The unending requirement of faith

[TomL]

@TomL



You as well,so its the Pot calling the Kettle Black. You teach mans faith is a requirement or condition for ones salvation, thats works/law friend !

Sorry scripture does not support your opinion

John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

get a biblical theology

 

[TomL]

That is all I addressed. You and Kenneth Copeland, Arminius, Calvin, Wesley and Civic and Benny Hinn, and "MANY", "who come in Christ's Name" all promote a very seductive religious philosophy that you call "No Works Salvation". In this seductive religion Neither God, nor Paul who teaches both Jew and Gentile to "Yield ourselves" servants to obey God, nor His Son, the Jesus "of the Bible", nor the Prophets and Disciples this same God sent to us, promote such a religion in which there is nothing required by God for Salvation.

Because I believe in the Words of the Lord's Christ, I posted just a few of them which exposes the false gospel you promote called "No works Salvation" in the hopes that others who might be seeking God's Truth might also consider.

The prince of this world teaches "No requirement Salvation", called "come as you are" and many other slogans and bumper stickers. But I posted the Words of the Christ Himself, just a few of them, which expose this seductive, and popular falsehood. There are so many of His Words that expose this false gospel, it would take all day just to post them all. And the ones I did post, you completely ignored, and refused to even acknowledge them. This is because your mission is to promote the "No works Salvation" gospel despite what the Jesus "of the Bible" actually teaches. I will post more for those reading along as you have convinced me you will not be persuaded by the Words of the Jesus "of the Bible", even though HE was Raised from the dead.

Matt. 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not "live by" bread alone, but by "every word" that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. (Requirement)

17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. (Requirement)

Luke 13: 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. (Requirement)

John 3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. (Requirement)

Matt. 5: 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (Requirement)

I could go on and on with Paul's words, and Peter's as well, but as the Jesus "of the Bible" Himself said, "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.



Faith without works is dead, according to the Holy Scriptures. The "No works Salvation" you and Kenneth Copeland and Civic all promote, is therefore a "Death Faith" salvation.

I don't believe dead faith is necessary for salvation. I believe the requirement God placed on Salvation is the Faith which was in the Jesus "of the Bible". The Faith Abraham exhibited, and Caleb, and David, and Meshak, and Zacharias and Simeon and Paul.

As Paul also teaches both Jew and Gentile.

Acts 26: 19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I "was not disobedient" unto the heavenly vision ( Faith of Jesus and Abraham)

20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Like the Jesus "of the Bible", Paul didn't promote your "No works salvation" either.



It is a simple question, and I answered it in detail along with whose Words persuaded me.

As Paul teaches about the God "of the Bible";

Rom. 2: 6 Who will render to "every man" according to "his deeds":

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing "seek for" glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon "every soul of man" that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to "every man" that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Like the Jesus of the Bible said Tom, "IF" you are a "Doer" of My Sayings, your house with stand. "IF" you are not, your house will fall.

Perhaps you might start considering, "What if Jesus and the holy scriptures are telling the truth, and it's the "many" who call Him Lord, Lord promoting a "no works salvation" that is wrong?

The question was

Did you read the comment that was a reply to?
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It was stated

"You teach requirement salvation, or conditions, that's works/law friend"

Do you really want to argue with that poster who claimed teaching the need for faith to be saved is teaching works salvation?

You never address that or the topic in your reply and you do not above

It's very simple is faith a requirement for salvation?

It does not require we go down any rabbit trails

 

[brightfame52]

Strawman as neither @synergy or James teach salvation by works. It’s you like Luther who does not understand James

Anyone who teaches faith of man is a salvation requirement, teach law keeping salvation, and as Brother James says, James 2


10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry scripture does not support your opinion

John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

get a biblical theology

You teach mans faith is a requirement or condition for ones salvation, thats works/law friend !

 

[TomL]

You teach mans faith is a requirement or condition for ones salvation, thats works/law friend !

Just like scripture


John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

You should try it some time

 

[Studyman]

The question was

Did you read the comment that was a reply to?

