The unending requirement of faith

[civic]

Making Faith a requirement for salvation is law keeping. Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

So you will be required to have kept the whole Law for your salvation, and better have kept it perfectly !

denying faith is required for salvation is salvation by works= your systematic theology.

 

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'I am crucified with Christ:
nevertheless I live;
yet not I, but Christ liveth in me:
and the life which I now live in the flesh
I live by the faith of the Son of God,
Who loved me, and gave Himself for me.'
(Gal. 2:20)

Praise God!

 

[brightfame52]

denying faith is required for salvation is salvation by works= your systematic theology.

Making Faith a requirement for salvation is law keeping. Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

So you will be required to have kept the whole Law for your salvation, and better have kept it perfectly Gal 5:3

For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

 

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Subject Heading:- 'The unending requirement of faith'

'But without faith it is impossible to please Him:
for he that cometh to God must believe that He is,
and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet,
moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house;
by the which he condemned the world,
and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.'
(Heb 11:6)

 

[brightfame52]

Subject Heading:- 'The unending requirement of faith'

'But without faith it is impossible to please Him:
for he that cometh to God must believe that He is,
and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet,
moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house;
by the which he condemned the world,
and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.'
(Heb 11:6)

Says nothing about Faith being a requirement man must meet to be saved.

 

[TomL]

Making Faith a requirement for salvation is law keeping. Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

So you will be required to have kept the whole Law for your salvation, and better have kept it perfectly !

Not if one believes scripture

Romans 4:1–5 (ESV) — 1 What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” 4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,

and God still saves those that believe

1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
John 20:31 (UASV) — 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

 

[TomL]

Subject Heading:- The unending requirement of faith

'We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law,
but by the faith of Jesus Christ,
even we have believed in Jesus Christ,
that we might be justified by the faith of Christ,
and not by the works of the law:
for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.'
(Gal 2:15-16)

Hello again @TomL,

Because the contrast is between 'the works of the law' and 'the faith of Jesus Christ', in relation to justification.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

But that does nothing to interpret the genitive noun pistis

The genitive form can be either

the faith which is Christ's or the faith which is in Christ

your argument begs the question

 

[brightfame52]

Not if one believes scripture

Romans 4:1–5 (ESV) — 1 What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” 4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,

and God still saves those that believe

1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
John 20:31 (UASV) — 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Making Faith a requirement for salvation is law keeping. Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

So you will be required to have kept the whole Law for your salvation, and better have kept it perfectly !

 

[Peterlag]

Heb 12:2 indicates Jesus had Faith !

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

That He had Trust Heb 2:13

13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

Thank You

 

[Peterlag]

I didn't say anything about faith in my last response. I asked you a question that you're avoiding.

You made a nonsensical argument.

There is never any questions concerning the relationship of the Father and the Son. It is an Eternal relationship that preexisted what we know about creation. It is perfect.

Our relationship to faith isn't perfect. It must grow. The greater the faith the more accomplished.

I don't avoid questions unless I don't understand what is being asked or it's a stupid question. I'm writing about the faith of Jesus Christ and you I think is writing about your faith. Perhaps that is why we don't understand each other.

 

[Peterlag]

context and grammar decide the issue


Galatians 2:15–16 (ESV) — 15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Galatians 2:16 (LSB) — 16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
Galatians 2:15–16 (NIV) — 15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
Galatians 2:15–16 (NASB 2020) — 15 “We are Jews by nature and not sinners from the Gentiles; 16 nevertheless, knowing that a person is not justified by works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the Law; since by works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
Galatians 2:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

but no matter which translation employed one cannot escape the fact one must believe in Christ to be justified

I believe we are justified by the work of Jesus Christ because of his faith.
You believe we are justified because of our work because of our faith.

 

[TomL]

I believe we are justified by the work of Jesus Christ because of his faith.
You believe we are justified because of our work because of our faith.

You may believe whatever you like, but that is not proof the genitive form of pistis should be interpreted the faith of Christ rather than faith in Christ

 

[Peterlag]

Hi @Peterlag & @TomL,

Looking at the wording of Galatians 2:16, a contrast is being made between the work of Christ, which was a work of faith, with the works of the law by which no man shall be justified. I had not seen that before, so I thank you.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Is it we are justified by the work of Jesus Christ because of his faith?
Or is it we believe we are justified by our believing?

 

[Peterlag]

Romans 3:22
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ...

Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ...

Galatians 3:22
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ...

Philippians 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ...

Hello @civic & @Peterlag,

I do not think that the verses quoted above are a bad translation, and to limit the wording to, 'faith in Christ', is to lose a wealth of meaning which the use of the words, 'by faith of Jesus Christ' provide. Look at the words of Galatians 2:16, which makes a distinction between believing in Jesus Christ, and the faith of Jesus Christ. We are saved by His act of faith in dying in our place, surely: and by believing in Him we are not only acknowledging His person, as the Son of God, but His work, as being all sufficient for the salvation of our souls in the sight of God the Father.

'Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law,
but by the faith of Jesus Christ,
even we have believed in Jesus Christ,
that we might be justified by the faith of Christ,
and not by the works of the law:
for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.'
(Gal 2:16)

Please consider.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Thank You

 

[TomL]

Is it we are justified by the work of Jesus Christ because of his faith?
Or is it we believe we are justified by our believing?

the latter is affirmed

Galatians 2:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

 

[TomL]

Making Faith a requirement for salvation is law keeping. Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

So you will be required to have kept the whole Law for your salvation, and better have kept it perfectly !

Actually its called believing scripture

John 3:36 (KJV 1900) — 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

 

[brightfame52]

Actually its called believing scripture

John 3:36 (KJV 1900) — 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Making Faith a requirement for salvation is law keeping. Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

So you will be required to have kept the whole Law for your salvation, and better have kept it perfectly !

 

[TomL]

Making Faith a requirement for salvation is law keeping. Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

So you will be required to have kept the whole Law for your salvation, and better have kept it perfectly !

Why do you reject scripture

2 Thessalonians 2:10 (KJV 1900) — 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

 

[brightfame52]

Is it we are justified by the work of Jesus Christ because of his faith?
Or is it we believe we are justified by our believing?

Its the former, the elect are Justified by the faithfulness/obedience of Christ Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Christs Faithfulness and Obedience are One !

 

[brightfame52]

Why do you reject scripture

2 Thessalonians 2:10 (KJV 1900) — 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Uh, I dont recall rejecting that scripture, dont start lying on me now to win a argument.