Thomas... My Lord and my God

[Tothalordbeallglory]

The Holy Spirit is the same Spirit that hovered over the waters in Genesis 1:2

In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of Elohim was hovering over the face of the waters

The SPIRIT shall come over you and what ye shall concieve shall be called THE SON OF GOD .
I think i understand why paul also in an allegorical sense
uses the line We even see in GENSIS
about the LIGHT shined out of darkness
Does not the Light of CHRIST also DIVIDE the children of the day from the children who are still of THE NIGHT
and do the works of darkness .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Absolutely and Praise the Wonderful Name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Big Thanks to @Selah

The darkness is now past and the TRUE LIGHT SHINETH .
that light be greater than the sun , IT IS THE SON . let the beauty of the LORD be sung to all .
THAT WE HAVE THE LORD and HE has saved HIS PEOPLE .
For it pleased GOD by preaching to save THOSE WHO BELEIVE .
But many will not come to THE LIGHT
for they LOVE the darkness , lest their evil deeds be reproved .

 

[Peterlag]

Jesus said “…the Father is greater than I”(John 14:28).

In contrast, the orthodox formula of the Trinity says the Father and the Son are “co-equal.” Jesus prayed to God “not my will, but yours, be done” because Jesus and God have separate wills (Luke 22:42; John 5:30). They would have one will if Jesus and the Father are the same “one God.” Trinitarian doctrine claims that Luke is referring to the human will of Jesus, and not his divine will, but that is problematic because the Bible never says anything like that or even hints that Jesus had two wills in conflict with each other inside him allowing one to be human and the other to be divine.

 

[mikesw]

Jesus said “…the Father is greater than I”(John 14:28).

In contrast, the orthodox formula of the Trinity says the Father and the Son are “co-equal.” Jesus prayed to God “not my will, but yours, be done” because Jesus and God have separate wills (Luke 22:42; John 5:30). They would have one will if Jesus and the Father are the same “one God.” Trinitarian doctrine claims that Luke is referring to the human will of Jesus, and not his divine will, but that is problematic because the Bible never says anything like that or even hints that Jesus had two wills in conflict with each other inside him allowing one to be human and the other to be divine.

This is what one argues about the unknowable situation when one runs out of true arguments.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

This is what one argues about the unknowable situation when one runs out of true arguments.

We can see this my friend . I mean look at all the other scrips
he omitted by saying things like a car is not a car stuff . He totally used the most offset mindset
to try and hold on to what he believed .
He reasoned away what many other scrips said by saying the things he said .
It is understood that the God head is a mystery . I even understand
if at first its not understood . BUT , and this is a big but , but when one
clearly twistes what is written in plain sight , THEN we have a problem .
For example i believed what was written when JOHN
said in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with GOD and the Word was God .
I also beleived it when JESUS said the FATHER is greater than I .
I simply kept reading the bible and learning and enjoying the Truth
and one day enough understanding came to me that made it real simple .
The problem is many folks sat under the wrong men
and thus they learned twisted things to fit a teaching
rather than simply having learned the bible for themselves .
AND beleive me when i say that men do this with a lot of teachings .
They twist it and its clearly seen that they do .
Because by their interpretation of what they try and make it mean or say
IT clearly contradicts lots of other places in the bible .
Many twist the truth to support what the carnal mind beleives
Rather than learning the truth and having the TRUTH mold their minds by the SPIRIT .
Its why we have this nightmare today .
And now a big delusion has come to merge the deceived with the decieved to become
as one mind and one heart under a LIE that they think is love and is the plan for World peace and safety .
We have serious problems because many dont have a true desire FOR GOD , for truth
and at most they sit under men and allow them to explain away what is so simple .
People spend their time in the lusts and cares of this life and of this world
and rather than spending time in prayer and in the word
to learn for themselves , they simply learn what men teach and for the wrong reasons too .
Many learn because they desire to SEEM and to appear WISE unto men . THAT Right there is a big NO NO
others might learn a little under men in order to Justify other sins and etc . ALL the wrong reasons .
Our mind should simple be this , Let us learn so that we may serve GOD better , not to be seen of men
and to appear wise , not to justify our evil , BUT TO SERVE GOD .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Absolutely and Praise the Wonderful Name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Big Thanks to @Selah

