The unending requirement of faith

[brightfame52]

You failed to address this

Not if you believe scripture

Romans 4 (KJV 1900) — 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

as for

Matthew 23:23 (KJV 1900) — 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

those were four different items not three items of law otherwise you make judgment and mercy law as well

Your view here is not rational

Faith is a requirement of the Law, it ought to be done Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The word ought dei :

1. necessity in reference to what is required to attain some end
2. a necessity of law and command, of duty, equity

So you bound by the Law Pal !

 

[TomL]

Faith is a requirement of the Law, it ought to be done Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The word ought dei :

1. necessity in reference to what is required to attain some end
2. a necessity of law and command, of duty, equity

So you bound by the Law Pal !

You never deal with this fact

Matthew 23:23 (KJV 1900) — 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

those were four different items not three items of law otherwise you make judgment and mercy law as well

Your view here is not rational

 

[brightfame52]

You never deal with this fact

Matthew 23:23 (KJV 1900) — 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

those were four different items not three items of law otherwise you make judgment and mercy law as well

Your view here is not rational

Heres the fact that settles it in my mind,

Faith is a requirement of the Law, it ought to be done Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

 

[Studyman]

Not if you read and believe scripture

Romans 4:1–16 (KJV 1900) — 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Abraham believed God, we know this because he obeyed Him. This is Faith.

Heb. 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Paul is speaking to Jews here who had the Oracles of God, but didn't believe them. These Jews, Pharisees, had rejected God's Judgments and Laws, and had created their own traditions to live by. They were not "doers" of the Law, like Abraham, as Paul explains in Rom. 2, they were "hearers only".

Yet each week they would gather in their manmade synagogues, and offer to God the tithe or sin offering, as per the Law, to justify them.

No sinful flesh is justified by "works of the Law". You can't live by religious philosophies that reject God's Judgments and commandments, and then show up once a week and throw some money in the collection plate, "as per the law" and be justified.

Abraham didn't do this. God said he was a "doer" of the Laws of God, not a hearer only. He wasn't like the religious sect of this world called the "Pharisees", who would deny God, and were disobedient to Him, then offer to God a "work of the Law" as justification for their religious traditions.

Abraham won't have to say, as the religions of this world who reject God's Laws, Statutes and Judgments and create their own will say "In that day" "But Lord, Lord," We helped a poor person in your name. (work of the law) We tithed in your name. (Work of the law) We compass sea and land to make one proselyte in your name. (work of the Law)

And Jesus will not say to Abraham, " I never knew you: depart from me, ye that "work iniquity".

And "Word of God", which became flesh, told us why.

Gen. 26: 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

The deceiver would have us believe that "Yielding oneself" a servant to obey God, like Abraham, and all the examples of Faith in the Bible did, is a False gospel, an evil thing that Jesus hates.

The Jesus "of the Bible" warned us to beware and take heed of these men "who transform themselves" into apostles of Christ.

I advocate that men Seek the Kingdom of God and HIS Righteousness and stop listening to these men who refuse, reject and teach others against "the Faith of Abraham".

Seek God's Truth, not justification.

 

[civic]

Abraham believed God, we know this because he obeyed Him. This is Faith.

Heb. 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Paul is speaking to Jews here who had the Oracles of God, but didn't believe them. These Jews, Pharisees, had rejected God's Judgments and Laws, and had created their own traditions to live by. They were not "doers" of the Law, like Abraham, as Paul explains in Rom. 2, they were "hearers only".

Yet each week they would gather in their manmade synagogues, and offer to God the tithe or sin offering, as per the Law, to justify them.

No sinful flesh is justified by "works of the Law". You can't live by religious philosophies that reject God's Judgments and commandments, and then show up once a week and throw some money in the collection plate, "as per the law" and be justified.

Abraham didn't do this. God said he was a "doer" of the Laws of God, not a hearer only. He wasn't like the religious sect of this world called the "Pharisees", who would deny God, and were disobedient to Him, then offer to God a "work of the Law" as justification for their religious traditions.

