The Unitarian belief that Jesus is not God causes those who offer worship to the Father's Throne (where Jesus sits) to be guilty of idolatry.

[101G]

don't believe the Jesus "of the Bible" would ever advocate for such a religion, and HE certainly never treated His God and my God in this way.

his God is his "Spirit", as said John 4:24a. my God is his own "Spirit". listen, John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."
the son of man was in heaven at the same time he was on earth. How? by diversity/equal share of himself in flesh, (the son of God).

101G is telling you... know the difference ... son of man vs son of God.

101G.

 

[civic]

listen, the Holy Spirit conceived that body in "likeness/; of men. scripture, Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" now, listen carefully. Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;" NOTE HE WAS NOT A "PARTAKER" IN OUR FLESH AND BLOOD. HE ... "TOOK PART" IN OUR HUMANITY... do you know the difference in Partaker vs took part. if not look it up.

now you said this, "There can be no human having only a mother's DNA" who was Adam mother?

101G

nice try as Adam as not conceived but created.

next...........

 

[Studyman]

That says nothing at all about denying his deny
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-10-25/

The Father

Of his own self will

Philippians 2:5–11 (KJV 1900) — 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Jesus was on a Mission from God, not His won. He was successful "Because" He humbled Himself and served His Father in obedience unto death. He was "perfect" even as His Father in heaven is perfect. His Mission was not to reconcile men to Him, but to God. He was sent, not to bring men to Him, but to "Bring men to God". He is still even not Advocating, not between men and Himself, but between men and HIS God.

The religion you have adopted, ignores all these things Jesus told you, and promotes instead, that Jesus was God. And you adopt, defend and promote an image of God in the likeness of who you desire God should look like. And you have adopted and defend and promote this world's high days created by men in worship of this "Image of God" plastered all over the world. And you reject God's Judgments if favor of your own, which Jesus would never do.

Um what did you do with him coming down from heaven

who came down from heaven

John 3:13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
John 6:33For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
John 6:38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
John 6:41The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
John 6:42And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
John 6:50This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
John 6:51I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

The Seed that bought about the man child was from heaven, not from earth.

No one mentioned a long haired man handsome or otherwise.

Come on Tom, I know you know exactly what I'm talking about. Why play stupid like you don't?

Thomas thought he was God

Thomas didn't think some random, incredibly handsome, long-haired men was God. Can you show me even ONE Scripture which depicts Jesus as a beautiful, long haired blued eyed man? And if you can't, then where does your god come from?

Peter thought he was God

Peter never thought some random, blue eyed handsome long-haired man was God.

2 Peter 1:1 (NASB 2020) — 1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

1 Peter 1: 2 Elect according to the foreknowledge "of God the Father", through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. 3 Blessed be the God and Father "of our Lord Jesus Christ", which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, "that raised him up from the dead", and gave him glory; that your faith and hope "might be in God".

1 Pet. 3: 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Peter knew the difference between the God and Father of the Lord's Christ, And HIS Son, who His God raised from the Dead, that my Hope and Faith might be in GOD, through Him.

Sadly, you will just ignore these verses and look for another one you can use to discredit or make void what Peter actually teaches.

Paul thought he was God

Titus 2:13 (NASB 2020) — 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Your new age Bible added a comma in 2020. All other NASB translations didn't have the comma. But you already know this, that is why you chose this particular translation.

Titus 2: 13 (KJV) Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

The Jesus "of the Bible" teaches the same thing.

John 17: 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee "the only true God", "and" Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Sadly you will ignore these and dozens of other Scriptures which define who is God, and who this God Sent to us in order to defend, preserve and promote your particular adopted religious sect.

all his disciples here thought he was God shown by the fact they worshipped him

Matthew 28:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

I should hope so. HE had just been raised from the Dead by His God and their God. But you should not continue ignoring what HE Himself had told them before.

John 14: 28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, "I go unto the Father": for my Father is greater than I. 29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, "when it is come to pass", ye might believe. 30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. 31 But that the world may know "that I love the Father"; and as "the Father gave me commandment", even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

I believe Him Tom, what He said His purpose is, who HE says to worship. Who HE instructed to Pray to. HE is my Lord and Savior I will listen to no other concerning who HE says HE is, and who His Father is.

 

[101G]

nice try as Adam as not conceived but created.

next...........

nice try, LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh my. Listen. Galatians 4:4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law," MADE of a woman? was not his body made? and yes the process was prepared. so, what do made mean? "made or formed in a particular place or by a particular process" now was not Adam .... "MADE?"

so U try again...... (smile).

101G

 

[101G]

The religion you have adopted, ignores all these things Jesus told you, and promotes instead, that Jesus was God. And you adopt, defend and promote an image of God in the likeness of who you desire God should look like. And you have adopted and defend and promote this world's high days created by men in worship of this "Image of God" plastered all over the world. And you reject God's Judgments if favor of your own, which Jesus would never do.

the IMAGE of God is MAN, the Glorified man. meaning God is a MAN the ETERNAL man.

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

This is what the blind man was recorded as saying translated to English:

(John 9:9) Some said, This is he. Others said, He is like him. He said, I am he.

My point stands.

Your point does not stand. Jesus saying I am and others saying I am does not make them God.

 

[Peterlag]

the blind man did not :

save anyone
create anyone
die for anyone
redeem anyone
convict anyone
read anyones thoughts
heal anyone
was anyones Master/ Lord
but was a slave of sin
a sinner
who was speaking to the Holy One, the Lord of Glory, , The King of kings, The Great Shepherd, the Great I Am, the Healer, the Messiah, The Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the Lord of Lords, God in the flesh

shall I go on or do you get the point ?

next fallacious argument ..................

hope this helps !!!

