The Trinity lacks any Biblical support

[Runningman]

Evidence is using any data, statement, or observation that can be used to support a claim. For example, if your claim is that God is a trinity and you want to argue your claims that the Trinity is Biblical, you must provide evidence. You need to show some statements about God being three, any observations about God being three, or any data that is in lign with what your claim is.

These sorts of statements about God do not exist in the Bible. So before you start popping off a laundry list of verses about this and that, you need to start at square one. You cannot argue for the existence of something that does not have evidence.

Why is the trinity not established in the Bible?

The Bible never states God as "three persons in one being."

No verse says that "God is three in one."​

The technical terminology ("person," "essence," "substance") came later in the history of the church (e.g., at the Council of Nicaea, 325 AD).​

These key verses are interpretive, not definitive.

John 1:1 states "the Word was God," but equating "Word" with a distinct divine person involves theological assumptions.​

Matthew 28:19 says Father, Son, and Spirit but does not say they are co-equal or one God.​

Some New Testament scriptures seem to contradict Trinitarian thought.

John 17:3 - Jesus speaks of the Father as "the only true God."​

1 Corinthians 8:6 - "One God, the Father… and one Lord, Jesus Christ."​

These suggest distinction or hierarchy, not absolute equality.

The early church did not originally believe in later-defined Trinity; the teaching evolved over numerous centuries in response to debates (Arius vs. Athanasius, etc.).

There is no reference to the Trinity in the Bible, but only interpretations.​

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There aren't any clear or definitive statement of the Trinity in the Bible.​

Therefore, the doctrine of the Trinity is a faith conclusion and not a belief based on evident biblical facts.

 

[Olde Tymer]

The passage below is deliberately misquoted, watch for the revision.

● Matt 28:18-20 . .Then Jesus came to them and said: All authority in heaven and
on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,
baptizing them in the names of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am
with you always, to the very end of the age.

"names" is plural in the revision whereas in the actual text it's singular; which tells
me the name we should be looking for is a corporate identity rather than individual
identities for each person listed in the baptism ritual.

The conventional identity relative to the unification of the Father, Son, and Holy
Spirit is trinity. That's a man-made tag but does a pretty good job of telling
observers that Christianity's supreme being wears more than one hat; so to speak.
_

 

[Runningman]

The passage below is deliberately misquoted, watch for the revision.

● Matt 28:18-20 . .Then Jesus came to them and said: All authority in heaven and
on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,
baptizing them in the names of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am
with you always, to the very end of the age.

"names" is plural in the revision whereas in the actual text it's singular; which tells
me the name we should be looking for is a corporate identity rather than individual
identities for each person listed in the baptism ritual.

The conventional identity relative to the unification of the Father, Son, and Holy
Spirit is trinity. That's a man-made tag but does a pretty good job of telling
observers that Christianity's supreme being wears more than one hat; so to speak.
_

You're making a theological assumption here. Matthew 28:19 says Father, Son, and Spirit but does not say they are co-equal or one God.

 

[Fred]

You're making a theological assumption here. Matthew 28:19 says Father, Son, and Spirit but does not say they are co-equal or one God.

Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT): Mt. 28:19 combines the name of the Father and Son and Holy Ghost. Only through this link with the name of Son and Holy Ghost does the name of the Father acquire its fulness. The common name also expresses the unity of being (5:274, onoma, H. Bietenhard).

 

[Runningman]

Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT): Mt. 28:19 combines the name of the Father and Son and Holy Ghost. Only through this link with the name of Son and Holy Ghost does the name of the Father acquire its fulness. The common name also expresses the unity of being (5:274, onoma, H. Bietenhard).

I have no doubt theologians have decided to combine those words into names and claim they are three persons in an alleged godhead, but the Bible does not do that.

 

[Fred]

I have no doubt theologians have decided to combine those words into names

'Name' is singular in Matthew 28:19.

 

[Runningman]

'Name' is singular in Matthew 28:19.

And? God's name is not "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."

Exodus 3
14God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
15God also told Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.

 

[Fred]

And? God's name is not "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."

Matthew 28:19 teaches otherwise.

The singular "Name" encompasses all Three.

 

[Runningman]

Matthew 28:19 teaches otherwise.