Abraham won't have to say, as the religions of this world who reject God's Laws, Statutes and Judgments and create their own will say "In that day" "But Lord, Lord," We helped a poor person in your name. (work of the law) We tithed in your name. (Work of the law) We compass sea and land to make one proselyte in your name. (work of the Law)

And Jesus will not say to Abraham, " I never knew you: depart from me, ye that "work iniquity".

And "Word of God", which became flesh, told us why.

Gen. 26: 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

The deceiver would have us believe that "Yielding oneself" a servant to obey God, like Abraham, and all the examples of Faith in the Bible did, is a False gospel, an evil thing that Jesus hates.

The Jesus "of the Bible" warned us to beware and take heed of these men "who transform themselves" into apostles of Christ.

I advocate that men Seek the Kingdom of God and HIS Righteousness and stop listening to these men who refuse, reject and teach others against "the Faith of Abraham".

Seek God's Truth, not justification.

What is the kingdom of God ?

 

[Studyman]

What is the kingdom of God ?

What is Faith in God? Men who live in disobedience to Him because they don't believe Him? Or men like Abraham who lived in obedience to Him, "because" they believed Him?

 

[civic]

What is Faith in God? Men who live in disobedience to Him because they don't believe Him? Or men like Abraham who lived in obedience to Him, "because" they believed Him?

Another evasive response . You are the one who emphasized the kingdom of God as a requirement so I asked you what it is.

Nice dodge. I’ll take it as an admission you have no idea.

Next

 

[TomL]

Abraham believed God, we know this because he obeyed Him. This is Faith.

Heb. 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Paul is speaking to Jews here who had the Oracles of God, but didn't believe them. These Jews, Pharisees, had rejected God's Judgments and Laws, and had created their own traditions to live by. They were not "doers" of the Law, like Abraham, as Paul explains in Rom. 2, they were "hearers only".

Yet each week they would gather in their manmade synagogues, and offer to God the tithe or sin offering, as per the Law, to justify them.

No sinful flesh is justified by "works of the Law". You can't live by religious philosophies that reject God's Judgments and commandments, and then show up once a week and throw some money in the collection plate, "as per the law" and be justified.

Abraham didn't do this. God said he was a "doer" of the Laws of God, not a hearer only. He wasn't like the religious sect of this world called the "Pharisees", who would deny God, and were disobedient to Him, then offer to God a "work of the Law" as justification for their religious traditions.

Abraham won't have to say, as the religions of this world who reject God's Laws, Statutes and Judgments and create their own will say "In that day" "But Lord, Lord," We helped a poor person in your name. (work of the law) We tithed in your name. (Work of the law) We compass sea and land to make one proselyte in your name. (work of the Law)

And Jesus will not say to Abraham, " I never knew you: depart from me, ye that "work iniquity".

And "Word of God", which became flesh, told us why.

Gen. 26: 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

The deceiver would have us believe that "Yielding oneself" a servant to obey God, like Abraham, and all the examples of Faith in the Bible did, is a False gospel, an evil thing that Jesus hates.

The Jesus "of the Bible" warned us to beware and take heed of these men "who transform themselves" into apostles of Christ.

I advocate that men Seek the Kingdom of God and HIS Righteousness and stop listening to these men who refuse, reject and teach others against "the Faith of Abraham".

Seek God's Truth, not justification.

Did you read the comment that was a reply to?
'
It was stated

"You teach requirement salvation, or conditions, that's works/law friend"

Do you really want to argue with that poster who claimed teaching the need for faith to be saved is teaching works salvation?

 

[TomL]

Heres the fact that settles it in my mind,

Faith is a requirement of the Law, it ought to be done Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Sorry, but you appear to have reading difficulties

If faith is a matter of law, so is judgment and mercy

And that claim would be totally irrational

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry, but you appear to have reading difficulties

If faith is a matter of law, so is judgment and mercy

And that claim would be totally irrational

Heres the fact that settles it in my mind,

Faith is a requirement of the Law, it ought to be done Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

 

[Studyman]

Did you read the comment that was a reply to?
'
It was stated

"You teach requirement salvation, or conditions, that's works/law friend"

Do you really want to argue with that poster who claimed teaching the need for faith to be saved is teaching works salvation?

