The Trinity and all of its supporting doctrines are all circular in reasoning

[JesusFan]

There is no record of Jesus and the thief going to paradise together that day. The Bible explicitly states Jesus' body and soul were in the grave. I already showed you that, but now you're saying Jesus wasn't in the grave, but rather in paradise. As Amazing Grace just said, the punctuation in the verse you're thinking of is off in most published English Bibles.

No, its correct in the greek text versions, which shows to us both were in Paradise that very day

 

[Runningman]

No, its correct in the greek text versions, which shows to us both were in Paradise that very day

There aren't commas in the Koine Greek that the bible was written in. No it's not correct to say that they went to paradise that day. Trump card: Jesus was in the grave three days and nights. Case closed.

 

[amazing grace]

There aren't commas in the Koine Greek that the bible was written in. No it's not correct to say that they went to paradise that day. Trump card: Jesus was in the grave three days and nights. Case closed.

I wanted to give a double thumbs up but couldn't!

I don't know where their critical thinking is sometimes!

 

[Doug Brents]

There aren't commas in the Koine Greek that the bible was written in. No it's not correct to say that they went to paradise that day.

Amazingly, this is most likely accurate. It could be, "I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise", but it is more likely, "I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise." But neither is definitive in the text.

Trump card: Jesus was in the grave three days and nights. Case closed.

I wanted to give a double thumbs up but couldn't!

I don't know where their critical thinking is sometimes!

Jesus' body was in the tomb, but His soul was not. Care to try again?

 

[amazing grace]

Amazingly, this is most likely accurate. It could be, "I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise", but it is more likely, "I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise." But neither is definitive in the text.

Jesus' body was in the tomb, but His soul was not. Care to try again?

Death is the cessation of all biological functions that sustain a living organism, including heartbeat, breathing, and brain activity.

Jesus died. Jesus quit breathing - all biological functions that sustained him - ceased. His body was taken off the cross and placed in a tomb for three days and three nights and God raised him from the dead. Jesus is now in his resurrected spiritual body of flesh and bone.

I described death and what it is to be dead. Being dead is the absence of life. Being dead means one is not alive. What else is there?

If you do not agree you can at least give your reasoning for your disagreement.
What do you consider death?

I am not playing games of any kind.

You are correct that there is spiritual death and there is physical death. They are different, but they have a connection. What is the connection? In both cases, the cause of death is the same. What is it?

etc., etc., etc. Round and round we go! Your question "What is death?" was answered - when you were asked the same question - you won't answer ---- yep, just a game. Or answer - What is death? What is it? I know one answer we didn't give - death is an enemy!

 

[Runningman]

Amazingly, this is most likely accurate. It could be, "I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise", but it is more likely, "I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise." But neither is definitive in the text.


Jesus' body was in the tomb, but His soul was not. Care to try again?

Says Jesus' soul was in the grave too.

Acts 2
27because You will not abandon my soul to Hades,
nor will You let Your Holy One see decay.

 

[Doug Brents]

Says Jesus' soul was in the grave too.

Acts 2
27because You will not abandon my soul to Hades,
nor will You let Your Holy One see decay.

Is Hades in the grave where Jesus' body lay?

 

[Runningman]

Is Hades in the grave where Jesus' body lay?

Depends on the context. It can either be the literal grave or Hades might be a place of torment, i.e., the rich man who was burning in hades while Lazarus was not burning in "Abraham's bosom." I also see the rich man and Lazarus story as a parable, not a literal story, but that's a different subject.

So I do not believe Jesus went to the same place as the rich man did, though I have ran into some people who do. That's why I believe that Hades in the context of Acts 2:27 is the grave or state of being dead. Keep in mind, Jesus was totally sacrificed, I don't believe just the body only was the sacrifice while the real disembodied Jesus went away somewhere else.