Let us increase our time spent in prayer , in reading the word and doing the things of the LORD .
Exhorting daily .
Let us be diligent and vigilent in the things of the LORD .
Keeping ALL things OF GOD upon the heart by the HOLY GHOST .
His pattern of correction
Beholding all His words , both the goodness and severity of GOD .
FOR EVERY WORD of GOD from HIS promises to His warnings
are GOOD for and to the hearer and doer , to the BELEIVER of HIS words , OF HIS SON
of all things inspired by GOD that are written for our learning in the scriptures .
Let none of it be added to or omitted . JUST let us as small children
BELIEVE every WORD of GOD . For it is written man shall not live by bread alone but by
every Word of GOD . BY THE WORD OF GOD who has come to give us understanding also of the scrips
and gives us salvation and a new heart that hungers for TRUTH , for righteousness .
Stir thyself up and others up with ALL those reminders . AS did CHRIST , as did the apostels .
EVEN though ye know these things and be established in the truth , Peter and paul
STILL reminded and stirred up the peoples by way OF remembrance .
USE biblical doctrine . Test all things . A delusion has grown out of control
and it cometh to take captive the deceived and to decieve .
Such deception shall it bring that if it were possible it could deceive EVEN the elect .
I never seen such a delusion like the one i see today . ONLY satan would bring
in a love and by that love deceive . FOR IT IS NOT the LOVE OF GOD but of the world .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

This is what one argues about the unknowable situation when one runs out of true arguments.

any love that does not REJOICE IN TRUTH , is no love of GOD but is of the world .
THIS is why many embrace this other love , which many cliam is of GOD ,
for it overlooks their sins , it overlooks unbelief and has made the path very inclusive and broad .
BROAD is the way that leads NOT TO GOD but to destruction .
GOD told us and the apostels would use HIS words to remind them also
DO NOT be unequally yoked together with unbeleivers .
Satan knows how to make anything sound like its for a good cause .
SO he and his men are gonna yoke us up with unrepentant sinners
and the false religoins and claim its all for a good cause , for world peace , let us come together .
BUT GOD NEVER said TO FIND COMMON GROUND with darkness
but rather expose the darkness . We are being massively infiltrated
by one who is very subtile and very wise . The sheep need to get back into prayer and into the scriptures .
TO be and to stay refreshed , stirred up by way of the pure remembrance of HIS words , HIS truth .
Peter and paul both make mention of this .
For to me to write THE SAME things to you is not grievious but for you it is safe .
Beware of dogs , beware of the consicion for we are the circumsion .
SO beware of the intefaith which i know is of anti christ
beware of its cry to be as one
and to find common ground with darkness . For the unbelievers ARE NOT the circumsion
and are still in darkness . ONLY those in CHRIST have had their hearts TRULY circumcised
We have no business trying to find common ground with darkness . No matter
how good , kind or caring satan can make it sound . HE will always
make it seem as though its best for us TO DO something contrary to GOD and he will
as do his men .

 

[Doug Brents]

Only you are saying that the knowledge, wisdom, information, and good news within the Word did exist before Genesis.

I am not the only one saying that. God said it in John 1:1.

I'm saying the "Word in writing" was not around when Abraham walked the earth.

That is completely irrelevant. The "Word in writing" is just the Word that has always existed and is now written down. Just as Jesus is the Word that has always existed that has now taken human form. It did not suddenly come into being when it/He took physical form.

If we understand that the logos is God's expression... His plan, purpose, reason and wisdom.

But we don't understand that. That is YOUR preconception, and not the Biblical truth.

Then it is clear they were with Him "in the beginning." Scripture says God's wisdom was "from the beginning" and it was common in Hebrew writing to personify a concept such as wisdom. The fact that the logos "became" flesh shows it did not exist that way before. There is no pre-existence for Jesus in this verse other than his figurative "existence" as the plan, purpose or wisdom of God for the salvation of man. The same is true with the "word" in writing. It had no literal pre-existence as a "spirit-book" somehow in eternity past, but came into being as God gave the revelation to people and they wrote it down.