I am posting what is actually written. Not just a verse here or there that the "many" who "transform themselves" into apostles of Christ can twist to promote their own manmade religion.

"Did you read my response"? And if you did, why didn't you respond to it?

The GOD of the Bible teaches in the Law and Prophets, Jesus taught, Paul taught, Peter taught, the entire Bible teaches, that men are judged by their "Works". Paul teaches about the God "of Abraham and the God of Jesus" who;

Rom. 2: 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing (Works) seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but "obey" unrighteousness, (Works) indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that "doeth" (Worketh) evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that "worketh" good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Paul said;

Eph. 2: 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, "which God", (Not Civic, or Kenneth Copeland or Calvin or Wesley or the Pope) hath before ordained that we should "walk" in them. (Works)

This same God told Isaac that he and Abraham's children will be blessed, and the Jesus "of the Bible" said that Abraham's children are those who do the "Works" of Abraham. Because I "SEEK" God's Truth, I go in the Scriptures to find out what the "Works" of Abraham were, and why God said Abraham's children will be blessed. Here is what "GOD" said, (Not Civic, not Kenneth Copeland, not Wesley, not Calvin, not the Pope) but what "GOD" said, according to the Holy Scriptures.

Gen. 26: 4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

James said, 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? (God commanded him to "DO" this and Abraham obeyed) 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

I could go on and on quoting God and His Son and those they sent to teach me. "IF you continue in MY Words", "IF you Love me, keep my commandments", And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out., For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye?, But if ye had known what this meaneth, but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments, If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

The posters entire mantra, "works Salvation" is evil, or a false gospel is foolishness. And how does he come to promote such lies and falsehoods given what the Scriptures above, and many many more clearly say??

2 Peter 3 tells us why;

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they "that are unlearned and unstable" wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

These deceivers take a couple of scriptures, "If Abraham were justified by works" and "no flesh is justified by works of the Law", and choose to twist them to somehow destroy "Every" Word God said, Every Word Jesus Said, and even most of the other words Paul said, about "works" to justify a religion which Judges God as a liar and Tyrant who placed unbearable "works" on the backs of men who trusted Him.

For me, these words of Paul were like the bush that is burning but doesn't burn. What does Paul mean as he told both Jew and Gentile, "(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the "doers of the law" shall be justified?" So I studied to find out what Paul was speaking about.

Abraham was "Doer of God's Law", and he was justified. But Paul also said "For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

And I am led to the Levitical Priesthood that didn't exist in Abraham's time, as Levi wasn't even born yet. A Priesthood "LAW" that wasn't "ADDED" to His Laws, Statutes and Commandments of God Abraham obeyed, until 430 years after Abraham obeyed them. A Priesthood that was Prophesied to change "After those days" and was only to be in place "Till the SEED" spoken of to Isaac, should come. Paul speaks to this LAW in Gal. 3.

So this world's religious philosophy, that both Jesus and Paul warned us about, are promoting the same deception that the serpent convinced Eve of. That God's Word cannot be trusted and there was no condition or requirements for Eve, that she can live as she pleases, and "She shall surely not die".

So then, Abraham wasn't justified by the "works" that the Levitical Priesthood Law required for forgiveness, that HE wasn't even under, and that wasn't even "ADDED" until 430 years after Abraham obeyed God's Laws, Statutes and commandments.

A Priesthood that the Pharisees were still promoting, even after the "SEED" had come, because they didn't believe HE was the Prophesied Priest.

 

[TomL]

I am posting what is actually written. Not just a verse here or there that the "many" who "transform themselves" into apostles of Christ can twist to promote their own manmade religion.

"Did you read my response"? And if you did, why didn't you respond to it?

