Peterlag
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I don't forget. Thomas did not call Jesus God. Read the OP again.
Thomas... My Lord and my God
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Read the scripture
What Thomas stated
John 20:27–29 (NASB 95) — 27 Then He said to Thomas, “Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.” 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”
and Jesus response
His words were my lord and my God
Why do you want to leave it out
He said to him
John 20:28–29 (NASB 95) — 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”
You are denying scripture
Can you deny the fact Jesus was clearly worshipped in the bible
On earth and in heaven
John 9:38 And he said, “Lord, I believe.” And he worshiped Him.
Matt 28:9 And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him.
Matt 28:17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful.
Matt 14:33 And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, “You are certainly God’s Son!”
Luke 24:52 And they, after worshiping Him, returned to Jerusalem with great joy,
Heb 1:6 And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, “And let all the angels of God worship Him.”
Rev 5:12–14 saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.” And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, “To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.” And the four living creatures kept saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped.
Logos provides the following
Christ not only accepted divine worship but also demanded it1. The New Testament provides extensive evidence: the apostles and early disciples worshipped Christ both during his earthly ministry and after his ascension2. Women worshipped him following his resurrection1, and early Christians directed their prayers to Christ, becoming known as “callers upon Christ” before they were even called Christians2.
The theological foundation rests on Christ’s divine nature and authority. One who taught that God alone should be worshipped must himself be God, since he accepted worship1. Christ is presented as an object of divine worship—he whom all angels are commanded to worship and to whom every knee shall bow must be the object of spiritual worship2. This worship extends beyond mere honor; if Christ is to be worshipped as God, then he is to be worshipped with the worship required in the first commandment, which is proper to the only true God alone3.
The practice is eschatologically affirmed as well. Christ will be worshipped when the throne is set in the heavens, with archangels, angels, the four living creatures, and the twenty-four elders falling down to worship him1.
Additional biblical passages supporting Christ’s worship: Philippians 2:9–11 declares that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Hebrews 1:6 commands that all the angels of God worship him. Revelation 5:11–14 depicts heavenly worship where the Lamb receives power, riches, wisdom, might, honor, glory, and blessing alongside the one who sits on the throne.
- 1
R. E. Neighbour, Sermons and Bible Studies (WORDsearch, 2000), 50–51. - 2
David B. Ford, “Scriptural Evidence of the Deity of Christ,” Bibliotheca Sacra (1860), 563–565. - 3
John Owen, The Works of John Owen, ed. William H. Goold (Edinburgh: T&T Clark, n.d.), 12:384–385.
FreeInChrist
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There is a very nice forum that I could recommend to you and your friends that might welcome you .... or not.
au contraire. You have helped me find more and more passages that testify to the deity of Christ. Where you spread darkness, Christ has spread light. Even though I have tested passages with your unusual, unbibilical perspective, none of your theories or beliefs have proven to be true. You have shown that none of the unitarian arguments have any substance to them and that such arguments have to deny the obvious points, such as in John 1.
However, it does get drab as you repeat the same weak ideas over and over and over again.
civic
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as Jesus would say to Paul its kicking against the pricks/goads.
Runningman
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Or I could get a couple dozen Biblical Unitarians to show up here. I haven't asked, I figured if they want to debate people online they know how to do it, but I haven't found any reason to do so. I haven't seen anything overwhelming or difficult here. How would you like to get 20 replies on the same comment with people arguing with you every time you mention you believe Jesus is God?
civic
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Runningman
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What I read here is that you have just found more ways to reinterpret things to fit your philosophy. I am not surprised, that's what I said in my comment that you all do.
I'm sharing the effect of your arguments. It certainly is odd that what I study on my own ends up matching with other independent studies of the deity of Christ. Your view just follows the party line of the unitarians or Christadelphians. I'm not sure why you have committed so much effort to conform to their doctrines.
This would demonstrate that they all are pre-programmed or indoctrinated in the same way that you have. It is like you are hypnotized to miss all the words that show the deity of Christ.
FreeInChrist
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@Runningman, @Peterlag
Do you agree that only God can save?
That as is stated here it is true?
Scripture is explicit: only God can save
This is not a theological assumption — it is a repeated exclusive claim of Yahweh.
Isaiah 43:11 “I, even I, am the LORD, And there is no savior besides Me.”
Isaiah 45:
21 “Declare and set forth your case; Indeed, let them consult together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has long since declared it? Is it not I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me.
22 “Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; For I am God, and there is no other.
Hosea 13:4 “You shall know no god but Me, For there is no savior besides Me.”
Am I fair to assume this is both of your beliefs????????????
Keeping in mind These emphasize God's unique role in delivering people from sin, death, and judgment. In Jewish monotheism, salvation is God's prerogative alone.
Also Keeping in mind that in the OT “Savior” is a divine identity, not a delegated role.
I will await your replies.
TYVM
Do you agree that only God can save?
That as is stated here it is true?
Scripture is explicit: only God can save
This is not a theological assumption — it is a repeated exclusive claim of Yahweh.
Isaiah 43:11 “I, even I, am the LORD, And there is no savior besides Me.”
Isaiah 45:
21 “Declare and set forth your case; Indeed, let them consult together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has long since declared it? Is it not I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me.
22 “Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; For I am God, and there is no other.
Hosea 13:4 “You shall know no god but Me, For there is no savior besides Me.”
Am I fair to assume this is both of your beliefs????????????
Keeping in mind These emphasize God's unique role in delivering people from sin, death, and judgment. In Jewish monotheism, salvation is God's prerogative alone.
Also Keeping in mind that in the OT “Savior” is a divine identity, not a delegated role.
I will await your replies.
TYVM
civic
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Yes which means Christ is God
FreeInChrist
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Shuuuuush... dont spoil it
civic
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oopsShuuuuush... dont spoil it
FreeInChrist
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May not even get a reply in which case I'll finish for the others,oops
Peterlag
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The word “savior” is one of the many words that is used of both God and His Son, Jesus, and others as well. For example, Othniel, who judged Israel, is called a “savior” (Judg. 3:9), and so is Ehud (Judg. 3:15). But God is the ultimate savior, and all the others who are called “savior” derive their calling and ability from Him.
There are Trinitarians who believe that because this verse calls God “Savior,” and Jesus is also called “Savior,” Jesus must be God in the flesh. However, that belief is not correct. There are many references to God the Father being called “Savior.” That makes perfect sense because He is the author of the plan of salvation and is also very active in our salvation. For example, God, the Father, is called “Savior” in Isaiah 43:11; 1 Timothy 1:1; 2:3; 4:10; Titus 3:4; Jude 25. In contrast, Jesus Christ is called “Savior” because he is the agent who carried out God’s plan, and without whom it could not have come to pass.
The term “savior” is used of many people in the Bible. This is hard to see in the English versions because when the word “savior” is used of people, the translators almost always translated it as “deliverer.” This in and of itself shows that modern translators have a Trinitarian bias. The only reason to translate a word as “Savior” when it applies to God or Christ, but as “deliverer” when it applies to men, is to make the term seem unique to God and Jesus when in fact it is not.
oh right. they all saved the cosmos too like Jesus did. NOT!!!
The unitarians take a minor usage of something and make it the rule to exclude who Jesus is. Their approach is always incorrect interpretation methods.
Peterlag
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If I saw a tree falling that was a surprised to me. I might say something like oh my Lord and my God. That does not mean I would be calling a tree God.
