Thomas... My Lord and my God

[Peterlag]

Despite the Bible describing Jesus as one who received things, inherited things, was given things, granted things, made into things, they are incapable of understanding Jesus didn't inherently have any of it. Trintiarianism is a very liberal religion that relies heavily on philosophy. You will often see them reject what the Bible literally says when it anhilates the trinity, but when they find something literal that seems to help the trinity they will use it. This shows awareness that they aren't as braindead as they seem, but rather just only believe very little of what the Bible literally says.

They aren't Christians and we should stop giving them the benefit of the doubt that they are or are interested in learning the truth. As far as I am concerned as this point, this site exists solely for the sake of outreach to help the lost apostate trinitarian church.

We seem to be on the same page about this site. Do you want me back on the debate site? The word of the Lord or the word of God came unto the Prophet means God spoke to him. To suggest that means Jesus was in the Old Testament is so far off that I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

 

[brightfame52]

Jesus is a mediator between God and man. Isn't a mediator a go between for seperate parties?

Yes

 

[synergy]

We seem to be on the same page about this site. Do you want me back on the debate site?

The blind leading the blind.

The word of the Lord or the word of God came unto the Prophet means God spoke to him. To suggest that means Jesus was in the Old Testament is so far off that I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

The Word, who was God (John 1:1), tabernacled as Jesus (John 1:14). That proves that Jesus is the Word who is God.

It is so tragic that unitarians continue to despise what God has revealed through John.

 

[Runningman]

Runningman is not the authority here, the Bible is. Crack open your OT and go to 1 Kings 12:22 and 1 Ch 17:3.

1 Kings 12:22 and 1 Ch 17:3 clearly show that the Pre-Incarnate Word of God was a Communicative Person who had all the attributes of a Person (Mind, Will, Individuality, etc...).

• 1 Kings 12:22 "But the Word of God came to Shemaiah the man of God, saying,"
• 1 Ch 17:3 "And it happened the same night the Word of God came to Nathan, saying,

This obviously proves that the Word of God (Jesus), who is Uncreated (John 1:3), cannot possibly be just a figure or just a thought. He is God.

Just like your children can be heir of your inheritance, the same way Jesus was made heir of his Father's inheritance. That does not change the fact that the Word was God by nature.

You're mixing roles with nature and making a mess of things. Roles are what we do and that can change. Nature is what/who we are and that never changes. Learn the difference between roles and nature.

Unitarianism collapses and explodes from the very first verse of John and there is nothing you can do about it.

This has already been debunked and I am surprised you have the courage to let that argument see the light of day again. You must have thought I was't reading this thread.

For one, you capitalized wthe "Word" in those verses which is not something I have seen any translator or theologian do. No theologians use this argument.

Also, the word of God is something the prophets passively received, not something the word of God actively gave. It's not talking about a person here. It's about divine revelation, something you apparently are completely void of.

 

[Runningman]

Yes

Indeed. That's why we Christians know Jesus isn't the same party as God because that's what Scripture teaches.

 

[mikesw]

Indeed. That's why we Christians know Jesus isn't the same party as God because that's what Scripture teaches.

That is true. That is why we recognize Jesus' divinity as a distinct person in the Godhead rather than being the Father himself. Maybe you are starting to recognize the Triune God of scripture now. God does not require that a unitarian understand this concept in order for God to exist this way and act in this fashion.

 

[dwight92070]

This has already been debunked and I am surprised you have the courage to let that argument see the light of day again. You must have thought I was't reading this thread.

For one, you capitalized wthe "Word" in those verses which is not something I have seen any translator or theologian do. No theologians use this argument.

Also, the word of God is something the prophets passively received, not something the word of God actively gave. It's not talking about a person here. It's about divine revelation, something you apparently are completely void of.

I guess then, that you haven't looked at the NASB Bible. The "Word" is capitalized there. It also refers to the Word as "He" and "Him", so we know that the Word is in fact a person.
Your ignorance is surpassed by your arrogance.

 

[synergy]

This has already been debunked and I am surprised you have the courage to let that argument see the light of day again. You must have thought I was't reading this thread.

When will you address all your Gaffes?

For one, you capitalized wthe "Word" in those verses which is not something I have seen any translator or theologian do. No theologians use this argument.

The NKJV has the Word capitalized in those verses. Your Bible version is obviously influenced by heretics.

(John 1)
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

14. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

This is Gaffe #21 for you.

Also, the word of God is something the prophets passively received, not something the word of God actively gave. It's not talking about a person here. It's about divine revelation, something you apparently are completely void of.

This is a repeat of your Gaffe #10.

List of Unitarian RunningMan's Gaffes:

1. You mistake us for Modalists by falsely accusing us that we do not differentiate between the Word and the God (the Father).
2. Your ignorance of the Greek word ἐσκήνωσεν in John 1:14.
3. You have difficulty understanding the grammatical fact that pronouns implicitly point back to the Primary Subject as their Antecedent.
4. Your categorical mistake when you think that partaking of an item transforms your nature into that item.
5. Your ignorance of the Greek word κοινωνία,
6. Your ignorance of Greek neuter pronouns in 1 John 1.
7. You said that "the Word is not actually God" which flat out contradicts John 1:1c that says "the Word was God".
8. At no time does Jesus ever has to "partake" of divine nature. That's because he is God to begin with (John 1:1c).
9. The REV translates from God only knows which originals when they dreamt up the phrase "what God was the word was".
10. Your ignorance of the Uncreated Word of God, in the OT (1 Kings 12:22 and 1 Ch 17:3), who came to people as a Communicative Person and who has all the attributes of a Person (Mind, Will, Individuality, etc...).
11. You ignore the prevailing Greco-Roman paganism at that time when you mistakenly present John 17:3 as being against Trinitarianism. You're also working backwards from John 17:3 to wipe out what John wrote in John 1:1.
12. Your attempt to rewrite John 1:1c from "the Word was God" to "the Word was godly" was denied.
13. You forget that God said "Let us make man in our Image". That proves that there are multiple Creator Persons.
14. You are denigrating God's Shekinah Light (το φως το αληθινον) that radiated out of the OT Tabernacle and out of Jesus at his Transfiguration. Just as God tabernacled and radiated his Shekinah in the OT, the Word now tabernacles and radiates his Shekinah Light as Jesus.
15. Your deliberate ignorance of the Greek word ὅραμα which means “something seen” or “spectacle.” and cancels the heretical idea that the Transfiguration event was imaginary or unreal.
16. Your denial of the Glory of God being Jesus' intrinsic Glory (John 1:14), proving once again that the Word was God.
17. Your refusal to understand how the Greek word ἐρχόμενον (coming) (in John 1:9) aligns perfectly with Jesus' Kenosis.
18. You don't believe Jesus when he declared that he can resurrect himself. In fact, Jesus has full.authority over life and death by being "The Resurrection and The Life" (John 11:25).
19. Unitarians will be the ones in heaven refusing to offer worship towards the Father's Throne because of Jesus' presence on the that Throne.
20. You are ignorant of the fact that belief that Jesus is Lord (translated from Yahweh in the LXX) is required for our salvation.
21. You are ignorant of the fact that there are Bible version that do capitalized the Word in the Bible.