not know about Jesus since the Lord never left the vicinity of Jewish borders. This was the main reason why Jesus sent His disciples to the lost sheep of the House of Israel at least once, and later before His ascension sent them into Gentile lands to the four cardinal points of the compass because that's where the majority of Jews lived and they needed to know one thing: Israel's Messiah had come and God has kept His Promise.

At Pentecost (the Jewish Feast of Harvest) the Lord gave the eleven disciples seventeen tongues that heralded the wonderful works of God to a Jewish audience that came to Jerusalem for the feast because Jews came to Jerusalem from those locations where these languages were spoken in Gentile lands. And when the Feast was over there were at least 3000 Jewish Christians that were born again along with thousands and thousands of Jews that weren't born again which took with them an outline of Peter's sermon, their experience and witness of the Holy Spirit's Presence and effect upon the people back with them to their homes and synagogues in the Gentile lands they came from, so that in time those letters by Saul and Peter and James were sent to cities whose churches were founded by the Jewish Christians that went to Jerusalem that day the Holy Spirit arrived in accordance to God's Promises and according to their covenant. It took from seventeen to twenty years from Pentecost to Saul's first journeys which was a good deal of time
for these home churches to be founded after the Jewish persecution of Jewish Christians and their excommunication from their synagogues because they stumbled at the stumbling stone and could not reconcile their professed and confessed Lord and King died on a tree outside of Jerusalem in 32 AD.
See that? That is not the Gospel, that is not Paul's Gospel, and its not ANY Gospel.
Acts is a good news historical as good as any private interpretation of any of the Lord's servants whether they were apostles or prophets or simply a member of society that was born again. Peter's good news and James' good news and John's good news was just as good as any of the good news in the Hebrew Scriptures. If the eleven disciples were speaking tongues and speaking of the wonderous works of God as identified by those that heard them on the street, I'm sure there was good news in those testimonies as well.

8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. Acts 2:8–11.

Those that heard and understood the good news coming out of the eleven disciples' mouths were now witness to that and what was to follow and what followed was the Presence of God through the Holy Spirit in men and the good news of His words coming out of their mouths.
 
While there's no direct account of his baptism, it's generally assumed that he, like many of Jesus' disciples, would have been baptized by John the Baptist. This was a common practice among Jews at the time as a symbol of repentance and preparation for the coming Messiah.
 
While there's no direct account of his baptism, it's generally assumed that he, like many of Jesus' disciples, would have been baptized by John the Baptist.

Its assumed by someone like you.

Here is the reality..

In John 20:22, all the Apostles other then Judas, received the Holy Spirit, (Before Acts 2).... and none of them "spoke with other tongues", and none of them were water baptized.

So, that Ends any Cults teaching that says, "water is required for receiving salvation and the spirit of God"... and it eliminated all cults who teach that water baptism is connected to "speaking in tongues" or with the "infilling of the spirit".

See that?
I just eliminated your Cult's teaching, but that wont stop you from being deceived. @jeremiah1five .

Here is a clue regarding leaving deception.

its PRIDE that ties you to it... the pride of..>"Im right"....when in fact you're deceived.
So, that is why most people, stay in Cults.

For example... In Act 2:38... Peter says......>>>"you've slain your messiah,".. and the Jews say.."what must we do"..

And Peter says....>"Repent and be Baptized".........exactly like JOHN THE BAPTIST would have told them...

So you see 2 things..

One.... "you killed your Messiah", and "what must we do about that"......>Is NOT THE GOSPEL..

Yet, cultists, heretics, and similar, will YELL that Acts 2:38 is "the Gospel".

A.) = Its not, unless you are asking Peter what to do about killing your Messiah..

Maybe you did, but i kinda doubt it...........and even so. that is NOT THE GOSPEL.

The Gospel comes from PAUL...

"Its the PREACHING OF THE CROSS"........its the "Gospel of the GRACE of God".... its "the Power of God unto Salvation, .. that is the Preaching of the Cross, to all who Will Believe"....
 
Its assumed by someone like you.

Here is the reality..

In John 20:22, all the Apostles other then Judas, received the Holy Spirit, (Before Acts 2).... and none of them "spoke with other tongues", and none of them were water baptized.

So, that Ends any Cults teaching that says, "water is required for receiving salvation and the spirit of God"... and it eliminated all cults who teach that water baptism is connected to "speaking in tongues" or with the "infilling of the spirit".
I never said water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Also, you are presuming/guessing they were not water baptized? You just may be wrong. But then again, as observant Jews they would have been water baptized because John the Baptist toured before Jesus and there is more extenuating circumstance based upon their knowing about John's baptism because of several things but one was that his brother, Andrew, was John's disciple. So, Andrew and Philip knew John before they met up with Jesus.
See that?
I just eliminated your Cult's teaching, but that wont stop you from being deceived. @jeremiah1five .
Here is a clue regarding leaving deception.
its PRIDE that ties you to it... the pride of..>"Im right"....when in fact you're deceived.
So, that is why most people, stay in Cults.
You must have me mixed up with someone else, but no, I never said water baptism is necessary for salvation or is salvation. So, suck it up, and get it together over there. Jumping to conclusions can show you're too emotional for this forum.
For example... In Act 2:38... Peter says......>>>"you've slain your messiah,".. and the Jews say.."what must we do"..
And Peter says....>"Repent and be Baptized".........exactly like JOHN THE BAPTIST would have told them...
So you see 2 things..
One.... "you killed your Messiah", and "what must we do about that"......>Is NOT THE GOSPEL..
Yet, cultists, heretics, and similar, will YELL that Acts 2:38 is "the Gospel".
Actually, Acts 2:38 IS the gospel for it is the good news that the Holy Spirit of Promise prophesied by Joel has come as promised to Israel by God. Here's the other part of the good news of the Spirit's advent. It completes the sentence and thought of Peter:

