The Water Baptism of 1 Corinthians 12:13

[Seabass]

No. Water was part of the process.

Like @Doug Brents ....

You are only focusing on what you want to see.

What else was in the water? Do you not see other things in the water?

Yet, here you are only seeing water. Philip was appointed. You're not. Claiming you are is preposterous. No one sent you to baptize.

Are you really Abraham? Are you Philip? Are you Peter?

there is one baptism (Eph 4:5) in this gospel dispensation that one baptism being Christ's baptism of the great commissions where ALL disciples, as myself, Phiilip, Paul, Peter have ALL been instructed to "go" teach all nations baptizing them. Therefore is was always God's plan that DSICIPLES go and teach and water baptize men and NOT the HS SPirit miraculously illuminating man's understanding then "spirit baptize" men. Hence the Spirit sent for Phillip to teach and water baptize the eunuch per the great commission whereby ALL that are made disciples are made so by teaching (1 Cor 1:21) and humans administering water baptism. Man cannot change what God has instituted with the great commission but man can only reject and/or pervert what God has instituted with his own false inventions.

Note that this teaching and baptizing per the great commission will take place until the end of time. For disciples to be perpetually made throughout all time until time ends at the end of the world, this teaching and baptizing must take place. Disciples in the first century were made by disciples teaching and baptizing, disciples in the 21st century are likewise made by disciples teaching and water baptizing and if there is a 50th century disciples will be made then by teaching and water baptizing thus the need to perpetuate Christinity in making disciples REQUIRES a perpetuation in teaching and water baptizing. Again, the instruction to "go" teach and baptize was NOT given to the HS but to disciples till the end of time hence the Spirit sent for Phillip to teach and water baptize the eunuch per the great commission.

 

[Doug Brents]

No. Water was part of the process.

Like @Doug Brents ....

You are only focusing on what you want to see.

What else was in the water? Do you not see other things in the water?

Yet, here you are only seeing water. Philip was appointed. You're not. Claiming you are is preposterous. No one sent you to baptize.

Are you really Abraham? Are you Philip? Are you Peter?

We don't have to be those people. We were sent because we are part of the lineage of the Church.
To your point though, yes, there are other things happening with the eunuch in the water. The Holy Spirit is removing his sins (that is why he went away rejoicing), he was united to Jesus' body/bride/Church, and was made holy, pure, righteous, justified, and whole.

 

[Seabass]

You're not part of the "great commision". You're just a "coattail rider." Everyone that makes such claims today are just that.

Can you imagine Peter and the apostles facing all these "coattail riders" when they get to heaven?

Everyone all claiming to be just like the apostles........ because they read the Bible and insist they were chosen by their "fathers in the faith"....

Must be nice to just claim such authority when they weren't talking about you.....

Again, the great commission was given to ALL disciples to 'go' and make disciples. If no disciple goes to the world and teaches and water baptizing then no disciples can be made and Christianity would die out.

 

[praise_yeshua]

We don't have to be those people. We were sent because we are part of the lineage of the Church.

Just like those claiming heritage in Abraham. You have no right to claim authority. You don't have a right to claim to be a certain area of the body of the Church in Christ. God handles that Himself. All you have are claims. Nothing more.

You were not sent to baptize.

To your point though, yes, there are other things happening with the eunuch in the water. The Holy Spirit is removing his sins (that is why he went away rejoicing), he was united to Jesus' body/bride/Church, and was made holy, pure, righteous, justified, and whole.

Was Philip there in the water?

Was a faithful man there?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Again, the great commission was given to ALL disciples to 'go' and make disciples. If no disciple goes to the world and teaches and water baptizing then no disciples can be made and Christianity would die out.

Nonsense. God has always had a remnant. Those that don't come out of the visible claims among humanity. That is why Cornelius just "showed up" out of nowhere.

You have no commision relative to the apostles. There is "pecking order" to authority. You don't get to claim the authority of baptizing others.

 

[praise_yeshua]

there is one baptism (Eph 4:5) in this gospel dispensation that one baptism being Christ's baptism of the great commissions where ALL disciples, as myself, Phiilip, Paul, Peter have ALL been instructed to "go" teach all nations baptizing them. Therefore is was always God's plan that DSICIPLES go and teach and water baptize men and NOT the HS SPirit miraculously illuminating man's understanding then "spirit baptize" men. Hence the Spirit sent for Phillip to teach and water baptize the eunuch per the great commission whereby ALL that are made disciples are made so by teaching (1 Cor 1:21) and humans administering water baptism. Man cannot change what God has instituted with the great commission but man can only reject and/or pervert what God has instituted with his own false inventions.