You keep repeating yourself, and I think it is only to reassure you that you haven't forgotten your false doctrine. Jesus/the Logos of God has always existed. Just because He changed form doesn't mean that He didn't exist before the form change. Jesus was there with God at Creation, and He was God in Creation, and He came down from Heaven to take on the form of a man and live as we do to experience life as a man and become our Kinsman Redeemer.

What are the 3 way or 3 parts? Keep in mind the words "God" and "Father" are not parts. They are names.​

Earlier you said they were not names, but titles. Which is it? Are they names or titles? And does it matter?

If...​

1.) Jesus is God.​

2.) Holy Spirit is God.​

3.) What's the third one___________​

And don't give me a name or a title and then say I'm blind. Give me the third God.​

There are not three Gods, so you question is flawed. And if we can't give a name or a title, how else are we to identify the third person of the Godhead?

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

The Holy Spirit is the same Spirit that hovered over the waters in Genesis 1:2

In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of Elohim was hovering over the face of the waters

Satan is very subtile and sneaky my friend .
HE has one goal to cause unbeleif and thus disobediance TO GOD .
And he knows how to make a cause seem good too .
GOD said DO NOT be unequally yoked together .
The dark one says , OH let us find common ground , this is a means for world peace .
HE is using what seems as a good cause in order to cause even the church
to yoke up with unbelievers and unrepentant sinners . He is slick .
BUt the sheep heed the LORD . AND HE said DO NOT be unequally yoked .
Rather expose , reprove the darkness .
Many fall for simple lies too . because satan knows how to make them sound
as though its for their good , for the good of others , for the good of humanity
JUST like he did at the tree . BUThe is a liar . the sheep do not heed that voice .
They expose it and the men who speak by the tongue of a serpent .
We have a duty to GOD , we owe him all
and we have a duty to the peoples . The SPIRIT works to keep the church safe
NOT to lead it astray as many now do .

 

[Peterlag]

I am not the only one saying that. God said it in John 1:1.

That is completely irrelevant. The "Word in writing" is just the Word that has always existed and is now written down. Just as Jesus is the Word that has always existed that has now taken human form. It did not suddenly come into being when it/He took physical form.

But we don't understand that. That is YOUR preconception, and not the Biblical truth.

You keep repeating yourself, and I think it is only to reassure you that you haven't forgotten your false doctrine. Jesus/the Logos of God has always existed. Just because He changed form doesn't mean that He didn't exist before the form change. Jesus was there with God at Creation, and He was God in Creation, and He came down from Heaven to take on the form of a man and live as we do to experience life as a man and become our Kinsman Redeemer.

Earlier you said they were not names, but titles. Which is it? Are they names or titles? And does it matter?

There are not three Gods, so you question is flawed. And if we can't give a name or a title, how else are we to identify the third person of the Godhead?

I am talking about the word in writing that had no pre-existence. You are talking about something else and bickering with me about what you are saying that I did not say. You (I think) is referring to the Word of God that always existed and I never said anything about that. I spoke about the word in writing.

the "word" in writing. It had no literal pre-existence as a "spirit-book" somehow in eternity past, but came into being as God gave the revelation to people and they wrote it down.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Satan is very subtile and sneaky my friend .
HE has one goal to cause unbeleif and thus disobediance TO GOD .
And he knows how to make a cause seem good too .
GOD said DO NOT be unequally yoked together .
The dark one says , OH let us find common ground , this is a means for world peace .
HE is using what seems as a good cause in order to cause even the church
to yoke up with unbelievers and unrepentant sinners . He is slick .
BUt the sheep heed the LORD . AND HE said DO NOT be unequally yoked .
Rather expose , reprove the darkness .
Many fall for simple lies too . because satan knows how to make them sound
as though its for their good , for the good of others , for the good of humanity
JUST like he did at the tree . BUThe is a liar . the sheep do not heed that voice .
They expose it and the men who speak by the tongue of a serpent .
We have a duty to GOD , we owe him all
and we have a duty to the peoples . The SPIRIT works to keep the church safe
NOT to lead it astray as many now do .

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭6‬:‭14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Doug Brents]

I am talking about the word in writing that had no pre-existence. You are talking about something else and bickering with me about what you are saying that I did not say. You (I think) is referring to the Word of God that always existed and I never said anything about that. I spoke about the word in writing.