The GOD of the Bible teaches in the Law and Prophets, Jesus taught, Paul taught, Peter taught, the entire Bible teaches, that men are judged by their "Works". Paul teaches about the God "of Abraham and the God of Jesus" who;

Rom. 2: 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing (Works) seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but "obey" unrighteousness, (Works) indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that "doeth" (Worketh) evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that "worketh" good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Paul said;

Eph. 2: 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, "which God", (Not Civic, or Kenneth Copeland or Calvin or Wesley or the Pope) hath before ordained that we should "walk" in them. (Works)

This same God told Isaac that he and Abraham's children will be blessed, and the Jesus "of the Bible" said that Abraham's children are those who do the "Works" of Abraham. Because I "SEEK" God's Truth, I go in the Scriptures to find out what the "Works" of Abraham were, and why God said Abraham's children will be blessed. Here is what "GOD" said, (Not Civic, not Kenneth Copeland, not Wesley, not Calvin, not the Pope) but what "GOD" said, according to the Holy Scriptures.

Gen. 26: 4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

James said, 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? (God commanded him to "DO" this and Abraham obeyed) 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

I could go on and on quoting God and His Son and those they sent to teach me. "IF you continue in MY Words", "IF you Love me, keep my commandments", And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out., For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye?, But if ye had known what this meaneth, but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments, If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

The posters entire mantra, "works Salvation" is evil, or a false gospel is foolishness. And how does he come to promote such lies and falsehoods given what the Scriptures above, and many many more clearly say??

2 Peter 3 tells us why;

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they "that are unlearned and unstable" wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

These deceivers take a couple of scriptures, "If Abraham were justified by works" and "no flesh is justified by works of the Law", and choose to twist them to somehow destroy "Every" Word God said, Every Word Jesus Said, and even most of the other words Paul said, about "works" to justify a religion which Judges God as a liar and Tyrant who placed unbearable "works" on the backs of men who trusted Him.

For me, these words of Paul were like the bush that is burning but doesn't burn. What does Paul mean as he told both Jew and Gentile, "(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the "doers of the law" shall be justified?" So I studied to find out what Paul was speaking about.

Abraham was "Doer of God's Law", and he was justified. But Paul also said "For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

And I am led to the Levitical Priesthood that didn't exist in Abraham's time, as Levi wasn't even born yet. A Priesthood "LAW" that wasn't "ADDED" to His Laws, Statutes and Commandments of God Abraham obeyed, until 430 years after Abraham obeyed them. A Priesthood that was Prophesied to change "After those days" and was only to be in place "Till the SEED" spoken of to Isaac, should come. Paul speaks to this LAW in Gal. 3.

So this world's religious philosophy, that both Jesus and Paul warned us about, are promoting the same deception that the serpent convinced Eve of. That God's Word cannot be trusted and there was no condition or requirements for Eve, that she can live as she pleases, and "She shall surely not die".

So then, Abraham wasn't justified by the "works" that the Levitical Priesthood Law required for forgiveness, that HE wasn't even under, and that wasn't even "ADDED" until 430 years after Abraham obeyed God's Laws, Statutes and commandments.

A Priesthood that the Pharisees were still promoting, even after the "SEED" had come, because they didn't believe HE was the Prophesied Priest.

sorry you are off topic

Did you read the comment that was a reply to?
'
It was stated

"You teach requirement salvation, or conditions, that's works/law friend"

Do you really want to argue with that poster who claimed teaching the need for faith to be saved is teaching works salvation?

You never address that or the topic in your reply

Do you believe faith is necessary for salvation?

It is a simple question.

Can you not respond to it without taking us on a rabbit trail?

 

[civic]

sorry you are off topic

Did you read the comment that was a reply to?
'
It was stated

"You teach requirement salvation, or conditions, that's works/law friend"

Do you really want to argue with that poster who claimed teaching the need for faith to be saved is teaching works salvation?

You never address that or the topic in your reply

Do you believe faith is necessary for salvation?