Ridiculous. You are a deceiver.

1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

1Co 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

Noone is begotten through baptism.

Just another deceiver among all the deceivers in this world claiming authority they do not have.

Note that this teaching and baptizing per the great commission will take place until the end of time. For disciples to be perpetually made throughout all time until time ends at the end of the world, this teaching and baptizing must take place. Disciples in the first century were made by disciples teaching and baptizing, disciples in the 21st century are likewise made by disciples teaching and water baptizing and if there is a 50th century disciples will be made then by teaching and water baptizing thus the need to perpetuate Christinity in making disciples REQUIRES a perpetuation in teaching and water baptizing. Again, the instruction to "go" teach and baptize was NOT given to the HS but to disciples till the end of time hence the Spirit sent for Phillip to teach and water baptize the eunuch per the great commission.

There is not context of "end of time" in anything you can quote. Go for it. It is just another claim without evidence.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Again, the great commission was given to ALL disciples to 'go' and make disciples. If no disciple goes to the world and teaches and water baptizing then no disciples can be made and Christianity would die out.

Notice....the claim... "come through me"...... or you're not part of Christianity.

Deceivers always teach like this. Always.

 

[praise_yeshua]

To be clear about my position relative to the "great commision".

When we preach the Gospel today, we do so through the Scriptures. We are preaching what "CALLED" and "CHOSEN" men preached before us. We are not ourselves CHOSEN to do such. We preach THEIR message. Not our own.

As I said earlier. When Paul sent Titus and Timothy to choose among those qualified to lead the church going forward, they didn't just pick anyone that meet the rudimentary guidelines given to them as a basis of qualifications.

They made CHOICES themselves from AMONG those qualified. Yet, Timothy and Titus disappeared from the narrative of history for several reasons. Their lineage died out.

Thusly, no one today can claim any position of authority among the "Church Universal" but God alone. It is the doctrine if individual priestly order.

Now today. Everyone wants to claim authority they don't have. I don't have authority but none you do either.

 

[Seabass]

Notice....the claim... "come through me"...... or you're not part of Christianity.

Deceivers always teach like this. Always.

you simply reject the great commission and insert your own theological bias.

1 Cor 1:21 God has chosen PREACHING to save those that believe and disciples have been sent to preach the gospel and water baptize and this is how God intended for it to be.

Are you on this forum teaching/preaching? if not, then what is your purpose here? are you claiming the truth, the gospel "comes through you" in the words that you post here?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

LOL, smh, Then why are you placing yourself above Scripture? Submit to what Scripture says about how to be saved. Remove this nonsense about "belief only" (a concept found in only one verse in Scripture, and then in the negative).

lol.

The Pharisee claimed how good he was because he did works,

Just like your doing.

the tax collector did not get on his knees unable to look up crying out for Gods mercy, then went to get baptized to receive Gods mercy.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

All well and good. You have a Master. I'm not Him. I will never try to be. However, calling "baptism" just "dunking" is not recognizing the meaningfulness of it to certain important people.

I do agree that English isn't always important.

Well I never said it was just "dunking" so once again, you have a serious comprehension problem/

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

And wash, cleanse, purify, overwhelm and imbue

wash and cleanse are pretty much the only translations you will see in most versions

I disagree

The spirit is poured out - men are not immersed into the Spirit

I agree.. It is the spirit who baptized.. hence baptism of the spirit or with him, not in him

The spirit immerses me into Christ (gal 5)
The spirit immerses me into his Death and Burial (rom 6)
The spirit immerses me into his body (1 cor 12)

Isaiah 44:3 (LEB) — 3 For I will pour out water on a thirsty land and streams on dry ground. I will pour my spirit out on your descendants and my blessing on your offspring.

Ezekiel 39:29 (LEB) — 29 And I will not hide my face again from them when I pour out my Spirit over the house of Israel,” declares the Lord Yahweh.

Joel 2:28 (LEB) — 28 And it will happen afterward thus: I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy, and your elders will dream dreams; your young men shall see visions.

Joel 2:29 (LEB) — 29 And also on the male slaves and on the female slaves, I will pour out my Spirit in those days.

Acts 2:17 (LEB) — 17 ‘And it will be in the last days,’ God says, ‘I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy, and your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams.

