civic
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Deflecting and projecting again
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Still on vacationDeflecting and projecting again
civic
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On the brighter side I just got invited to a golf tournament on my new job with the 2 owners for October
Don't beat them. Your new job will be your old job.On the brighter side I just got invited to a golf tournament on my new job with the 2 owners for October
civic
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it will be a best ball tournament.Don't beat them. Your new job will be your old job.
praise_yeshua
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Deflecting and projecting again
Omniscience comes from late Latin sensibilities. Omniscience is English word from Latin that was formed from multiple Greek source that was never used relative to all knowledge.
Thusly, there is no manuscript support whatsoever for the term.
Ask a Jew about the historical teaching of "omniscient" in Judaism. They will tell you that the best historical evidence points to the fact that God knows everything that is going on right now. Nothing more.
civic
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Thanks I was not aware of those facts- good to know. As I Iike to say these days- I'm Reformed meaning always examining what I believe and reforming those beliefs to line up with Scripture.
praise_yeshua
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Thanks I was not aware of those facts- good to know. As I Iike to say these days- I'm Reformed meaning always examining what I believe and reforming those beliefs to line up with Scripture.
παντοκράτωρ (Almighty) and γνῶσις (knowledge) combined somewhere along the line to "blur" the lines between Omnipotence and Omniscience.
Some have argued that "παντοκράτωρ" (Almighty) implies Omniscience since there are no absolute of explaining how Latin is the primary source.
Where there is "γνῶσις"..... it will vanish away. Love demands forgetfulness.
I'm not a fatalist but there is no doubt you have embraced Open Theism and now reject historical Christianity.
You are a fatalist and should embrace what you are
You however cannot prove your view from the bible which instead teaches God thinks, God plans, God changes his mind based upon changes in man.
God does not determine your sin so that fatalistically you can do no other.
Your a Open Theist and should embrace what are. Mrs. "the future is open".
Just as, according to you, Christ was fated to go to the cross. His choice was irrelevant. He did not choose to die for you, it was His fate. YIKES
So was the Holocaust determined to occur or did God simply allow it to occur?
And you are a fatalist. All you ever did and will do was determined before you were ever born and you cannot change a single thing.
That is fatalism
Further you conflate your view with mine
My view and Scripture affirm Christ of his own free will laid down his life
John 10:17–18 (KJV 1900) — 17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
So it is either ignorance or deception to claim my view is that Christ had no choise
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No definition of omniscience requires God to know what is not Alethically true
Nope. My choices are part of what is determined. Not so in fatalism.
Nope. You said determined equals fatalism. The cross was determined and therefore involves fate. Christ's choice made no difference. It was inconsequential.
You said determinism and fatalism are synonymous terms. Which would also mean creation itself is fate. God had no choice. Yikes. You make it to easy.
He is trying to avoid defending his fatalismI watched a great video with a review of a James White debate where he denied being a determinist/fatalist and called himself a decreeist. Looking up the LBC and WCF definitions of Gods decree its obvious it means determinist/fatalist. Talk about De Nile. Seems to be what @Presby02 is doing as well.
They redefine words and have their own self made dictionaries and definitions rofl.
Tom is trying to avoid her Open Theism. "The future is open"
So God cannot know what is not true?
Why not? So you know a married bachelor is not a true statement but God cannot?Sorry that is the classic definition of fatalism and the dictionary stated so.Nope. My choices are part of what is determined. Not so in fatalism.
Nope. You said determined equals fatalism. The cross was determined and therefore involves fate. Christ's choice made no difference. It was inconsequential.
You said determinism and fatalism are synonymous terms. Which would also mean creation itself is fate. God had no choice. Yikes. You make it to easy.
The cross was determined after Christ agreed to it. Nothing at all like your actions being determined before you were born
To further demonstrate your confusion, it should be noted God freely created the world. He was not determined to create.
You really have no understanding of these issues
Where does it say Christ had to agree to and then it was fated? LOL That is not how fate works. Your choices have nothing to do with it.
Nope. If God DETERMINED to create it was fate remember?
I don't? LOL Take a good look in the mirror.
