amazing grace
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So you admit - Trinitarians don't believe Jesus was an actual human being 'made just like his brothers'.
At least you're honest.
The Trinity study ,plural references to God in the Old Testament:Plural nouns, pronouns, verbs, adverbs
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At least you're honest.
FreeInChrist
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Have you redacted that from your bible yet? Be sure to do so , lest any one read your bible and be persuaded otherwise.
Paul stated jesus was that very Rock, that he was in the exodus with Israel as their Yahweh
Jesus was and is very God very man, fully human, but without our sin natures
Runningman
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Spiritual rocks, spiritual drinks, spiritual things relate to religion; prophecy in this case. As I said, flip back to the Old Testament, there is no one there who is identified as Jesus under any name or title.
amazing grace
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Jesus was a human being, a man accredited by God.
Correct, Jesus, like Adam, did not have a sin nature.
Whereas Adam fell through disobedience, Jesus remained sinless through obedience.
Of course not named jesus, as that was the birth name when he incarnated as a man, but he was in the OT before that as Angel of the Lord
Runningman
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Oh ok, thanks for sharing your beliefs, but I'll just stick with the Bible. Thanks anyway.
Jesus was an actual human being, His 100% flesh died but not His divine nature, the Word.
Runningman
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Who or what is your sin sacrifice if only inert flesh died?
amazing grace
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What John 1:1c? There's no need to redact that section of scripture when one reads it as it should be read so I can't redact something that isn't there in the first place.
amazing grace
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So --- an empty piece of flesh is your savior?
Runningman
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Yeah that's what it has to be in trinitarianism because God can't die. That's a tough one for them. I haven't ever seen any of them make sense out of Jesus' sacrifice.
The ultimate blood Jesus shed, as sin sacrifice, will cleanse our conscience from our dead works.
Heb 9:12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
Heb 9:13 For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh,
Heb 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
No, the belief of "Jesus died for us," through faith and by God's grace saved us. (John 3:16)
amazing grace
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(John 3:16) God GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON does not read 'God gave Himself'.
The 100% man, the human being died for us...... (Romans 5:8) but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. .....whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith..... (Romans 3:25)
If he didn't die - if no blood was shed - we have no savior.
Yes, we are saved by God's grace through faith (Eph. 2:6,8).
Runningman
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Yes and I am fine with that, but are you fine with that? Are you admitting a sinless human, but a human nonetheless, is the sin sacrifice?
God in human flesh
Runningman
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So God died?
My belief is the Father is separate and distinct person to the Son.
If you define "God" as the personal name of the Father, you will not understand John 3:16.
Agree.
Amen.