I read, addressed and answered the question you asked.

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It was stated

"You teach requirement salvation, or conditions, that's works/law friend"

It is the Jesus, of the Bible, and the Law and Prophets, and Paul who teaches "works based Salvation". I posted The Scriptures which show this undeniable Biblical Truth, but "Many", who call Jesus Lord, Lord, don't believe the Scriptures posted.

Do you really want to argue with that poster who claimed teaching the need for faith to be saved is teaching works salvation?

Again, I post what the God inspired Words say the requirements for salvation are, I can't make you believe them.

You never address that or the topic in your reply and you do not above

I can't make you read my post or address them. I can only post them. You are free to imply in your posts that I didn't address them. I can't make you see what is front of your face.

It's very simple is faith a requirement for salvation?

Faith without "works" is dead. Dead faith is not a requirement of Salvation.

It does not require we go down any rabbit trails

Your head may be in a rabbit hole, and that is why you can't see my reply. Nevertheless, I addressed both your post, and your questions.

 

[civic]

The question was

Did you read the comment that was a reply to?
'
It was stated

"You teach requirement salvation, or conditions, that's works/law friend"

Do you really want to argue with that poster who claimed teaching the need for faith to be saved is teaching works salvation?

You never address that or the topic in your reply and you do not above

It's very simple is faith a requirement for salvation?

It does not require we go down any rabbit trails

Yes notice the dodging and burying his head on the sand with works salvation based upon obedience to the law.

 

[brightfame52]

Just like scripture


John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

You should try it some time

You teach mans faith is a requirement or condition for ones salvation, thats works/law friend ! Jn 3:14-18 doesnt say a word about faith being a requirement for salvation.

 

[TomL]

You teach mans faith is a requirement or condition for ones salvation, thats works/law friend ! Jn 3:14-18 doesnt say a word about faith being a requirement for salvation.

ust like scripture


John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

You should try it some time

 

[TomL]

Yes notice the dodging and burying his head on the sand with works salvation based upon obedience to the law.

He never answered the simple question

It's very simple is faith a requirement for salvation?

 

[brightfame52]

ust like scripture


John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

You should try it some time

You teach mans faith is a requirement or condition for ones salvation, thats works/law friend ! Jn 3:14-18 doesnt say a word about faith being a requirement for salvation.

 

[TomL]

I read, addressed and answered the question you asked.



It is the Jesus, of the Bible, and the Law and Prophets, and Paul who teaches "works based Salvation". I posted The Scriptures which show this undeniable Biblical Truth, but "Many", who call Jesus Lord, Lord, don't believe the Scriptures posted.



Again, I post what the God inspired Words say the requirements for salvation are, I can't make you believe them.



I can't make you read my post or address them. I can only post them. You are free to imply in your posts that I didn't address them. I can't make you see what is front of your face.




Faith without "works" is dead. Dead faith is not a requirement of Salvation.



Your head may be in a rabbit hole, and that is why you can't see my reply. Nevertheless, I addressed both your post, and your questions.

Again

Is faith a requirement for salvation

A simple yes or no will do

Continued dodging will not

 

[TomL]

You teach mans faith is a requirement or condition for ones salvation, thats works/law friend ! Jn 3:14-18 doesnt say a word about faith being a requirement for salvation.

Just like scripture


John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

You should try it some time

 

[brightfame52]

Just like scripture


John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

You should try it some time

You teach mans faith is a requirement or condition for ones salvation, thats works/law friend ! Jn 3:14-18 doesnt say a word about faith being a requirement for salvation.

 

[TomL]

You teach mans faith is a requirement or condition for ones salvation, thats works/law friend ! Jn 3:14-18 doesnt say a word about faith being a requirement for salvation.

again

Just like scripture


John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

You should try it some time

 

[Studyman]

The letter of the law kills which is your philosophy.

The Letter of the Law says, for instance;

Lev. 20: 10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

As any child can see here, the man that obeys God's Law concerning Adultery, is not "killed" by the letter of the Law. It is only the man who disobeys God's Law and "commits Adultery" that is killed by the Letter.