It is a simple question.

Can you not respond to it without taking us on a rabbit trail?

Yes rabbit holes all over the place

 

[TomL]

Yes rabbit holes all over the place

I guess his has an agenda he wants to insert into my discussion with brightfame 52

 

[Studyman]

sorry you are off topic

Did you read the comment that was a reply to?
'
It was stated

"You teach requirement salvation, or conditions, that's works/law friend"

Do you really want to argue with that poster who claimed teaching the need for faith to be saved is teaching works salvation?

You never address that or the topic in your reply

That is all I addressed. You and Kenneth Copeland, Arminius, Calvin, Wesley and Civic and Benny Hinn, and "MANY", "who come in Christ's Name" all promote a very seductive religious philosophy that you call "No Works Salvation". In this seductive religion Neither God, nor Paul who teaches both Jew and Gentile to "Yield ourselves" servants to obey God, nor His Son, the Jesus "of the Bible", nor the Prophets and Disciples this same God sent to us, promote such a religion in which there is nothing required by God for Salvation.

Because I believe in the Words of the Lord's Christ, I posted just a few of them which exposes the false gospel you promote called "No works Salvation" in the hopes that others who might be seeking God's Truth might also consider.

The prince of this world teaches "No requirement Salvation", called "come as you are" and many other slogans and bumper stickers. But I posted the Words of the Christ Himself, just a few of them, which expose this seductive, and popular falsehood. There are so many of His Words that expose this false gospel, it would take all day just to post them all. And the ones I did post, you completely ignored, and refused to even acknowledge them. This is because your mission is to promote the "No works Salvation" gospel despite what the Jesus "of the Bible" actually teaches. I will post more for those reading along as you have convinced me you will not be persuaded by the Words of the Jesus "of the Bible", even though HE was Raised from the dead.

Matt. 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not "live by" bread alone, but by "every word" that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. (Requirement)

17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. (Requirement)

Luke 13: 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. (Requirement)

John 3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. (Requirement)

Matt. 5: 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (Requirement)

I could go on and on with Paul's words, and Peter's as well, but as the Jesus "of the Bible" Himself said, "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Do you believe faith is necessary for salvation?

Faith without works is dead, according to the Holy Scriptures. The "No works Salvation" you and Kenneth Copeland and Civic all promote, is therefore a "Death Faith" salvation.

I don't believe dead faith is necessary for salvation. I believe the requirement God placed on Salvation is the Faith which was in the Jesus "of the Bible". The Faith Abraham exhibited, and Caleb, and David, and Meshak, and Zacharias and Simeon and Paul.

As Paul also teaches both Jew and Gentile.

Acts 26: 19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I "was not disobedient" unto the heavenly vision ( Faith of Jesus and Abraham)

20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Like the Jesus "of the Bible", Paul didn't promote your "No works salvation" either.

It is a simple question.

Can you not respond to it without taking us on a rabbit trail?

It is a simple question, and I answered it in detail along with whose Words persuaded me.

As Paul teaches about the God "of the Bible";

Rom. 2: 6 Who will render to "every man" according to "his deeds":

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing "seek for" glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon "every soul of man" that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to "every man" that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Like the Jesus of the Bible said Tom, "IF" you are a "Doer" of My Sayings, your house with stand. "IF" you are not, your house will fall.

Perhaps you might start considering, "What if Jesus and the holy scriptures are telling the truth, and it's the "many" who call Him Lord, Lord promoting a "no works salvation" that is wrong?

 

[civic]

That is all I addressed. You and Kenneth Copeland, Arminius, Calvin, Wesley and Civic and Benny Hinn, and "MANY", "who come in Christ's Name" all promote a very seductive religious philosophy that you call "No Works Salvation". In this seductive religion Neither God, nor Paul who teaches both Jew and Gentile to "Yield ourselves" servants to obey God, nor His Son, the Jesus "of the Bible", nor the Prophets and Disciples this same God sent to us, promote such a religion in which there is nothing required by God for Salvation.