Again, this is completely irrelevant. The knowledge, wisdom, and good news in the Word did not spring into being just because it was written down. Yes, the physical document that is the written Word began when pen was put to parchment. But the information contained in that written Word always existed, even before Creation. It is the same with Jesus. He existed before Creation as God. He did not spring into being just because He put on physical flesh.

Are you incapable of seeing this? Or are you so caught up in your false doctrine that you refuse to see it?

 

[Marvelloustime]

any love that does not REJOICE IN TRUTH , is no love of GOD but is of the world .
THIS is why many embrace this other love , which many cliam is of GOD ,
for it overlooks their sins , it overlooks unbelief and has made the path very inclusive and broad .
BROAD is the way that leads NOT TO GOD but to destruction .
GOD told us and the apostels would use HIS words to remind them also
DO NOT be unequally yoked together with unbeleivers .
Satan knows how to make anything sound like its for a good cause .
SO he and his men are gonna yoke us up with unrepentant sinners
and the false religoins and claim its all for a good cause , for world peace , let us come together .
BUT GOD NEVER said TO FIND COMMON GROUND with darkness
but rather expose the darkness . We are being massively infiltrated
by one who is very subtile and very wise . The sheep need to get back into prayer and into the scriptures .
TO be and to stay refreshed , stirred up by way of the pure remembrance of HIS words , HIS truth .
Peter and paul both make mention of this .
For to me to write THE SAME things to you is not grievious but for you it is safe .
Beware of dogs , beware of the consicion for we are the circumsion .
SO beware of the intefaith which i know is of anti christ
beware of its cry to be as one
and to find common ground with darkness . For the unbelievers ARE NOT the circumsion
and are still in darkness . ONLY those in CHRIST have had their hearts TRULY circumcised
We have no business trying to find common ground with darkness . No matter
how good , kind or caring satan can make it sound . HE will always
make it seem as though its best for us TO DO something contrary to GOD and he will
as do his men .

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
“Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13‬:‭4‬-‭8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Marvelloustime]

Let us increase our time spent in prayer , in reading the word and doing the things of the LORD .
Exhorting daily .
Let us be diligent and vigilent in the things of the LORD .
Keeping ALL things OF GOD upon the heart by the HOLY GHOST .
His pattern of correction
Beholding all His words , both the goodness and severity of GOD .
FOR EVERY WORD of GOD from HIS promises to His warnings
are GOOD for and to the hearer and doer , to the BELEIVER of HIS words , OF HIS SON
of all things inspired by GOD that are written for our learning in the scriptures .
Let none of it be added to or omitted . JUST let us as small children
BELIEVE every WORD of GOD . For it is written man shall not live by bread alone but by
every Word of GOD . BY THE WORD OF GOD who has come to give us understanding also of the scrips
and gives us salvation and a new heart that hungers for TRUTH , for righteousness .
Stir thyself up and others up with ALL those reminders . AS did CHRIST , as did the apostels .
EVEN though ye know these things and be established in the truth , Peter and paul
STILL reminded and stirred up the peoples by way OF remembrance .
USE biblical doctrine . Test all things . A delusion has grown out of control
and it cometh to take captive the deceived and to decieve .
Such deception shall it bring that if it were possible it could deceive EVEN the elect .
I never seen such a delusion like the one i see today . ONLY satan would bring
in a love and by that love deceive . FOR IT IS NOT the LOVE OF GOD but of the world .

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
“Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth. Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭1‬:‭12‬-‭13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Marvelloustime]

The darkness is now past and the TRUE LIGHT SHINETH .
that light be greater than the sun , IT IS THE SON . let the beauty of the LORD be sung to all .
THAT WE HAVE THE LORD and HE has saved HIS PEOPLE .
For it pleased GOD by preaching to save THOSE WHO BELEIVE .
But many will not come to THE LIGHT
for they LOVE the darkness , lest their evil deeds be reproved .