Jesus said I am the Messiah
The blind man said I am he

Neither made them God.

 

[Studyman]

his God is his "Spirit", as said John 4:24a. my God is his own "Spirit". listen, John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."
the son of man was in heaven at the same time he was on earth. How? by diversity/equal share of himself in flesh, (the son of God).

101G is telling you... know the difference ... son of man vs son of God.

101G.

John 4: 21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers "shall worship the Father" in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: (Jesus came in the Flesh, at least this is what the Scriptures say) and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
John 3: 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

The SEED that became Jesus was from His Father in heaven. The KJV is one of only a few translations that say Jesus the human, was in heaven before His ascension. Most translations do not promote that Jesus ascended into heaven before God Raised Him from the dead. I like the KJV, but not sure about this part of the translation.

 

[JoshebB]

My friend Richard said to me last Sunday that he thinks he's got this trinity stuff figured out. He said and keep in mind it's not me saying it. He said to me that he thinks since worshiping Jesus as God is idolatry. Then that would explain why the trinity folks open a door to the devil spirits who block their understanding from seeing the truth.

Invite Richard to join the forum and join this discussion. I'm confident @synergy can address all his concerns and any dissent Richard might broach. Otherwise, it's probably best you speak for yourself and not use third-party anecdotal reports to rag on Trinitarians and insinuate they are idol worshippers.

Just saying

 

[101G]

The SEED that became Jesus was from His Father in heaven.

the seed that "BECAME?" .... was from his Father? are you speaking biological, yes or no? if biological nonsense. now explain the "SEED".

101G.

 

[JoshebB]

I think I responded well. You think we are in idolatry and we think the same of you.....

No we don't think you believe........

Clue me in, Peter. Who is "we"?

 

[101G]

Jesus said I am the Messiah
The blind man said I am he

Neither made them God.

John 8:58 "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."
was the Lord Jesus "BEFORE" Abraham? now think, speaking of the Lord Jesus, Colossians 1:16 "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:" Colossians 1:17 "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

not only is he the Lord Jesus was before Abraham, he was before All things including Abraham.

101G.

 

[synergy]

Your point does not stand. Jesus saying I am and others saying I am does not make them God.

The blind man was recorded, when translated to English, as saying "I am he", not "I Am!". Do you see the difference?

(John 9:9) Some said, This is he. Others said, He is like him. He said, I am he.

The Bible proves that my point stands.

 

[101G]

@Peterlag,

there is no human on earth that can say he or she was "BEFORE" the world.

101G.

 

[TomL]

his God is his "Spirit", as said John 4:24a. my God is his own "Spirit". listen, John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."
the son of man was in heaven at the same time he was on earth. How? by diversity/equal share of himself in flesh, (the son of God).

101G is telling you... know the difference ... son of man vs son of God.

101G.

Certainly Jesus coming down from heaven destroys the unitarians denial of Christs pre-existance

John 3:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

John 6:38 (KJV 1900) — 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 6:51 (KJV 1900) — 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

John 6:62 (KJV 1900) — 62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

 

[101G]

Certainly Jesus coming down from heaven destroys the unitarians denial of Christs pre-existance

Certainly, but understand something. which not only unitarians but many misunderstand. the Lord Jesus exist .... period. the flesh he came in.... did not always exist. that flesh was to come in "TIME, "PLACE", "ORDER and "RANK". and in that flesh in the ECHAD, God, he took on the identity of "Christ". hope that helped.

101G

 

[TomL]

Certainly, but understand something. which not only unitarians but many misunderstand. the Lord Jesus exist .... period. the flesh he came in.... did not always exist. that flesh was to come in "TIME, "PLACE", "ORDER and "RANK". and in that flesh in the ECHAD, God, he took on the identity of "Christ". hope that helped.

101G

Echad is seen here

Genesis 2:24 (KJV 1900) — 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

It is a compound unity

 

[101G]

Echad is seen here

Genesis 2:24 (KJV 1900) — 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

It is a compound unity

that an ECHAD of flesh bone and blood. NOT SPIRIT. .... ok.

listen Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" not one MAN, not in flesh. but in Spirit.
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258
now this First exist...... and the Last exist..... Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."

revelation time, I AM the First/LORD. Spirit. and I AM "ALSO" the Last/Lord. Man. in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state. the same one Spirit. for Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form (NATURE) of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" there is that "WITH" God, just as "WITH" in John 1:1, who is "ALSO" God...... BINGO.

101G

 

[TomL]

that an ECHAD of flesh bone and blood. NOT SPIRIT. .... ok.

listen Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" not one MAN, not in flesh. but in Spirit.
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258
now this First exist...... and the Last exist..... Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."

revelation time, I AM the First/LORD. Spirit. and I AM "ALSO" the Last/Lord. Man. in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state. the same one Spirit. for Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form (NATURE) of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" there is that "WITH" God, just as "WITH" in John 1:1, who is "ALSO" God...... BINGO.

101G

You have not shown an echad of spirit would be different

BTW christ had flesh and bone

that one lord

is Yahweh echad in the Hebrew scriptures

Deuteronomy 6:4 (KJV 1900) — 4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:


In the New Testament it is replaced by one lord (eis kyrios)

Mark 12:29 (KJV 1900) — 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

One Lord (eis kyrios)

this is Jesus

1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

but he is not alone but with the Father

 

[101G]

You have not shown an echad of spirit would be different

BTW christ had flesh and bone

Oh my, did you not read? Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" form is Spirit... follow. and the Spirit is shared.... how, the root of Form is G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n.1. a portion (i.e. an amount allotted, a part of something). and another word for portion is "SHARE. this can be found at https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/another-word-for/portion.html under " A part of something divided between people", when used as a NOUN..... the very first word, "SHARE".

101G.