The singular "Name" encompasses all Three.

It teaches no such thing as God's name being "Father, Son, Holy Spirit" and that contradicts the way God commanded His name be remembered forever. Your trinitarian constituents are miles ahead of you on this point. "In the name of" means by the authority of and it has no reference to a trinity.

 

[Fred]

It teaches no such thing as God's name being "Father, Son, Holy Spirit" and that contradicts the way God commanded His name be remembered forever. Your trinitarian constituents are miles ahead of you on this point. "In the name of" means by the authority of and it has no reference to a trinity.

Name is singular and it encompasses all Three.

 

[Duane]

The Trinity​

The Bible clearly states that there is only one God, but it also speaks of God as three persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

God’s triune personage is commonly called the Trinity. Each person in the Trinity is distinct from the others and has a separate function. The Father formulates plans, the Son activates them, and the Holy Spirit completes them.

All three persons are entirely and concurrently God. They are not parts of one God, three separate gods, or one God in three consecutive forms. God the Father did not create Jesus as a person and the Holy Spirit as a force.

Each person possesses identical attributes and the same essence of deity. They have all existed for eternity and are coequal in power, authority, knowledge, ability, etc. We can pray to the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit.

The Father​

God the Father is a spirit who resides in heaven, a place he created for himself, his loyal angels, and us.

He designed the world along with all its inhabitants. He gave Adam and Eve, the first humans, authority over the earth and unlimited freedom to do whatever they could conceive—with one exception.

After Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, God the Father established a salvation plan for humanity and presided over its execution.

The Son​

Jesus is God the Son. He is concurrently fully human and fully divine. He was the Father’s agent at creation. He commanded the world to exist.

Jesus left heaven about twenty centuries ago to live on earth for over thirty years. While here, he revealed what the Father is like; validated, explained, and elaborated upon the Old Testament; and paid the penalty for sin through his death.

Forty days after his resurrection, Jesus ascended to heaven. He now pleads our case before the Father in the salvation process.

Someday Jesus will physically return to earth to collect his reborn believers and escort them to heaven. Then he will rule the world for 1,000 years before bringing heaven to earth.

The Holy Spirit​

God, the Holy Spirit, is distinct from the spirit that is God the Father.

The Holy Spirit does not inhabit nature—trees, rocks, animals, etc.—but he is transcendentally active everywhere. He brought order to creation and now completes the Father’s earthly initiatives.

In the salvation process, the Holy Spirit convicts us of sin and makes sure that we understand enough about God’s salvation plan to choose to be reborn spiritually. He indwells us after we make this decision, which secures our eternal life.

As we walk in harmony with God, the Holy Spirit strengthens our stamina, intensifies our noble desires, reinforces our self-discipline, and empowers us directly as needed.

He manifests in us the divine attributes that enable us to live contentedly in a troubled world. This manifestation is called the fruit of the Spirit.

The Holy Spirit illuminates the truths that apply to our lives as we study the Bible. Amid affliction, he provides guidance, direction, comfort, strength, and hope. When we cannot pray, he intercedes with God the Father on our behalf.

The Holy Spirit bestows spiritual gifts that equip us for ministry. He works through us to inform unbelievers about God’s salvation plan and to encourage other believers.

Read More About Jesus​

Jesus is unique among the founders of the other major religions. There is a plausible explanation for his virgin birth. There is ample evidence supporting his resurrection. His attributes are described throughout the Bible.

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[Runningman]

Name is singular and it encompasses all Three.

No. God's name is never said to be that anywhere in the Bible. Scripture teaches that God does have a name, yes, but it's never what you said it is. Already disproved your false doctrine in with Exodus 3:14,15. Not surprised it went in one ear and out the other.

So what's the Father's name? Please tell me you know this.

Matthew 6
9So then, this is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be Your name.

 

[Runningman]

The Trinity​

The Bible clearly states that there is only one God, but it also speaks of God as three persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

God’s triune personage is commonly called the Trinity. Each person in the Trinity is distinct from the others and has a separate function. The Father formulates plans, the Son activates them, and the Holy Spirit completes them.

All three persons are entirely and concurrently God. They are not parts of one God, three separate gods, or one God in three consecutive forms. God the Father did not create Jesus as a person and the Holy Spirit as a force.