But God, in His Tender Mercy, provided a "PATH" for men to walk in, which freed men from this "letter of the law" that being dead wherein they were held. It's starts with "Repentance", a requirement, (Go and commit adultery no more) a condition required "for God's Salvation".

The Jesus, "of the Bible" confirms this with HIS OWN Words.

Luke 13: 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all "likewise perish".

Then this man "Yield's Himself to God, or as Paul also says, "Turns to God", another condition or requirement placed on Salvation from the God "of the Bible", and then Paul teaches that this man is to "Bring forth "works" worthy of repentance", which is also a condition or requirement for Salvation, according to what is actually written. The last condition, in my view, weeds out or exposes the frauds who only serve God with their lips, or as Paul also teaches in Titus 1:16, those men who "profess that they know God; but "in works" they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. I believe these things because they are actually written in Scriptures.

Acts 26: 19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I "was not disobedient" unto the heavenly vision:

20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they (Both) should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

So this "heavenly vision" that Paul is being obedient to, came to him from the Spirit of God that was "in Christ". So therefore, it is the Christ who is laying out the Conditions and requirements for both Jews and Gentiles, which are given to Him from His Father.

For those men who abide by these conditions, they are freed from the Letter of the LAW, that being dead wherein they were held. Paul also confirms this understanding.

Eph. 2: 1 And you hath he quickened, who "were dead" in trespasses and sins; 2 Wherein in time past "ye walked" according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

So now that we are free from the Law that killed us, "Thou shall surely be put to death", God prompted Paul to ask the question,

Rom. 6: 15 What then? shall we sin, (Commit adultery) because we are not under the law, (Dead in trespasses and sins) but under grace? (Alive because we repented and turned to God) God forbid. (That means no Civic, we shall not commit adultery, just because we are alive and not dead.) But why not? Paul also explains this.

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, "his servants ye are" to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, (Still) or of obedience unto righteousness? (Still)

The deceiver, and the frauds who only serve God with their lips, would have us believe God Law "Only brings death". But the Holy Scriptures teach that obedience to God's Laws brings Righteousness, as it did for Jesus and Abraham and Zacharias, and Shadrack and EVERY Example of Faith in the Scriptures. This too is confirmed by other Scriptures.

Rom. 8: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. The same Spirit that gave Paul his Heavenly Vision concerning the conditions and requirements God places on both Jews and Gentiles for Salvation.

You can confirm these things, as they are in your own Bible. Truly, “The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life”

 

[Studyman]

He never answered the simple question

It's very simple is faith a requirement for salvation?

I answered your question, "Faith without works is dead". God doesn't require Dead faith, but True Faith like that of Abraham.

 

[Studyman]

Again

Is faith a requirement for salvation

As I already pointed out to you several times, Faith without repentance is dead. Faith without turning to God is dead. Faith without bringing forth works worthy of repentance is dead.

So the faith you and civic promote is not required by God for salvation. The Faith of Abraham is a requirement for Salvation.

A simple yes or no will do

No, it won't, because dead faith and living faith are two different things. One is a faith without works, like a "No Works Salvation", and this faith in not required. But living faith is a Faith of Works, like the Faith of Abraham, which is a requirement for Salvation.

 

[brightfame52]

again

Just like scripture


John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

You should try it some time

You teach mans faith is a requirement or condition for ones salvation, thats works/law friend ! Jn 3:14-18 doesn't say a word about faith being a requirement for salvation.

 

[synergy]

You teach mans faith is a requirement or condition for ones salvation, thats works/law friend ! Jn 3:14-18 doesn't say a word about faith being a requirement for salvation.

James teaches that good works is a requirement for justification. Read James 2:24:

24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

And while you're at it, have a look at James 2:26 that declares that Faith without good works is dead.

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

All your complaints and grievances against James can be registered at your nearest Church. I would highly advise against doing that. You should just believe James.

As for John 3:14, you are told to "lift up" Jesus. That is anl vital act towards our salvation.

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,