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
“For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭1‬:‭21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Marvelloustime]

My soul is deeply troubled for many my friend . What was the ONE main warning
that JESUS and later the apostels warned to be on gaurd about .
BE NOT DECIEVED . and it was beware of wolves IN WOOL . not wolves as much as WOLVES IN WOOL .
Here ye the parable of the persuasive wolf .
There once lived a wolf and he had many in his pack .
And in the distance could be seen a large grazing field full of grass with a huge iron gate surrounding it .
The wolf knew he could not break down or enter into that pasture .
FOR upon its wall sheep stood in line with the Great SHEPARD of the sheep .
SO he decided to devise a plan .
I will go unto the Hirelings who keep this sheep
and will convince him .
SO up to the gate he goes . And quite a few hirelings stood .
HE says Hey i am as you are , see my wool and see i can chew on some grass .
I have come to offer you all a much much bigger pasture
and a far far easire life . I can help you watch the sheep .
Now a few within the gate , a few true leaders said , NO wait
we are TOLD not to go outside . But the hirelings laughed and mocked at them
and said YE put too much on us . WE need the best life now
not such a burden as to keep all this sheep , this other sheep HE KNOWS what he is talking about .
We shall open the door to this sheep . SO in it comes
and begins to persaude them all more and more of HOW GOOD it is outside this pasture
and that HE knows of this great pasture outside this one .
He convinces a few to go out
Later he returns . Some wonder where the other sheep are
but he quickly says , OH FRIEND they are having their best life now and eating the finer things in life
And they look out and see these sheep getting fatter and fatter .
SO he says again , SEE they are having thier best life now
let us all be one family . I will guide you all out and keep you safe .
SO they all went out . And he led them and fed them all the grass they could graze on .
TILL ONE day the cries of a thousand wolves could be heard
and then he said HEY BOYS i fattend them up REAL GOOD , THEY ARE ALL YOURS. ITS DINNER TIME .

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭15‬-‭17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[MTMattie]

I don't follow what you're saying but I did pick up a few key words like the Pope and Trump.

I think to qualify to be a Pope one must be born again of the seed of the Devil.
I think Trump is the best we have ever had in the White House in the last 100 years if not the best ever.

Be still my heart. I absolutely agree with you on both points.

 

[Marvelloustime]

many trust in a works religoin , a self righteous religoin
only due to the fact they call it love , THEY cannot see it for the lie it is .
SO allow me some parting words .
ANY love that DONT POINT to the DIRE NEED to BELEIVE ON JESUS
well ITS NOT OF GOD but is of the world .
THE LOVE OF GOD POINTS TO CHRIST . that is a fact my friend . AND to no other will it point .
this other love , IT cannot save for it procliams its okay if one beleives not so long as they had love .
WELL .
Lets examine that to see if they did FULLFILL the great commandments .
TO LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself
as john would say TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST and to love your neighbor as yourself .
ONLY THEY omit the BLEIEVE YE IN JESUS part .
SO NO LOVE FOR GOD and NO LOVE for your neighbor .
cause its written ye shall not HATE your neighbor in your heart
you SHALL in any way CORRECT him and not ALLOW sin upon him . YET their love
allows sins and wont correct , IT EVEN ALLOWS THE ONE SIN , UNBELIEF .
and what did JESUS say about that .
I told you that you shall DIE IN YOUR SINS , for if you BELEIVE NOT that I AM HE , ye shall DIE in your sins .
But most wanna follow todays beetles song of all ya neeed is love . that love is dung
cause it dishonors the SON , saves none and its blasphemous .

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
“And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3‬:‭23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Marvelloustime]

FOCUSED on CHRIST and all His sayings .
FROM every warning of GOD to every promise , THEM words work GOOD to the hearer and the doer .
Only most seem to dust the warnings off to the side with the saying doom and gloom .
NOT Knowing THAT GOD warns for a reason and that we NEED to be reminded
that we ought to behold BOTH the Goodness and severity of GOD .
Just a friendly reminder to us all .
GOD KNOWS how to keep the church safe . HE knows what we need and needed to hear .
Now to the trenches selah .
IF a man believes not the testimony that GOD gave of the SON
then they call GOD a liar . AND no man wants to do that , now do they .
RATHER ITS
LET GOD BE TRUE but every man a liar .

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
“Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭11‬:‭22‬ ‭KJV

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
“Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭11‬:‭22‬ ‭KJV

My sister has been dropping the lovely gems . Let the LORD be praised .