Each person possesses identical attributes and the same essence of deity. They have all existed for eternity and are coequal in power, authority, knowledge, ability, etc. We can pray to the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit.

The Father​

God the Father is a spirit who resides in heaven, a place he created for himself, his loyal angels, and us.

He designed the world along with all its inhabitants. He gave Adam and Eve, the first humans, authority over the earth and unlimited freedom to do whatever they could conceive—with one exception.

After Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, God the Father established a salvation plan for humanity and presided over its execution.

The Son​

Jesus is God the Son. He is concurrently fully human and fully divine. He was the Father’s agent at creation. He commanded the world to exist.

Jesus left heaven about twenty centuries ago to live on earth for over thirty years. While here, he revealed what the Father is like; validated, explained, and elaborated upon the Old Testament; and paid the penalty for sin through his death.

Forty days after his resurrection, Jesus ascended to heaven. He now pleads our case before the Father in the salvation process.

Someday Jesus will physically return to earth to collect his reborn believers and escort them to heaven. Then he will rule the world for 1,000 years before bringing heaven to earth.

The Holy Spirit​

God, the Holy Spirit, is distinct from the spirit that is God the Father.

The Holy Spirit does not inhabit nature—trees, rocks, animals, etc.—but he is transcendentally active everywhere. He brought order to creation and now completes the Father’s earthly initiatives.

In the salvation process, the Holy Spirit convicts us of sin and makes sure that we understand enough about God’s salvation plan to choose to be reborn spiritually. He indwells us after we make this decision, which secures our eternal life.

As we walk in harmony with God, the Holy Spirit strengthens our stamina, intensifies our noble desires, reinforces our self-discipline, and empowers us directly as needed.

He manifests in us the divine attributes that enable us to live contentedly in a troubled world. This manifestation is called the fruit of the Spirit.

The Holy Spirit illuminates the truths that apply to our lives as we study the Bible. Amid affliction, he provides guidance, direction, comfort, strength, and hope. When we cannot pray, he intercedes with God the Father on our behalf.

The Holy Spirit bestows spiritual gifts that equip us for ministry. He works through us to inform unbelievers about God’s salvation plan and to encourage other believers.

Read More About Jesus​

Jesus is unique among the founders of the other major religions. There is a plausible explanation for his virgin birth. There is ample evidence supporting hisresurrection. His attributes are described throughout the Bible.

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Yet none of it says God is a trinity.

The Bible is about God and it isn't saying He's a trinity anywhere either explicitly or by example. Trinitarianism suffers from extreme eisegesis. Sorry, but you got bamboozled by a smooth-talking trinitarian at one time or another. They said a bunch of this and that, probably quoted some verses, and you thought you saw the light, but by example there is not one single person in the Bible who believes what you do or says the same things as you do about God.

 

[Fred]

Scripture teaches that God does have a name, yes, but it's never what you said it is.

It's what Matthew 28:19 says it is.

 

[Runningman]

It's what Matthew 28:19 says it is.

It's not what you think because no one baptized anyone in the name of the "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" in Acts or elsewhere. It's not about a literal name.

 

[Fred]

It's not what you think because no one baptized anyone in the name of the "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" in Acts or elsewhere.

They always were (cf. Matthew 28:19).

It's not about a literal name.

"The Name" is who God is (Lev. 24:11).

 

[Runningman]

They always were (cf. Matthew 28:19).



"The Name" is who God is (Lev. 24:11).

God said to remember His name as YHWH, not what you are talking about. Most scholars maintain that "In the name of..." is about in the authority of. Furthermore, your doctrine doesn't state that "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" are who God is. So there is no scriptural support for your assertions.

Exodus 3
14God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
15God also told Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.

 

[Fred]

God said to remember His name as YHWH, not what you are talking about. Most scholars maintain that "In the name of..." is about in the authority of.

The "Name" is still what He identifies as (Lev. 24:11; James 2:7).

 

[Runningman]

The "Name" is still what He identifies as (Lev. 24:11; James 2:7).

Doesn't say God's name is "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit"

 

[Fred]

Doesn't say God's name is "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit"

It teaches it. The singular 'Name' encompasses all Three.

Beautiful!