Because I believe in the Words of the Lord's Christ, I posted just a few of them which exposes the false gospel you promote called "No works Salvation" in the hopes that others who might be seeking God's Truth might also consider.

the Jesus "of the Bible", nor the Prophets and Disciples this same God sent to us, promote such a religion in which there is nothing required by God for Salvation

You and Kenneth Copeland, Arminius, Calvin, Pope, Charles Taze Russel, Joseph Smith, Mary Bake Eddy, Benny Hinn, and "MANY", "who come in Christ's Name" all promote a very seductive religious philosophy that you call "Works Salvation". In this seductive religion Neither God, nor Paul who teaches both Jew and Gentile to "Yield ourselves" servants to obey God, nor His Son, the Jesus "of the Bible",

You teach the same heresies as the false teachers Jesus and Paul condemned known as the hypocrites- the Pharisees and Judaizers.

Because I believe in the Words of the Lord's Christ, I posted just a few of them which exposes the false gospel you promote called " works Salvation" in the hopes that others who might be seeking God's Truth might also consider.

hope this helps !!!

 

[brightfame52]

@TomL

"You teach requirement salvation, or conditions, that's works/law friend"

You as well,so its the Pot calling the Kettle Black. You teach mans faith is a requirement or condition for ones salvation, thats works/law friend !

 

[Studyman]

You and Kenneth Copeland, Arminius, Calvin, Pope, Charles Taze Russel, Joseph Smith, Mary Bake Eddy, Benny Hinn, and "MANY", "who come in Christ's Name" all promote a very seductive religious philosophy that you call "Works Salvation". In this seductive religion Neither God, nor Paul who teaches both Jew and Gentile to "Yield ourselves" servants to obey God, nor His Son, the Jesus "of the Bible",

You teach the same heresies as the false teachers Jesus and Paul condemned known as the hypocrites- the Pharisees and Judaizers.

Because I believe in the Words of the Lord's Christ, I posted just a few of them which exposes the false gospel you promote called " works Salvation" in the hopes that others who might be seeking God's Truth might also consider.

hope this helps !!!

The difference between my post and yours, is that I posted the Words of the Jesus "of the Bible", and His Disciples, as they teach the requirements God places on His Salvation.

While your post is nothing more than sour grapes and childlike insults designed to steer men away from the Word's of the Jesus "of the Bible" that I posted.

It is the Jesus "of the Bible", and Paul and the Law and Prophets that promote "works" necessary for Salvation. You condemn me because I believe their words, just as the mainstream preachers of Paul's Time, who also "professed to know God", condemned Paul for believing the same Words.

If you believed in the Jesus "of the bible", you wouldn't be preaching to others that God requires nothing from them for His Salvation. And you wouldn't condemn me, or others who believe Him.

 

[synergy]

@TomL



You as well,so its the Pot calling the Kettle Black. You teach mans faith is a requirement or condition for ones salvation, thats works/law friend !

You teach a faith without any good works whatsoever. That's a Dead Faith according to James.

 

[civic]

The difference between my post and yours, is that I posted the Words of the Jesus "of the Bible", and His Disciples, as they teach the requirements God places on His Salvation.

While your post is nothing more than sour grapes and childlike insults designed to steer men away from the Word's of the Jesus "of the Bible" that I posted.

It is the Jesus "of the Bible", and Paul and the Law and Prophets that promote "works" necessary for Salvation. You condemn me because I believe their words, just as the mainstream preachers of Paul's Time, who also "professed to know God", condemned Paul for believing the same Words.

If you believed in the Jesus "of the bible", you wouldn't be preaching to others that God requires nothing from them for His Salvation. And you wouldn't condemn me, or others who believe Him.

projecting again I see since all I did was quote you.

you said the following so you are being a hypocrite and at the same time condemning yourself- its the LOG in your eye and the spec in mine.

"While your post is nothing more than sour grapes and childlike insults designed to steer men away from the Word's of the Jesus "of the Bible" that I posted."