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Acts 2:38–39.

The Promise of God's Spirit being poured out upon the Hebrews is good news and fulfills another promise by God.
There is also good news that there is repentance offered to the Hebrew people. Being cleansed (baptized) is also good news. Especially when joined to remission of their sins. That is good news. Not only that but the Spirit is promised and offered to ALL the Hebrew people, there in Jerusalem, locally in all of Israel, and to Hebrews who live in Gentile lands. All of Acts 2:38-39 is the best good news Istrael has had in a long time especially since it comes associated with a coming Messiah which was the reason why John baptized his people. It was to prepare the people of Messiah's arrival.
A.) = Its not, unless you are asking Peter what to do about killing your Messiah..
Maybe you did, but i kinda doubt it...........and even so. that is NOT THE GOSPEL.
Josephus records at least six individuals who had risen up recently in Israel claiming to be the Messiah. Each one was tested to see if they fulfilled prophecy by their prophets in how to identify the true Messiah. It took time and more prophecies were fulfilled in Jesus last week before His death than at any other time in His life.

And one more thing...Peter may not have been accurate in blaming ALL Israel. At least 90% of all Hebrews living at the time lived in Gentile lands and never knew about Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus never travelled outside of Israel. And when He was crucified, He died outside of Jerusalem, and it all occurred in a matter of hours as trial was held overnight after His arrest around midnight. Maybe around 2a.m. Once Jesus was arrested things moved very swiftly that by the time the sun arose, He was getting carted off to Pilate, to Herod Antipas, back to Pilate all before being crucified at the sixth hour (noon.) So, not all of Israel was represented in and outside of Jerusalem.

The reason why Jesus instructed His disciples to when on Mount of Olives before He ascended to go to Jerusalem, Samaria, Judaea, and eastward was to take the message to that 90% of Hebrews living in Gentile lands that their Messiah had come, and that God had kept His Promise. It was on the day of the Feast of Harvest the Holy Spirit arrived and birthed three thousand Jews into the body of Christ and it was these people visiting Jerusalem for this Feast that returned to their homes and synagogues with the gospel good news message of their experiences, an outline of Peter's sermon, and testimony of Jesus as Israel's Kinsman-Redeemer and King. The good news gospel went out and was preached by the common folk, not the disciples. By the time Stephen was murdered by Saul and persecution broke out the disciples were still in Jerusalem and not even persecution could get them off their arses and do what Jesus commanded.
The Gospel comes from PAUL...
He was only one of thousands who shared the good news of their conversion and their experiences with the Holy Spirit. The good news gospel was taken out by hundreds and thousands of new Jewish Christians that became born-again all over the Roman Empire - especially in Israel.
"Its the PREACHING OF THE CROSS"........its the "Gospel of the GRACE of God".... its "the Power of God unto Salvation, .. that is the Preaching of the Cross, to all who Will Believe"....
That's only one aspect of the good news of the advent of both Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Saul didn't get his act together for about 14-17 years after he was born-again. And already nearly two decades had passed before he was taken by Barnabas to Antioch to pastor the fellowship there in that city.
The Lord Jesus did not rely on only eleven disciples or Saul. The good news gospel spread like wildfire, and it spread by Jews sharing with Jews this Holy Spirit that invaded their lives and their witness of when Jesus was touring for those three years. They were in the crowds when Jesus taught, healed, performed miracles, and everything else Jesus did when He began to teach and preach repentance to the people after John was arrested.
So, let's not get all wrapped up on Saul. He was merely one cog in the wheel within a wheel of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit of Truth.
 
The Promise of God's Spirit being poured out upon the Hebrews is good news and fulfills another promise by God.
There is also good news that there is repentance offered to the Hebrew people. Being cleansed (baptized) is also good news. Especially when joined to remission of their sins. That is good news. Not only that but the Spirit is promised and offered to ALL the Hebrew people, there in Jerusalem, locally in all of Israel, and to Hebrews who live in Gentile lands. All of Acts 2:38-39 is the best good news Istrael has had in a long time especially since it comes associated with a coming Messiah which was the reason why John baptized his people. It was to prepare the people of Messiah's arrival.
Which the gentiles also received

Acts 10:45–48 (KJV 1900) — 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 11:15–18 (KJV 1900) — 15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. 16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? 18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Acts 15:7–9 (KJV 1900) — 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
 
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