praise_yeshua
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You can reference me by name.
I can ignore you. I usually do. Claim victory and enjoy.
Thomas... My Lord and my God
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I can ignore you. I usually do. Claim victory and enjoy.
Peterlag
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Who got banned? Anyone I know?
Peterlag
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Management told me not to long ago not to mention others when writing to someone else.
Jews debated the Two Powers in Heaven. It is not like they were stupid.
He joined yesterday but then got angry and reacted badly.
civic
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No. The Unitarians as a whole have been a nice group on BAM.
Runningman
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Nothing in the Bible gives instruction to worship Jesus to believers, yet it's spelled out plainly for the Father. Why do you believe in worshipping Jesus when it's not given as instruction or example in the entirety of Scripture?
Runningman
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Aww that's sad. I liked him too.
dwight92070
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How blind you are. TomL gave 8 examples of worshiping Jesus (3927) and there are many more. Psalm 2:12 instructs us to worship the Son: "Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way, ..." The wise men are an example of worshiping Jesus. The one leper out of the 10 who were healed, returned to glorify God, by falling on his face before Jesus to worship Him.
In Jesus' triumphal entry into Jerusalem on a donkey's colt, he was worshiped. The Pharisees said, "Teacher, Rebuke your disciples." Jesus said, "If these remain silent, the rocks will cry out (and worship Him)."
It's very, very sad that even the rocks will worship Jesus before you do.
Runningman
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Only the Father is worshipped as God. Remember, I have already disproven the deity of Jesus using Scripture so what I said is sound and Scriptural. Jesus is never said to be worshipped as God in the Bible. Do you at least agree with that?
Sure. I think this even said more than Peter realized at the time -- of Jesus both as Messiah and as deity. Some of the ecstatic confessions can be beyond a person's natural thinking.
FreeInChrist
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Where in the Holy Scriptures does it say NOT or Never to wordship Jesus?
Where in the Holy Scriptures does it say Jesus rebuked those who did bow down and worship Him?
So what if there is no direct command to worship Him?
The Bible doesn't contain an explicit command like "Thou shalt worship Jesus" in the same way as the Old Testament commands worship of God (e.g., Exodus 20:3-5). However, there are numerous instances where Jesus is described as receiving worship (using the Greek word proskuneo, which means to bow down in reverence or adoration, often translated as "worship" in contexts reserved for deity), and He doesn't rebuke it—unlike angels or apostles who redirect worship to God (see Revelation 19:10; Acts 10:25-26). But there are some passages that imply or instruct honor and submission to Jesus in ways equated with worship of God.
Matthew 2:11: The Magi (wise men) visit the infant Jesus and "bowed down and worshiped him." This is an early example of worship directed at Jesus.
Matthew 14:33: After Jesus walks on water and calms the storm, the disciples in the boat "worshiped him, saying, 'Truly you are the Son of God.'"
Matthew 28:9 and 28:17: After his resurrection, the women at the tomb "clasped his feet and worshiped him," and later the disciples "worshiped him" on the mountain in Galilee.
Luke 24:52: As Jesus ascends to heaven, the disciples "worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy."
John 9:38: After Jesus heals the man born blind, the man says, "Lord, I believe," and "he worshiped him."
Philippians 2:9-11: Paul writes that God exalted Jesus so "that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." This echoes Isaiah 45:23, where God says every knee will bow to Him, implying Jesus shares in divine worship.
Hebrews 1:6: Referring to Jesus, it says, "And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, 'Let all God's angels worship him.'" (Quoting Deuteronomy 32:43 from the Septuagint.)
Revelation 5:11-14: In a heavenly vision, the Lamb (symbolizing Jesus) receives worship alongside God: "To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!" The elders and creatures "fell down and worshiped."
from christianity.stackexchange.com
Other instances of people bowing to Jesus in worship include a leper (Matthew 8:2), a ruler (Matthew 9:18), the Canaanite woman (Matthew 15:25), and the mother of James and John (Matthew 20:20). These are often cited by scholars as evidence that early Christians viewed Jesus as divine and worshipped him accordingly, especially since Jesus affirms worship of God in spirit and truth (John 4:23-24) but accepts it himself.
Can you deny the fact Jesus was clearly worshipped in the bible
John 9:38 And he said, “Lord, I believe.” And he worshiped Him.
Matt 28:9 And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him.
Matt 28:17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful.
Matt 14:33 And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, “You are certainly God’s Son!”
Luke 24:52 And they, after worshiping Him, returned to Jerusalem with great joy,
Heb 1:6 And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, “And let all the angels of God worship Him.”
Rev 5:12–14 saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.” And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, “To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.” And the four living creatures kept saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped.
Logos provides the following
Christ not only accepted divine worship but also demanded it1. The New Testament provides extensive evidence: the apostles and early disciples worshipped Christ both during his earthly ministry and after his ascension2. Women worshipped him following his resurrection1, and early Christians directed their prayers to Christ, becoming known as “callers upon Christ” before they were even called Christians2.
The theological foundation rests on Christ’s divine nature and authority. One who taught that God alone should be worshipped must himself be God, since he accepted worship1. Christ is presented as an object of divine worship—he whom all angels are commanded to worship and to whom every knee shall bow must be the object of spiritual worship2. This worship extends beyond mere honor; if Christ is to be worshipped as God, then he is to be worshipped with the worship required in the first commandment, which is proper to the only true God alone3.
The practice is eschatologically affirmed as well. Christ will be worshipped when the throne is set in the heavens, with archangels, angels, the four living creatures, and the twenty-four elders falling down to worship him1.
Additional biblical passages supporting Christ’s worship: Philippians 2:9–11 declares that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Hebrews 1:6 commands that all the angels of God worship him. Revelation 5:11–14 depicts heavenly worship where the Lamb receives power, riches, wisdom, might, honor, glory, and blessing alongside the one who sits on the throne.
- 1
R. E. Neighbour, Sermons and Bible Studies (WORDsearch, 2000), 50–51. - 2
David B. Ford, “Scriptural Evidence of the Deity of Christ,” Bibliotheca Sacra (1860), 563–565. - 3
John Owen, The Works of John Owen, ed. William H. Goold (Edinburgh: T&T Clark, n.d.), 12:384–385.
FreeInChrist
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He considers himself to be above all who do. He cannot understand and does not want to try.
A Pharisee at heart... in our very midst.
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Incredible you can deny that Thomas clearly knew Christ was God
John 20:28–29 (NASB 95) — 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.
Apparently you lack the understanding the verse was an answer to Runningman showing a New Testament Jew knew Jesus was God.
FreeInChrist
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2 Corinthians 4:3-4 If the Good News we preach is hidden behind a veil, it is hidden only from people who are perishing. Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.
Flip of the Coin
John 12:39-40 This is why they could not believe: Isaiah also said, “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, so that they might not perceive with their eyes, and understand with their mind and turn, and I would heal them.”
Peterlag
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You guys need to sit down and just stop. And then think. Nobody who thinks someone is God says he's from the devil and then tries to kill him.
You ought to follow your own advise. No trinitarian speaks of those particular Jews knowing Christ is God.
Yet there are Jews who do affirm Christ as God
Thomas was one
That you failed to grasp such shows very little thinking on your part
FreeInChrist
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Or deliberate dropping a veil to block understanding... as suggested by below.....
Whats that ??? A veil blocking understanding refers to a metaphorical barrier that prevents people from grasping deeper truths or insights, often associated with spiritual or intellectual blindness.
John 9:39
Matthew 13:14-15
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