Acts 2:18 (LEB) — 18 And even on my male slaves and on my female slaves I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.

Acts 10:45 (LEB) — 45 And those believers from the circumcision who had accompanied Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles,

this is the anointing

Moses washed the people in the river, then poured the oil on them anointing them.

The anoiting of the spirit. and the baptism OF the spirit are two different events.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

@TomL is right. The rituals associated with "baptismal" water performed in mikvahs. It is relative to ritual cleansings.

However, it was never more than symbolic. It is still symbolic today. That is why Paul talked about being "baptized" in the cloud and in the sea.

Yes rituals are symbolic

But the baptism of the spirit is a spiritual baptism,, has nothing to do with rituals or ceremonies or a physical baptizing in water

 

[Doug Brents]

Just like those claiming heritage in Abraham. You have no right to claim authority. You don't have a right to claim to be a certain area of the body of the Church in Christ. God handles that Himself. All you have are claims. Nothing more.

You were not sent to baptize.

In your eyes, maybe so.

But you are not the arbiter of Truth. Yours is not the approval I seek. You don't have to agree with me for me to have and exercise the authority given me by God.

Was Philip there in the water?

Yes, both he and the eunuch went down into the water.

Was a faithful man there?

Yes, Philip was there.

I don't have authority but none you do either.

If you don't feel that you have any authority, then why, and by what authority, are you telling us that we don't.

 

[Doug Brents]

lol.

The Pharisee claimed how good he was because he did works,

Just like your doing.

the tax collector did not get on his knees unable to look up crying out for Gods mercy, then went to get baptized to receive Gods mercy.

I am not claiming to be good because of anything I have done. I am claiming that God has made me pure and holy and united me with His Son through the Holy Spirit. All the glory goes to Him. I simply did what He commanded, like Naaman did, and received what was promised by God, again like Naaman did.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Well I never said it was just "dunking" so once again, you have a serious comprehension problem/

I quoted that word. I did so because that is my interpretation of what you're saying. (I should have noted it).

I don't have a comprehension problem. I understand you just fine.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes rituals are symbolic

But the baptism of the spirit is a spiritual baptism,, has nothing to do with rituals or ceremonies or a physical baptizing in water

It is more than just a "spiritual baptism". Sometimes the Spirit "covers us" and sometimes it is different. Everyone wants to pretend they have same "fullness" of the "covering" as the apostles had in the early church.

They don't. The reason why is "agreement" isn't there. They even agreed in things that were wrong. Much like when God "filled" the Temple that He never wanted built.

What does "God" do when His children will not really listen to Him? I tell what He often does.....

It lets people do what they want to do to find the end of themselves.....

We are often stubborn. We learn stubbornness from our fathers/mothers. Chastening often takes time.

 

[praise_yeshua]

In your eyes, maybe so.

But you are not the arbiter of Truth. Yours is not the approval I seek. You don't have to agree with me for me to have and exercise the authority given me by God.

Sure you do. Those at Corinth sought proof of Christ speaking in Paul. He gave it to them. You're not a "Paul" by any stretch of the imagination. Neither am I. I don't even care to be such. It doesn't enter my thoughts anymore. I don't desire authority. I want all men to answer directly to Jesus Christ. All men. There are no "eyes/ears/mouths" left today in the Body of Christ.

Yes, both he and the eunuch went down into the water.

Yes, Philip was there.

You were not appointed like Philip. You're not alone. Everyone claiming such authority is full of malarkey.

If you don't feel that you have any authority, then why, and by what authority, are you telling us that we don't.

Do whatever you want to with what I say. You will anyway. I don't preach/teach for any place of authority. I simply tell the Truth. Do whatever you want with it. I'm not wanting you to serve me.

You want other to serve you. I don't believe you even realize what authority is.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I am not claiming to be good because of anything I have done.

your claiming your saved because you got Baptized.

I am claiming that God has made me pure and holy and united me with His Son through the Holy Spirit. All the glory goes to Him. I simply did what He commanded, like Naaman did, and received what was promised by God, again like Naaman did.

You did. You, When you use the word I did something. Your taking credit and boasting.

God saved me, period.

thats what seperates you and I.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I quoted that word. I did so because that is my interpretation of what you're saying. (I should have noted it).

I don't have a comprehension problem. I understand you just fine.

evidently not. Since I did not say baptism means dunk. I actually gave many interpretations of the Greek word