To know, to believe true a falsehood is an errorSo God cannot know what is not true?Why not? So you know a married bachelor is not a true statement but God cannot?
Time in heaven
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Which your God could do since He is uncertain of will happen in the future
civic
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Yes God was free to create or not create.
First fated is your word not mine
second the scripture you ignored
John 10:17–18 (KJV 1900) — 17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Third God created freely. he was not fated to create
Fourth you don't know what you are talking about
civic
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I won't count on it.
No such thing from God's perspective. God is omniscient. Your trying hard I will give you that.
All determined correct? It's your Open Theist side that has explaining to do if determinism is fatalism. If so, the cross was fated and Christ's choice was fated. His choice was of no consequence.
Determinism is fatalism. Your words, not mine.
If so, the cross was Christ's fate and His choice was of no consequence. He would have died on the cross either way.
Did He determine He would create? Then it's fated. God had no choice. Fate forced His hand.
I don't know what I'm talking about? LOL Look at the mess you have created for yourself. Your a mess
Really? Captain obvious. How profound. Yet you keep doing it. Strange
Did you finally understand God cannot know as truth what is not true
You continue ignoring the verse
John 10:17–18 (KJV 1900) — 17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Then you conflate the idea of God determining to do something with determinism showing you really do not understand what you are talking about.
If anyone desires to see a mess, you are the poster boy for providing it
Who would argue with that? LOL Your on a roll.
I didn't ignore the verse. To the verse I say amen. Unfortunately for you if determinism is fatalism then the cross was fate and Christ's choices were irrelevant. Your silly claim is what in question concerning the text.
Sorry, you beg the question of what it means to be omniscient
Why did God have an expatiation of good grapes?
Isaiah 5:1–2 (NASB 2020) — 1 Let me sing now for my beloved A song of my beloved about His vineyard. My beloved had a vineyard on a fertile hill. 2 He dug it all around, cleared it of stones, And planted it with the choicest vine. And He built a tower in the middle of it, And also carved out a wine vat in it; Then He expected it to produce good grapes, But it produced only worthless ones.
Omniscience, "the state of knowing all there is to know". Square that with your understanding of Isaiah 5.
I can expect my kids to get all A's and even demand it if them. Yet I know C's are the best they can do.
You did even worse
You claimed Christ had no choice in the matter; denying the verse.
You continue to do so, however Christ was not determined and you are equivocating and misusing the concept of determinism.
Determinism
Determinism is a philosophical theory that all events, including moral choices, are completely determined by previously existing causes12. It is usually understood to preclude free will because it entails that humans cannot act otherwise than they do1.
No, you do. Determinism is fatalism remember? The cross was determined so it's fate. Christ is a victim of fate.
He was not determined to go to the cross? It was a spur of the moment thing? LOL Acts 4 says otherwise. Those in Acts 4 also were victims of fate according to you. Judas, Herod had no choice. It was their fate.
